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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4  (Original Message)Sent: 5/11/2007 9:44 PM
Hans-

I was diagnosed with Narcolepsy today. Do you have any lifestyle change suggestions for me?
If you remember rightly, I had been having problems with daytime drowsiness for a few months. I tried explaining it away with a lot of things, but after 3 months I could not explain it away with anything anymore.
I went to my doctor after I started falling asleep while driving, and she ran some tests. It came back that I have narcolepsy.
I know you don't suggest that people take medications for more then 2 weeks, but I have to take this medication. The medication is "Provigil", and I guess I would like to learn how I could reduce the chances that it might do any damage, if it were to do me damage.
I absolutely have to take the medcation or else I can't drive anymore. I had to register my name with the Motor Vehicle Administration, and they said I can not drive if I am not taking my medication.


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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 5/12/2007 3:53 AM
Were you once diagnosed with "neurosyphilis" or something like that?  Narcolepsy seems to result from loss of certain brain cells due to "inflammation" (which occurs due to arachidonic acid metabolites).  This would explain your problem.  Obviously, if you feel you must drive a car, and this medication seems to work, then it looks like you better take it.  Some cells are not going to regenerate, no matter what your diet is.
 
Here is something you might want to take a look at:
 

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 5/12/2007 4:39 AM
I was diagnosed with neurosyphillis back in June of last year. I was asymptomatic though. When I had my Cerebral Spinal Fluid (CSF) draw my white blood cells were not elevated which my doctor said suggests that it had very recently infected my CNS. I had also had an MRI at the time and they said that there were no indications, based on what they would expect from someone with brain damage from neurosyphillis, that anything was actually wrong. They just treated me with a bunch of penicillin and then sent me on my way.

I am still following the diet, but the problem with the diet is that, like you said, it can take up to 2 years or more to ge the AA out of your cells. I am only on a year of strictly following the diet and I can not continue to live like this for another year. The fatigue is such a burden on my life that I have considered suicide.

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From: MSN Nicknamebirdmoth5Sent: 5/12/2007 12:09 PM
Jamie, my mother was narcoleptic and refused the stimulant medication.  She did alright as long as she took a nap right before she had to stay awake.  That method is very life-disrupting, but I suppose no more so than the narcolepsy itself.  It was also before medication was required to drive (30 years ago).  Once she retired, she fell into a natural sleep pattern of 2 hours asleep, 4 hours awake throughout the day and closer to 4 asleep/2 awake during the night. The biggest health problem with the medication may be that it does nothing to improve the quality of your sleep, so without naps you're going to be keeping a permanent sleep deficit.  If it were me, I'd experiment to minimize the medication and maximize the naps as much as possible.
 
She also had thyroid and perhaps other endocrine problems which I believe contributed or were related to the disruption.  Hans says he doesn't much get into hormones, so read up at http://www.raypeat.com
 
Ironically, for a medication required while driving, Provigil carries this warning:  Use caution when driving, operating machinery, or performing other hazardous activities. Provigil may affect your judgment, thinking, or motor skills. If you experience any of these effects, avoid hazardous activities.

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 5/12/2007 9:31 PM
Another thing is to see if you are having hypotensive problems that lead to the fatigue.  All you need to do is to take your blood pressure and pulse when you feel like you have a lot of energy and then again when you start to feel tired.  Let me know if that appears to be an issue.
 
The interesting question is, why did they tell you that you had neurosyphilis in the first place?  Did they find markers of "inflammation?"
 
Are you sure you are getting enough good-quality protein and overall calories?  Are you doing any strenous work or exercise?

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 5/12/2007 11:26 PM
They told me I had neurosyphillis based off of cerebral spinal fluid (CSF) examinations. I had a lumbar puncture done, and they then did an RPR on my CSF. The RPR came back positive, but they also test for other things to see how long the syphillis spirochete has been in your CNS, and the extent of inflammation.
A normal range of white blood cells in your CSF is between 0 and 5, again those are just ranges. Mine was only a 6, and my doctor had told me that that meant that it had been a very recent infection of my CNS and that it wasn't likely that any damage had been done. High white blood cells in the CNS is evidence, according to my doctor, of inflammation.

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From: MSN Nicknametaka00381Sent: 5/13/2007 4:01 AM
Given the sleep pattern you may perhaps benefit from the polyphasic sleep:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 5/13/2007 5:27 AM
According to the wikipedia.org entry:
 
QUOTE:  "Rapid Plasma Reagin (RPR) refers to a type of test that looks for specific antibodies in the blood of the patient that indicate that the organism (Treponema pallidum) that causes syphilis is present. The term "reagin" means that this test does not look for antibodies against the actual bacterium, but rather for antibodies against substances released by cells when they are damaged by T. pallidum.  UNQUOTE.
 
My guess is that these "substances" are released due to an "inflammatory" condition.  When molecules are damaged they are then attacked by macrophages, and such substances can get released.  It's not really important, so far as I can tell, whether a "germ" is really present or not - it's the "inflammatory" process that does the damage, and there are ways of dealing with this.  Unless the "germ" can actually destroy tissue quickly on its own, they are only a problem if they get introduced into parts of the body that lead to a strong inflammatory reaction, like rabies is supposed to do.  "Syphilis" seems to be very similar to "HIV/AIDS," in terms of how "modern medicine" deals with health problems.
 
I'm more concerned now with how I feel and actual symptoms, since I know how to prevent "inflammatory" problems, which make up the bulk of "diseases" in "advanced" nations.  As I said in the other post, you can have hypotensive problems, even if there is no underlying inflammatory problem, for example.  And also all kinds of problems can occur due to lack of proper protein, electrolyte mineral, B vitamin, etc., consumption.  If you were a lab rat, I could control everything and see what happens, but since you are not, I can only give you some ideas about what might be the problem.  I think a lot of "patients" go to their doctors in an almost religious ritual (not saying that you are), where they confess their health-destroying sins to the priest/doctor and ask for redemption (medication), but then they go back to doing what they used to at some point in the not-too-distant-future.  I would never say I could help someone, because of this issue, unless I was given total control, and that is just not going to happen, except for myself, and so I give advice based upon not only my examination of the evidence, but also what I've seen for myself, since I've had all kinds of afflictions and tried all kinds of diets.

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 5/13/2007 5:56 AM
You might want to take a look at this description of a patient with "neurosyphilis" and "AIDS:"
 
 
What symptoms did you have that led doctors to think you had syphilis?

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 5/13/2007 8:14 AM
why are you stuck on the neurosyphillis? Neurosyphills and syphillis are curable with a simple course of antibiotics. That was really a non issue for me. My doctor said I was aysmptomatic at the time, but they needed to give me the penicillin before I symptoms would arise.

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 5/14/2007 2:33 AM
There was nothing to make my doctor believe I had syphillis. I had a routine STD check, and my syphillis titre came back extremely high.
I had not had sex with anyone in over 10 months, so they decided to do an CSF examination.

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 5/14/2007 3:31 AM
I thought my other posts were clear, but perhaps not.  My guess is that you had damage in your brain from AA metabolites, due to some stressor - could be a "germ" that prompted an inflammatory response (if it got into some place it shouldn't be) but that's probably not relevant now, unless you go back to doing whatever it was that led to those test results in the first place.  I'm just tring to do some medical "detective work" here, and it's important to know what led you to think you were "ill," for my comprehensive approach.  A concern is that you tested "positive" on some test for markers, then were given "medicine" that did damage, if you didn't do anything to yourself that caused the damage.  At this point, I have no idea, but if given a whole lot more information, I'd certainly try to figure it out, so here are some questions:
 
1.  Did you get tests done because you thought someone you had sex with was "diseased" in some way?
 
2.  Did you take medication for psychological problems before any physical symptoms appeared?
 
3.  Did you do anything that is considered "risky" before the appearance of physical symptoms?
 
4.  Did you make any major changes (diet, drug use, etc.) right before symptoms appeared?
 
As I've said before, I can't really speak to psychological issues, except to say that I think excess AA turnover in the brain in probably the root cause of much "mental illness" these days.  And I don't know about your current lifestyle, such as what you feel that you absolutely must do (such as driving a car, getting less than 8 hours of sleep, etc.), so there's only so much I can say about these things.  Basically, since you already know quite a bit, and you are in control of your own body, it's important to try things out to see what seems to work and what does not.  For example, it might help to take a full B complex RDA each day, whereas I only take a small amount as a supplement each day.

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 5/14/2007 5:24 AM
I'll assume you are talking about the syphillis thing in your last post.

1) No, I got it done just for the sake of having it done. There were no symptoms. When the Washington D.C. Health Department called me about my syphillis diagnosis they asked me a bunch of questions about whether or not I had symptoms or primary, secondary, or tertiary syphillis. I had no indication what so ever that I might have had syphillis. I was simply being examined for syphillis as part of a routine STD screening, despite the fact that I was not sexually active.
When I told my doctor I had not been sexually active in 10 months he figured that I must have contracted it more then 10 months before then. The standard of care dictates that anyone who has had a syphillis infection for an unknown duration of time undergo a lumbar puncture. I did as I was told.

The other questions don't seem to pertain to syphillis so I will answer them based off of my narcolepsy symptoms.

2) No, I did not.
3) No, I did not.
4) My symptoms of narcolepsy first appeared after I had a severe anaphylactic reaction to penicillin back in February of this year. I was given 6 days worth of Prednislone, and Benadryl. I have not been the same since. This is the only variable that I can think of and I have talked about it at length with my doctor. In my mind there is a connection between the event that took place and my current narcolepsy symptoms, but my doctor says thats not the case.
Since the prednislone I can't sleep properly anymore, and the sleeping problems came before I was put on stimulants. I wake up in the middle of the night and can't sleep. My legs jerk in the middle of my sleep, which wakes me up. I am no longer alert at all. I constantly feel like I am going to doze off. I am just constantly drowsy and I am always trying to nap. Unfortunately, taking stimulants doesn't allow you to nap during the day.

I feel absolutely miserable being so drowsy all the time. The absolute only medication I am taking at the moment is "Provigil", the side effects are minimal and it helps me to be alert and awake during the day.
I really wish my sleep was better though, but all of the prescription medications has bad side effects and all of the OTC medications are tryptophan/melatonin related which I know is not good for you.

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 5/14/2007 5:26 AM
Birdmoth5-

Thank you for your support. I wish I could better sleep. I really do. No matter how long I sleep though I seem to need to sleep more.

I don't know how old you are, but if you can think of a college student cramming for an exam at 5 am drinking tons of coffee to stay awake that would be what I feel like. Except the difference is that I get 8 hours worth of sleep every night and I wake up drowsy.

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 5/15/2007 4:22 AM
My guess here is that you just got caught up in the "modern medicine net," and they did damage to you with their "medicines" to "kill the germs."  I still have problems from when they couldn't help me and I was not getting enough protein - as I said, in some cases, the damge cannot be reversed.  Fortunately, I was not willing to take any drugs for more than a few weeks, and always asked for the minimum prescription, so I think I avoided damage from the "medicines."
 
What is now of interest to me is what you were doing when you had the syphilis test done.  Where you doing drugs, smoking a lot of cigarettes, getting very little sleep?  In short, were you doing anything different from a what a boring, middle class, mid-west housewife would do on a typical (boring) day?  My sense is that the tests are really detecting "inflammation" or the effects of certain kinds and amounts of stressors.  There is also the possibility, though, that a lot of people would test positive.  Since large numbers of the population have not been tested for things like "HIV" and "syphilis," there is no way to know for sure at this point.

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