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From: MSN NicknameThe_Evil_Future_Mutant  (Original Message)Sent: 11/28/2007 5:39 PM
Hi Hans,
 
 
A friend of mine's daughter was just diagnosed with idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, or ITP.
 
I was struck by the similarities that it shares with omega 3 overload.
 
Here is a description of the affliction...
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What Is Idiopathic Thrombocytopenic Purpura?

Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP) is a bleeding condition in which the blood doesn’t clot as it should. This is due to a low number of blood cells called platelets (PLATE-lets).

Platelets are also called thrombocytes (THROM-bo-sites), and they’re made in your bone marrow (along with other kinds of blood cells). Platelets circulate through the blood vessels and help stop bleeding by sticking together (clotting) to seal small cuts or breaks.

Idiopathic (id-ee-o-PATH-ick) means that the cause of the disease or condition isn’t known. Thrombocytopenic (throm-bo-cy-toe-PEE-nick) means there is a lower-than-normal number of platelets in the blood. Purpura (PURR-purr-ah) are purple bruises caused by bleeding under the skin. More extensive bleeding can create a three-dimensional mass called a hematoma (he-ma-TO-ma).

People who have ITP often have purple bruises that appear on the skin or on the mucous membranes (for example, in the mouth). The bruises mean that bleeding has occurred in small blood vessels under the skin. A person who has ITP also may have bleeding that results in tiny red or purple dots on the skin. These dots, often seen on the lower legs, are called petechiae (peh-TEE-kee-ay). Petechiae may look like a rash.

People with ITP may have nosebleeds, bleeding from the gums when they have dental work done, or other bleeding that’s hard to stop. Women with ITP may have heavy menstrual bleeding.

Bleeding in the brain as a result of ITP is very rare, but can be life threatening if it occurs.

In most cases, the body’s immune system is thought to cause ITP. Normally your immune system helps your body fight off infections and diseases, but if you have ITP, your immune system attacks and destroys its own platelets—for an unknown reason.

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In her case she doesn't get the bruising that is normally associated with ITP.

I already told him about avoiding PUFAs and oxidized cholesterol, etc. but he is going to have his hands full because she is 15 or 16 years old and it's going to be tough imposing dietary restrictions on a young girl of that age.

Any tips for him outside of the dietary recommendations in the essays on the left?

 

Thanks Hans!

Will



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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 11/29/2007 12:02 AM
Well, if she eats "junk food," I'd suggest trying to get her to switch over to "healthy junk food." For example, Walmart sells a chocolate-covered marshmallow cookie that is very rich in SFAs but poor in UFAs and has no cholesterol. Basically, tell him to look for the overall fat in grams to the amount of SFAs. If the SFAs are 50% or more, it may not be too bad, especially in small amounts. Many such items have no or very little cholesterol (I'd suggest no more than 5 or 10 mg. per serving).

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From: MSN Nicknamebirdmoth5Sent: 11/29/2007 1:30 AM
Will, I recently saw a report, published as a letter to a medical journal from a doctor, that attributed a similar condition to aspartame use.  This wasn't even close to research, but he had (IIRC) 4 patients in which withdrawal of aspartame stopped the condition, and in most if not all of the cases, it came back immediately when the patient ingested aspartame again.  In a teenager the most likely sources of aspartame are diet sodas and sugarfree gum, though it's likely in any product that claims "reduced sugar" or even "no sugar added."  The effects should be fairly immediate, and it can't hurt to try.

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 11/29/2007 2:35 AM
Hans-

I have actually noticed that generic brands have higher contents of unsaturated fats then brand names. For example, I get these Fudge Grahams that I ever with skim milk at breakfast every morning. The stores out brand has 3.5 grams out of 5 grams as saturated fat. And the Brand name has 1.5 out of 6 grams as saturated fat.
The major sources of fat in the generic are palm kernel oil and eggs yolks, although it has no cholesterol. The brands major source of fat is vegetable oil, although it does not specify which kind, it says (cottonseed, soybean, and/or canola oil.)

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 11/29/2007 3:56 AM
"I have actually noticed that generic brands have higher contents of unsaturated fats then brand names"

Seems like you mean saturated rather than unsaturated here.

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From: MSN NicknameThe_Evil_Future_MutantSent: 11/29/2007 4:55 AM
Hans,
 
 
Thanks so much for all of the information.
 
I already sent him a link the group here, so I'll send him the direct link to this thread now.
 
Thanks for taking the time to respond!
 
 
Will

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From: MSN NicknameJamieDH4Sent: 11/29/2007 5:38 AM
Yes, I am not sure why I typed that. I have been typing very oddly recently.

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