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From: MSN Nicknamerensielk  in response to Message 4Sent: 12/22/2007 5:19 PM
"As in the study I cited above, it's the HCAs in conjunction with a lot of PUFAs that seem really bad, and the article Bruce cited did not control for this factor."

The studies you cited did not control carbohydrate intake. So look at the data again. You mentioned one study feeding the subjects a meal of sausage, eggs, and hash browns. Maybe that meal would be perfectly healthy if you got rid of the hash browns and cooked the meat in coconut oil rather than what ever high-PUFA vegetable oil they probably used.

You always say that we need to consider other factors in the diet, but you seem unwilling to consider the carbs (esp high glycemic carbs, like potatoes, grains, and sugar). We need to isolate carbs from fats, because it might just be that that combination that is bad. It might be more complex, like type of carbs and fats, whether they are refined, and so forth.

We can't conclude that sausage and eggs are a bad meal, when the study also included hash browns, which may have been fried in who knows what. We can only say that such a meal - as a whole - seems to be bad. You are drawing very broad conclusions that often seem unwarranted.

It's true that people are eating more PUFA vegetable oils in today's world than they did 100 years ago. It's also true they are eating more refined sugar, white flour, grains, etc. They are eating less meat, less eggs, less butter, etc. Any one of these factors could be involved, but you blame it all on meat being cooked. Where is the proof that cooked meat is bad, that isolates it from the carbohydrates, Hans?


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     re: The latest evidence against cooked meat.   MSN Nicknametaka00381  12/23/2007 1:35 AM
     re: The latest evidence against cooked meat.   MSN NicknameJamieDH4  12/23/2007 5:21 AM