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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrect  in response to Message 3Sent: 1/29/2008 10:38 PM
1. It depends on the disorder. For example, I had GI issues, which I now realize were due to fried food rich in omega 6 PUFAs. In the elderly, it seems that vitamin E is depleted due to the PUFA-rich/antioxidant-poor diet, leading to higher SOD levels. However, SOD requires a mineral cofactor (magnesium, selenium, zinc, copper, manganese), and so if you are low in a particular mineral, you can have a great deal of free radical damage in areas that use that version of SOD to control it. The buildup of plaque in arteries is due to oxidized LDL being "attacked" by macrophages. Cancer seems to be due to AA metabolites (LTB4, for example) in an "inflammatory" context, meaning that some sort of "irritation" is usually involved. And on, and on...

Now what happens if you were to eat this diet after being raised on a "healthy" 'diet? You might experience the kind of GI problems I did as a child and teen, or a rash, as examples. Over time, Mead acid will be displaced in favor of arachidonic acid. When this occurs, your body become "hyper-reactive" to irritants, and the molecules that are produced are much more powerful, and hence dangerous. This is all well established: the stressed cell releases calcium, triggering PLA2 production, and that gets the AA out of your cell, where it is made into the dangerous metabolites like PGE2 and LTB4. These molecules can clot blood, but they are just too powerful - like putting rocket fuel in your car engine (in terms of long term health effects).

2. It's not only my claim - the "experts" say this will happen on a diet like mine. The difference is that they say all kinds of horrible things will happen, such as mildly dry skin. This can occur in a real "essential fatty acid deficiency syndrome," which would occur with vitamin B6 deficiency - then, you couldn't make enough Mead acid (the real essential fatty acid, which the body makes on its own if you are healthy and on a low PUFA diet). I noticed the changes one would expect, such as easier breathing, a temporary "goat like" body odor (for me it was mild), less inflammation when I get cuts, etc. Tests could be done, but I'm not going to pay for it, because it's too obviously true. If anyone want to pay for the test, just let me know.

3. This site is free, it allows me to screen messages and delete objectionable ones, and I can do essays as well as newsgroups, so it does have some major advantages. If you know of an alternative that possesses these features and also have other ones that are very helpful, by all means tell me about it (you can post on this thread).


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     re: The sum total of everything   MSN Nicknameforsammyray  1/29/2008 10:52 PM