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Re-enactment : REEN Nov 9 "They've taken her!' RTP Reenactment
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: "They've taken her!" RTP reenactment (Update 2) Report this post Reply with quote

first of all, all praise to Karpathia that alerted us to the great news that RTP had made available online the great "Anatomia de um Mistério" Nov. 2 program on the 6 months of the McCann case!

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Parte 1

mms://195.245.168.21//rtpfiles/videos/auto/especiais/maddie_1_02112007.wmv

Parte 2

mms://195.245.168.21//rtpfiles/videos/auto/especiais/maddie_2_02112007.wmv

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Now, just to whet the appetite of our English speaking friends, here's a first couple of selected clips with no need (or only minimal) need of translation:

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"They've taken her" - Intro to "Anatomia de um Mistério"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsuGxO7PB8w

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"No comment on Murat" - extended version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRpKThIO5HA

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Cadaver dogs in action at Apt. 5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXUW45Lm1EY

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consider this as a preview �?there's A LOT more worth sharing here in the forum�?one particular bit still has me going Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked but I think I won't reveal it until tomorrow�?after my trip to the nearest Fnac to buy the Maddie 129 book of course�?/SPAN>

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: Video: "They've taken her!" RTP reenactment Report this post Reply with quote

sorry, I mixed up the cadaver dog segments; I'll put the correct one's link up shortly.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

The reconstruction that Clarence never wanted.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:09 am    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

here's the correct cadaver dogs in the apt. clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxHElSnXVoI

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plus two more:

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Martin Brunt on Murat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lVJ_6qzqvM

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Ian Woods: McCanns Did Not Call Sky News First

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: Re: Video: "They've taken her!" RTP reenactment Report this post Reply with quote

[quote="joaohonesto"]first of all, all praise to Karpathia that alerted us to the great news that RTP had made available online the great "Anatomia de um Mistério" Nov. 2 program on the 6 months of the McCann case!

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Parte 1

mms://195.245.168.21//rtpfiles/videos/auto/especiais/maddie_1_02112007.wmv

Parte 2

mms://195.245.168.21//rtpfiles/videos/auto/especiais/maddie_2_02112007.wmv

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Thank you, excellent report!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:31 am    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

Hi
I haven't watched any of them yet.

But if Clarence dosen't want us to watch, we should really make an effort.


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Thanks very much, it was so interested especially concentrating on the cadaver dogs which the British media don't seem to want to talk about. One thing I did find interesting was that in the reconstruction of Kate finding Madeleine missing Cuddlecat was on the bed and not on a high shelf and the shutters were definitely shut, strange that. Oh I wish I could speak Portuguese Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:47 am    Post subject: Re: Video: "They've taken her!" RTP reenactment Report this post Reply with quote

[quote="joaohonesto"]first of all, all praise to Karpathia that alerted us to the great news that RTP had made available online the great "Anatomia de um Mistério" Nov. 2 program on the 6 months of the McCann case!

---------------

Parte 1

mms://195.245.168.21//rtpfiles/videos/auto/especiais/maddie_1_02112007.wmv

Parte 2

mms://195.245.168.21//rtpfiles/videos/auto/especiais/maddie_2_02112007.wmv

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Now, just to whet the appetite of our English speaking friends, here's a first couple of selected clips with no need (or only minimal) need of translation:

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"They've taken her" - Intro to "Anatomia de um Mistério"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsuGxO7PB8w

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"No comment on Murat" - extended version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRpKThIO5HA

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Cadaver dogs in action at Apt. 5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXUW45Lm1EY

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consider this as a preview �?there's A LOT more worth sharing here in the forum�?one particular bit still has me going Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked but I think I won't reveal it until tomorrow�?after my trip to the nearest Fnac to buy the Maddie 129 book of course…[/quote]





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joaohonesto thanks very much for that. I have just watched part one and it is the best video footage I have seen yet. I'll have to get to bed soon but will watch the others tomorrow. Too bad I can't understand Portuguese, but as you say it is easy to follow. The first part showing beds in the apartment really brought it home to me and I just sat and cried my heart out. God I wish they would find her alive and well soon. It would break your heart.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

here's a few more excerpts from "Anatomia de um Mistério":

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Lori Campbell of the Sunday Mirror denounces Murat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI0ud541smo

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Cadaver Dogs in action in the Renault

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJhOvHNx5l4

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Murat Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yROV49WP6cI
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[quote="lunatic1"]Thanks very much, it was so interested especially concentrating on the cadaver dogs which the British media don't seem to want to talk about. One thing I did find interesting was that in the reconstruction of Kate finding Madeleine missing Cuddlecat was on the bed and not on a high shelf and the shutters were definitely shut, strange that. Oh I wish I could speak Portuguese Mad[/quote]

é como eu! but frankly I hadn't noticed where Cuddly Cat was, I haven't watched the program properly yet, so I have been looking for interesting bits to share! But I'm going to force myself to go to bed now, so goodnight all�?

�?and watch this thread tomorrow for lots more "Anatomia de um Mistério" clips!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

joaohonesto

thank you so much for this, despite not understanding Portuguese, I found this to be the most interesting ann well put together documentary on Madeleine yet. Lots of footage that I had never seen.

Can't wait to see what you have lined up for tomorrow! Wink
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joaohonesto, thank you Wink
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Thanks you very much! I've watched both parts and will watch them again tomorrow. Excellent work!
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Thanks joaohonesto - this looks like it's going to be really good, unfortunately I could only watch the first couple of minutes before getting the creeps Shocked So I will watch it in the daytime Smile
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For all the frustration I've had with some of your posts, Nicholass, I must say that you appear to be an incredibly compassionate person and I've a lot of respect for that aspect of your contributions here.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

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[quote="jellyfish"]Thanks joaohonesto - this looks like it's going to be really good, unfortunately I could only watch the first couple of minutes before getting the creeps Shocked So I will watch it in the daytime Smile[/quote]


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:25 am    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

Thankyou for posting these clips. The first part was so sad, just the thought of the children left alone in that apartment in the dark of night, heartbreaking. There is no excuse. Second clip very interesting with the dogs. Hopefully it will be shown in the UK one day.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

None of them are playing right for me Sad they keep freezing or re-loading...Im watching it on Realplayer, is there anything better I can use?
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Crikey, I wouldn't want to be left alone in that place, never mind very young children.
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Roisen, I'm a little surprised you fell for that. This is what was said by the poster below to a poor nurse who had the guts to come on here and tell the truth. Hardly compassionate.

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Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: Re: Our Feelings at Glenfield Hospital Re: Gerry McCann

[quote="RN__Sheila"]Been in the shadows here for a while but had a few glasses of cheap plonk and have finally plucked up the courage to post on here as me and a lot of my colleagues are fizzing.

Ever since Gerry McCann has come back to work it has been hellish here, 2 members of staff have had formal written warnings for absolutely nothing and I know of another 3 that have left to go to other hospitals. The reason is simple, we don't want him working here, full stop and will not be FORCED by management to eat in the same canteen as the man!!

My friend has finally cracked and phoned the News of the World and had a chat with one of the reporters there, she said he was very interested and was looking for corroboration, I expect it will be in this weeks paper.

Just thought you guys would like to know, my BF who is in Admin posts here and suggested I do the same. Not everyone at Glenfield thinks this man is a saint!!![/quote]

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And we are supposed to believe you!!! Pull the other one Rolling Eyes

If you are genuine are you not concerned that you are villifying an innocent man and if you are so annoyed maybe you should register your complaint, openly, with your employer and not come onto a forum hiding behind a mask of anonymity. A bit below the belt don't you think. Evil or Very Mad

I think I'll contact Glenfield Hospital tomorrow and make enquiries about your allegations. It works both ways. Shocked

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OMG KarmaKat. I don't know what I am more shocked by . The Nurse's post or Nicholass' reply. If the nurse's post is true (and I do believe it is, from the way it is written), then she may have lost her own job through this. Now I am all in favour of free speech, but there is no way in hell that I would jeapordise (sp) my own career and livelihood through this. Nicholass' reply is very nasty and to threaten to contact the hospital concerned to 'tittle tattle' well that says more about him than the orginal poster i.m.o.
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Interesting to see those dogs going crazy in the boot of the car.... is that the footage they showed to Kate, I wonder?


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[quote="Blunomore"]Interesting to see those dogs going crazy in the boot of the car.... is that the footage they showed to Kate, I wonder?


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No, that is a reconstruction... Kate was shown the actual footage.

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[quote="waccy"]Crikey, I wouldn't want to be left alone in that place, never mind very young children.[/quote]


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Looks a scary place in the dark right enough.

Wouldn't leave my dog on his own . What on earth were they thinking?




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[quote="Maya"][quote="Blunomore"]Interesting to see those dogs going crazy in the boot of the car.... is that the footage they showed to Kate, I wonder?


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No, that is a reconstruction... Kate was shown the actual footage.[/quote]

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wonder if the dogs went as crazy in the actual footage. if you are a perpetrator and you see such a video, it MUST rattle you!!

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wonder if the dogs went as crazy in the actual footage. if you are a perpetrator and you see such a video, it MUST rattle you!!

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Yes indeed, but not to answer any questions is not the answer to get to the bottom of it, if 'you' had nothing to do with it you would be wanting to know more than ever what on earth had happened...
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Hi! I've lloking at this thread and it seems to me that the english posters haven't realised that the clips (I only saw the cadaver dogs) are "reconstitutions" made for the TV story. Check for the word "Reconstituição" at the top left corner at the beginning. Don't get carried away, alright? The reporter could have "reconstitued" anything she wanted to...
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[quote="karmakat"]Roisen, I'm a little surprised you fell for that. This is what was said by the poster below to a poor nurse who had the guts to come on here and tell the truth. Hardly compassionate.

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Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: Re: Our Feelings at Glenfield Hospital Re: Gerry McCann

[quote="RN__Sheila"]Been in the shadows here for a while but had a few glasses of cheap plonk and have finally plucked up the courage to post on here as me and a lot of my colleagues are fizzing.

Ever since Gerry McCann has come back to work it has been hellish here, 2 members of staff have had formal written warnings for absolutely nothing and I know of another 3 that have left to go to other hospitals. The reason is simple, we don't want him working here, full stop and will not be FORCED by management to eat in the same canteen as the man!!

My friend has finally cracked and phoned the News of the World and had a chat with one of the reporters there, she said he was very interested and was looking for corroboration, I expect it will be in this weeks paper.

Just thought you guys would like to know, my BF who is in Admin posts here and suggested I do the same. Not everyone at Glenfield thinks this man is a saint!!![/quote]

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And we are supposed to believe you!!! Pull the other one Rolling Eyes

If you are genuine are you not concerned that you are villifying an innocent man and if you are so annoyed maybe you should register your complaint, openly, with your employer and not come onto a forum hiding behind a mask of anonymity. A bit below the belt don't you think. Evil or Very Mad

I think I'll contact Glenfield Hospital tomorrow and make enquiries about your allegations. It works both ways. Shocked

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Why has this thread been locked? For who's protection?
I think everyone has the right to an opinion. I've read the thread and it is very interesting.
A nurse refused to sit next to Gerry in the cantine and had to face the consequences of her actions. Of course I don't know the details but ok perhaps she thinks Gerry is guilty and in a way I can appreciate her strength of feelings because whatever anyone says gerry IS guilty, at the least indirectly, of his daughters disappearence. He didn't keep his daughter safe he is guilty of child neglect.
We should respect each others opinions, the truth will come out and until then can we not try and give each other a bit of space.
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Good - if you can get past the 'just-got-out-of director-school' camerawork at the beginning.. worth perservering.


Interesting to see:

How dark it was, if the light of May 3 is replicated.

The stated fact that Kate McCann did not contact Sky News on the night- by Sky News.

How no 'white suits' were initially used in Murat's garden.
Perhaps a 'preliminary' search?

The body language of de Sousa and Ribeiro, since we can't tell what they are saying.
de Sousa - believable, because it looks like he has a conscience. Ribereiro - shifty 'corporate man', - intensely annoyed at being questioned.
Presumably he's never had to answer questions from the the press before and doesn't like his authority to be challenged.

Murat's body language, when discussing his finances...
for the first time, I'm leaning towards trusting Lori Campbell's instincts, especially since she said that what he was saying initally didn't check out.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

Fascinating stuff! Look forward to seeing more. Martin Blunt's last phrase spoke volumes - and wasn't a reconstruction.
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I don't understand Portuguese but I'm really enjoying the programme Shocked

Thanks a lot joao for the links Wink
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[quote="bonnybraes1"]....... Martin Blunt's last phrase spoke volumes ....[/quote]

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Indeed Cool
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[quote="bb2002"]None of them are playing right for me Sad they keep freezing or re-loading...Im watching it on Realplayer, is there anything better I can use?
Thanks in advance Very Happy[/quote]

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I'm having the same programme and have now given up watching Part 2 after 10 minutes Mad Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

[quote="ShuBob"][quote="bb2002"]None of them are playing right for me Sad they keep freezing or re-loading...Im watching it on Realplayer, is there anything better I can use?
Thanks in advance Very Happy[/quote]

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I'm having the same programme and have now given up watching Part 2 after 10 minutes Mad Crying or Very sad[/quote]

Me too....any suggestions anyone?
........and I'm dying to know what was the last phrase?
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Real Player seems to be having major problems these days and there are no 'updates' to fix it.

Try using windows media player {you may need to change your program preferences to do this}.


I think this is actually quite a balanced program, and whilst it didn't change my opinion on the course of events, it did make me realise a few things about what those with opposing views are seeing.

I won't bore you will the details of distraction techniques, but we have all seen and used them in our childhoods.

Remember when you did badly on a test in school --------- and it was because the teacher was ****, or didn't like you. {and not because you didn't revise, favoring a late night horror movie instead}. Wink
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[quote="saturnus"][quote="ShuBob"][quote="bb2002"]None of them are playing right for me Sad they keep freezing or re-loading...Im watching it on Realplayer, is there anything better I can use?
Thanks in advance Very Happy[/quote]

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I'm having the same programme and have now given up watching Part 2 after 10 minutes Mad Crying or Very sad[/quote]

Me too....any suggestions anyone?
........and I'm dying to know what was the last phrase?[/quote]

I've had the same problem, and concluded that it must lie on RTP's server, something to do with streaming perhaps. But it was only temporary and it's working perfectly at the moment.

as for the "last phrase", you can hear it at the Martin Brunt youtube clip above.

here's another clip, with more coming soon

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Apt 5A Crime Scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW7F2oMsWgU

[edit: added: translation of the voiceover provided in the comments]
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[quote="Blunomore"][quote="Maya"][quote="Blunomore"]Interesting to see those dogs going crazy in the boot of the car.... is that the footage they showed to Kate, I wonder?


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[/quote]

No, that is a reconstruction... Kate was shown the actual footage.[/quote]

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wonder if the dogs went as crazy in the actual footage. if you are a perpetrator and you see such a video, it MUST rattle you!!

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[/quote]

Yeah, and the dogs names were changed to protect their identity...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:49 pm    Post subject: Report this post Reply with quote

took about two hours to download (in the background, while doing sth. else), but it's well worth your while.

good to see the area in which all this happened. we had no footage at all here in germany. even managed to understand a few words in portuguese.

good to see olegario again Embarassed

sorry to say that the couple didn't convince me of their innocence...to say the least. I hope there will soon be a big step forward.


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I thought madeleine's bed was in between the 2 cots of the twins. Also those bedclothes don't look undisturbed to me.
I am also haveing a lot of trouble with the WMV replays as I have a Mac
Any suggestions as those look really good. I persisted with part 1 until Clarrie froze on my screen and I had to switch him off.
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[quote="mickey1"]I thought madeleine's bed was in between the 2 cots of the twins. Also those bedclothes don't look undisturbed to me.

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http://tinyurl.com/yw2zbp

the Telegraph

Anatomy of a Mystery

“We are not going to comment on yet another speculative report in the Portuguese media about what happened that night,�?said Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman for the McCanns.

The documentary, which was screened on Portuguese national television last week, will be available to view in English tomorrow on the RTP website."
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After all your good work joaohonesto it's going to be available as from tomorrow ... Razz

still well done to you, and I am glad that they have done it...
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Beautiful language.. I just wish the clips had english sublitles.. I cannot understand it..
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: "They've taken her!" RTP reenactment (Update 2 Report this post Reply with quote

here's 5 more clips from "Anatomia�?:

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John Buck in Praia da Luz �?full

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F-xWr9jZ7o

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McCanns in Fátima
(with statements by Clarence Mitchell, namely confirming that Gordon Brown called Gerry during the trip)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFQPUUlU6i8

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Auntie Phil: “They tried to get Kate to confess�?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wpunYKXhc8

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Tapas Dinner on May 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoWhDYijI4s

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Clarence Mitchell: "Kate does cry" �?full

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIOQbIqzr6M
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Joahonesto, you have created a very interesting thread.
Watching those cadaver dogs really brought a lump to my throat, though.
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[quote="stumpy"][quote="mickey1"]I thought madeleine's bed was in between the 2 cots of the twins. Also those bedclothes don't look undisturbed to me.

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really? It is a reconstruction stumpy..
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[quote="SallyGardens"]Joahonesto, you have created a very interesting thread.
Watching those cadaver dogs really brought a lump to my throat, though.[/quote]

Reconstruction sally.
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[quote="Carina"][quote="SallyGardens"]Joahonesto, you have created a very interesting thread.
Watching those cadaver dogs really brought a lump to my throat, though.[/quote]

Reconstruction sally.[/quote] ---------I was addressing Joahonesto.
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[quote="joaohonesto"]here's the correct cadaver dogs in the apt. clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxHElSnXVoI

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plus two more:

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Martin Brunt on Murat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lVJ_6qzqvM

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Ian Woods: McCanns Did Not Call Sky News First

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3aOIheKXzI[/quote]

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Thank you Ian Woods, well put. Will the lie ever lay down??

Will Anjos ever admit he was wrong?
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For the benefit of Carina.
"Reconstruct"; to build AGAIN; to go over an event or situation AGAIN.
The innate inference one can draw from this word is that the said situation or event HAPPENED in the first place in order to build a RECONSTRUCTION.
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[quote="Blunomore"]Interesting to see those dogs going crazy in the boot of the car.... is that the footage they showed to Kate, I wonder?


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[/quote]


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[quote="Maya"]After all your good work joaohonesto it's going to be available as from tomorrow .. Razz

still well done to you, and I am glad that they have done it...[/quote]



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Hi Maya 'available as from tomorrow'. Could you say where and when, please.
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[quote="SallyGardens"]For the benefit of Carina.
"Reconstruct"; to build AGAIN; to go over an event or situation AGAIN.
The innate inference one can draw from this word is that the said situation or event HAPPENED in the first place in order to build a RECONSTRUCTION.[/quote]

So the abductor brought his own scary music along also?

You have to take it for what it is a creative and imaginative film, did you notice the dog in the car scratched to indicate blood , he them sniffed excitedly all over the boot (where there was no blood) until the handler indicated him back to the place he scratched before.

The dog was able to smell blood 10 minutes after the handler put it there , he also indicated with his hand where the dog should search, I wasn't very impressed by that were you?


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I know it was a reconstruction, but isn't the point of a reconstruction to make it as close as possible to whatever witness statements they have. Kate says Cuddlecat was on a shelf so why wasn't it on a shelf, why bother showing Cuddlecat at all if they did'nt believe her statement. Gerry says the shutters were open but they showed them closed and intact, again different to Gerry's statement. The bed wasn't between 2 cots, again, not what we have been told by the McCanns. It was if they were purposely discrediting Kate and Gerry's statements.
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[quote="Nicholass"][quote="Maya"]After all your good work joaohonesto it's going to be available as from tomorrow .. Razz

still well done to you, and I am glad that they have done it...[/quote]



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Hi Maya 'available as from tomorrow'. Could you say where and when, please.[/quote]

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The Daily Mail says the English language version would be available on the RTP website as of tomorrow!
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[quote="Carina"][quote="SallyGardens"]For the benefit of Carina.
"Reconstruct"; to build AGAIN; to go over an event or situation AGAIN.
The innate inference one can draw from this word is that the said situation or event HAPPENED in the first place in order to build a RECONSTRUCTION.[/quote]

So the abductor brought his own scary music along also?

You have to take it for what it is a creative and imaginative film, did you notice the dog in the car scratched to indicate blood , he them sniffed excitedly all over the boot (where there was no blood) until the handler indicated him back to the place he scratched before.

The dog was able to smell blood 10 minutes after the handler put it there , he also indicated with his hand where the dog should search, I wasn't very impressed by that were you?[/quote] ---------I would imagine you were more impressed with "Glitterman", Carina; would I be correct in that assessment?
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[quote="Carina"][quote="stumpy"][quote="mickey1"]I thought madeleine's bed was in between the 2 cots of the twins. Also those bedclothes don't look undisturbed to me.

Rolling Eyes
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really? It is a reconstruction stumpy..[/quote]

Carina, I think your last remark should have been addressed to mickey1... its actually me thats doing the eyerolling after mickey1`'s comment re the bed.,
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[quote="SallyGardens"][quote="Carina"][quote="SallyGardens"]For the benefit of Carina.
"Reconstruct"; to build AGAIN; to go over an event or situation AGAIN.
The innate inference one can draw from this word is that the said situation or event HAPPENED in the first place in order to build a RECONSTRUCTION.[/quote]

So the abductor brought his own scary music along also?

You have to take it for what it is a creative and imaginative film, did you notice the dog in the car scratched to indicate blood , he them sniffed excitedly all over the boot (where there was no blood) until the handler indicated him back to the place he scratched before.

The dog was able to smell blood 10 minutes after the handler put it there , he also indicated with his hand where the dog should search, I wasn't very impressed by that were you?[/quote] ---------I would imagine you were more impressed with "Glitterman", Carina; would I be correct in that assessment?
Laughing Laughing[/quote]

No idea what you mean.
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[quote="stumpy"][quote="Carina"][quote="stumpy"][quote="mickey1"]I thought madeleine's bed was in between the 2 cots of the twins. Also those bedclothes don't look undisturbed to me.

Rolling Eyes
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really? It is a reconstruction stumpy..[/quote]

Carina, I think your last remark should have been addressed to mickey1... its actually me thats doing the eyerolling after mickey1`'s comment re the bed.,[/quote]

excuse me. Yes for whoever thought the bed should have still been exactly as it was when Madeleine first disappeared.
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So the abductor brought his own scary music along also?

Just wanted to share this, has nothing to do with the content of the vids OP they are great, just thought this was somewhat apt. Very Happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic
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[quote="SallyGardens"][quote="Carina"][quote="SallyGardens"]For the benefit of Carina.
"Reconstruct"; to build AGAIN; to go over an event or situation AGAIN.
The innate inference one can draw from this word is that the said situation or event HAPPENED in the first place in order to build a RECONSTRUCTION.[/quote]

So the abductor brought his own scary music along also?

hahahah was half expecting Boris Karlof to jump out in front of the camera myself... very dramatic stuff indeed for a reconstruction.....
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Hey guys, referring to the first page and Riosin's comments -- I think you'll find that "Nicholass" is a female. The clue lies in thelast four letters of her name.
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[quote="marcol"]Check for the word "Reconstituição" at the top left corner at the beginning. Don't get carried away, alright? The reporter could have "reconstitued" anything she wanted to...[/quote]

marcol, you may be right of course about "The reporter could have "reconstitued" anything she wanted to", but IMO it's precisely the opposite: I'd say these reenactments are strictly based on the PJ's evidence, so much so that we can take them for official FACTS of the case. For instance, if the reencactment says blood was indeed found under a parquet tile in the apt., I'd be willing to bet it was EXACTLY where it was found.

In fact, I think the only thing missing in the program is "Made with the assistance of the PJ" in the final credits.

And, assuming it's so, did anyone notice the bit about Kate having said that she felt a very strong air draught when she opened the room's door? proof, according to her, that the window was opened? Well, I hadn't heard about that one before, and supposing no one else did either (it's impossible to be up to date with everything), isn't this part of Kate's staments to the PJ being released into the public domain? PJ playing their little media game too, perhaps?
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[quote="amplyjustified"] Murat's body language, when discussing his finances...
for the first time, I'm leaning towards trusting Lori Campbell's instincts, especially since she said that what he was saying initally didn't check out.[/quote]

I don't trust Lori Campbell's instincts at all, not one jot, zero and minus zero.

Especially not after seeing her video giving her side of it Youtube and her segment on the Portuguese TV last night. LC is a nasty attention-seeker. Take a look at the heavily supressed smile on her mug. Her moment of fame.

LC said Murat's claim to be a police translator didn't check out and not only that she said she doubted"that they would take on board just a local guy." So, did she ask the police? No. So she never found out RM had worked as paid PJ translator and was paid also by UK police to do Port-Eng translation there.

So Lori was flat wrong and failed to do her job as a REPORTER, just acted as a snitch. Plus she was p*ssed because he refused to answer to her questions when SHE treated HIM as if she was police with authority above that of a regular journalist. She wanted to know his name and he said (if I recall) Rob. "He was very vague wouldn't give me his surname" As for his job "he was very vague he said he worked for real estate." Well, Lori, guess what, he does work IN real estate. She could have asked anyone for confirmation of that. She could have looked on the internet and found out that Murat's late father late had a real estate business in Lagos (which since his death still bears his name). But no, she was looking for a nice big exclusive, LC Alerts British Police to Maddy Killer.

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[quote="stumpy"][quote="SallyGardens"][quote="Carina"][quote="SallyGardens"]For the benefit of Carina.
"Reconstruct"; to build AGAIN; to go over an event or situation AGAIN.
The innate inference one can draw from this word is that the said situation or event HAPPENED in the first place in order to build a RECONSTRUCTION.[/quote]

So the abductor brought his own scary music along also?

hahahah was half expecting Boris Karlof to jump out in front of the camera myself... very dramatic stuff indeed for a reconstruction.....[/quote] ---------Very "Crimewatch UK".....'don't have nightmares'.... Cool
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Thanks for that Payge
I read "his" post and something gave that away.
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tuliptree

LC is a woman of little consequence I think.
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No, I remember hearing about the 'draught that couldn't have been' a couple of weeks ago, at least. It was considered quite significant at the time.
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When Lori Campbell is saying why she found murat suspicious (at approximately 16'20")

Did anyone one else notice that the girl over her right shoulder looks like Amanda Knox?
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There is promised an English language version to be posted on their site - any kindly Portuguese person can point us in the right direction??

Many thanks
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