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HiDeHo Post subject: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:36 am
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May I preface that although this 'story' is pure speculation, it is arrived at using details and circumstances that have come to my attention that may or may not be proven to be true.
I have put my thoughts and theories into a story form...I would welcome any input on any portion of this story that would be impossible to have happened and remind you it is only my opinion and does not necessarily represent the truth about Maddie's disappearance....
Basically it is a compilation of what I have already posted about what I believe may have happened.
Tuesday night...K & G arrive home to children crying...they learn that MrsFenn from the apartment above was concerned and advised MW...who in turn had contacted them to return back to the apartment.
Wednesday night, they once again left the children alone...Mrs Fenn heard someone crying 'daddy, daddy daddy...' (or Maddie, Maddie Maddie)
Kate returned back to the apartment to find Maddie crying and causing a disturbance...Mrs Fenn heard loud shouting and this may have been Kate getting abnormally angry and possibly accidentally causing Maddies death. Maybe she was resentful that Gerry hadn't taken the time to watch the kids...
She was so horrified at what had happened, she was calling her name..'Maddie, Maddie, Maddie' trying to rouse her from her stillness.
Gerry arrived home and after a while everything went quiet....
G & K had to decide what to do....
Was it worth taking a chance calling the police?...If Maddie had died for any other reason than the result of violence or abuse then that may have been an option...but there were obvious signs to point to Kate being guilty of a moment of anger and they couldn't risk calling the police and Kate being arrested.
They called their best friends in the next apartment ..ROB and JT....they needed to unload the enormity of what had happened and share it with someone they trusted......Four heads were better than two...They needed ideas what to do in these circumstances...
The decision was made that it was too risky to bring in the police...not only would Kate be arrested but they would all be up for scrutiny and possible charges of negligence.
The next thing was what to do with Maddy's body...they certainly couldnt leave her in the apartment because of the twins.
They laid her under the sofa out of sight until they decided what to do.
How were they going to explain her death to everyone else at home? What were they going to tell the rest of the tapas 7?
The best they could come up with was to fake an abduction....in the meantime they would have to tell the rest of the T7 that she had died accidentally and it was in everyones best interest to stick with a story, so, although Gerry and Kate would have to stay in PdL the rest could leave and get home safely.
The next morning they refused the cleaners (for obvious reasons) and proceeded to prepare the apartment for an abduction...the chosen time was to be during their evening meal at the tapas.
Firstly they needed to clean the apartment and find a suitable place for Maddie.
Gerry's tennis bag would be the only suitable way of hiding her and moving her.
Kate sat down with Maddies lifeless body on her lap and gave her a last hug goodbye...she wasn't thinking about the cadaver scent that was now on her jeans and on her hands...which she would transfer to the keychain and her bible...and of course..cuddlecat...
She wrapped her in her favourite pink blanket that she always slept with...and they placed her in Gerry's tennis bag...
Gerry cleaned some blood behind the couch, not realising that the scent had attached itself to his shoe.
The bag containing Maddies body was taken next door to ROB and JT's apartment, out of the way of the twins once they were up in the morning running around, and left there until they could decide what to do.
Gerry went to the supermarket to pick up some cleaning materials and a bottle of New Zealand wine...they needed something to help get them through this awful situation...
On his way to the supermarket he, unknowingly, left the scent from his shoe, which would later be picked up by the sniffer dogs brought in by the PJ the following day.
He took a walk down to the beach to see if there was a suitable, temporary burial place for Maddie.
Again he left the scent from his shoes, picked up by the dogs the following day.
During the day they arranged the plan...possibly telling the rest of the tapas about maddies accidental death...Feigning an achilles heel would explain not going to play tennis, and of course would mean he wouldn't have to explain the disappearing tennis bag.....cleaning the apartment.
At some point during the day they took Maddie to a temporary resting place.
The plan for the evening was to act as normal and meet up with the rest of the tapas 9.
They would 'jemmy' the shutters to indicate it was an abduction, but they wouldn't do that until the twins were sound asleep...Gerry would come back later during the dinner.
They locked the door.
Everyone arrived at the tapas...JT maybe stayed in one of the apartments to act as a lookout while Gerry fixed the shutters.....maybe she didn't want to leave her children alone....
Once Gerry and Kate arrived at the tapas, Gerry gave everyone the 'heads up' about what was going to be happening and after 10 mins he returned to the apartment to fix the shutters...by this time the twins should have been deeply asleep (sedatives?)
He met Jes Wilkins on the way....They talked about daughters, fathers, families. Gerry was relaxed and friendly. They discussed the babysitting dilemmas at the resort and Gerry said that he and Kate would have stayed in too, if they had not been on holiday in a group.*
Whether Gerry tried the shutters or not...he arrived back at the tapas bar at 9.25pm and asked ROB to go try and 'jemmy' the shutters as he had been held up in conversation with Jes Wilkins.
5 mins later at 9.30pm ROB left the bar to go to Apartment 5A to make sure the shutters were jemmied so that the abduction theory could be put into place.
It wasn't working...the shutters were not the kind that could be jemmied from the outside (as confirmed later by MW)...ROB and Gerry shared several text messages back and forth trying to think what to do.
Kate was back at the tapas, waiting for her cue...
She went over and over in her head that it was going to be about an abduction...She was to go back to the apartment and the shutters would be jemmied so they could blame it on abduction....Gerry was on his phone and chatting with the quiz lady...but Kate knew her cue was to leave once ROB had returned.
ROB returned at 9.55pm and Kate immediately left...she had to get back to the apartment as soon as possible before anything went wrong with the plan or someone noticed the jemmied shutters...
She had to have been scared that it would all go wrong and they would be found out but Gerry had assured her that as long as she remembered it was an abduction then everything would be fine...It kept going through her head...abduction...
She arrived back at the apartment and immediately cried out about the abduction...'They've taken her!..they've taken her' she screamed as she ran back to the tapas to tell everyone...That comment will make sure people know its an abduction....She told everyone that she knew it was an abduction because the shutters were jemmied...They weren't...Gerry had not had the chance to tell her that before she left.....
It was pandemonium everywhere....Everyone gathered together to help look for little Maddie...The tapas 7 knew there was no point looking...in fact DW was not as eager as others to be drawn into the lie and hesitated before finally leaving the bar.
Gerry had to make sure everyone got their story straight...They spent time in the apartment going through everything
Phone calls to the family so that everyone 'knew' what happened and most importantly a call to Sky news at 10.10pm...once they had the story as abduction it would stop anyone questioning the truth.
Mrs Fenn offered to call the police but it was too soon...they needed more time to et everything in place....
Finally at 10.40pm the police were called....
At some pont the 'jemmied' shutters story was changed...They decided that they would have to admit to leaving the door unlocked...even though they had secured it when they left...there is no way they would leave the kids and their belongings open to the possibility of someone stealing anything...
They would just have to live with the accusations of negligence and funny looks when they used the excuse of leaving the door open in case of a possible fire...
It was better than telling the truth.... Cuddlecat was used too.....Kate mentioned it had been removed and put on a shelf...that would indicate a stranger in the room...they would suggest it was Maddies favourite thing to sleep with....and later...because JT was not at the tapas she could mention about seeing a stranger carrying what could have been Maddie...She had seen people carrying their children back from the creche at night. so she would just describe that.....Keeping it generic as they didn't want to limit the possibility of who may become the 'fall guy'...
(to be cont.....)
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bomaris Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:54 am
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Excellent construction with a great deal that is plausible in context.
Couple of points, also theoretical on the basis of this hypothesis of parental involvement:
It seems a bit weak that GMC would return knowing it was impossible to jemmy the shutters but fail to tell KMC either directly or by phone. HOwever, if he had failed because JW was sticking to him like a limpet, then maybe ROB was delegated to complete the task - but it was he who found out it was impossible to jemmy the shutters. But KMC had already been told to go off as soon as ROB returned, so she did just that before ROB could explain to GMC what had happened. KMC would have begun screaming in about a minute. There was no time really for ROB or GMC to head her off either physically or by phone, once ROB and GMC had had their chat (or maybe they couldn't because of all the people around).
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HiDeHo Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:00 am
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Posts: 357 bomaris wrote:
Excellent construction with a great deal that is plausible in context.
Couple of points, also theoretical on the basis of this hypothesis of parental involvement:
It seems a bit weak that GMC would return knowing it was impossible to jemmy the shutters but fail to tell KMC either directly or by phone. HOwever, if he had failed because JW was sticking to him like a limpet, then maybe ROB was delegated to complete the task - but it was he who found out it was impossible to jemmy the shutters. But KMC had already been told to go off as soon as ROB returned, so she did just that before ROB could explain to GMC what had happened. KMC would have begun screaming in about a minute. There was no time really for ROB or GMC to head her off either physically or by phone, once ROB and GMC had had their chat (or maybe they couldn't because of all the people around).
Well thats what I believe...Gerry couldnt do it...ROB tried but after several text messages wasn't able to complete the task...Gerry had told Kate to leave when ROB arrived back...they were so busy trying to sort out what had happened that Kate left before they told her.
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backtrack Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:49 am
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Posts: 184 Good accidental theory HiDeHo. Covers pretty much everything.
Question: What about the sedative?
Your theory also still has Kate as the accidental perp. Gerry is again the good helpful husband trying to keep himself and Kate (and the situation she finds herself in) out of trouble..but in the mean time he’s setting up a fraudulent fund. That part doesn’t fit.. Wouldn’t it have been better for them not to have drawn too much attention to themselves by laying a little lower?
I’ve always suspected Gerry as being more involved .And for some reason I suspect the PJ do too. I know they suspect him of moving the body etc…but I wonder if they have also suspected him of more. I even wonder if Kate really knows everything that took place. I don’t know why I think Gerry is so secretive and manipulative…I could be completely wrong..but I guess we’re on our way to finding out�?/DIV>
Looking at the way the PJ are handling the interviews by interviewing the friends first then their main suspects…last…let’s look at the way they interviewed Kate and Gerry when naming them arguidos. Kate was first..and Gerry last.
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HiDeHo Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:53 am
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Posts: 357 Something that has just occured to me is that IF my thoughts are correct and that Maddie was dead before they went to the tapas on 3rd...and Gerry or ROB were testing the shutters...or maybe JT was in the apartment...etc etc...then unless the major crime can be proved then how can they be charged for negligence..for that night anyway....and would they be able to prove it beyond a doubt for the other nights?
Supposing JT was in the apartment for the length of time the McCanns were at the tapas...How could they be charged for negligence?
Its very complicated isnt it?
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Kitty Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:06 am
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Posts: 20 It is a plausible scenario. However, it would mean the whole group would have to agree to neglect their children on the 3rd May so that the McCanns could pretend Madeleine was abducted. Why would they agree to do that? Also, why would Dianne Webster agree to go along with it?
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HiDeHo Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:07 am
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Posts: 357 backtrack wrote:
Good accidental theory HiDeHo. Covers pretty much everything.
Question: What about the sedative?
Your theory also still has Kate as the accidental perp. Gerry is again the good helpful husband trying to keep himself and Kate (and the situation she finds herself in) out of trouble..but in the mean time he’s setting up a fraudulent fund. That part doesn’t fit.. Wouldn’t it have been better for them not to have drawn too much attention to themselves by laying a little lower?
I’ve always suspected Gerry as being more involved .And for some reason I suspect the PJ do too. I know they suspect him of moving the body etc…but I wonder if they have also suspected him of more. I even wonder if Kate really knows everything that took place. I don’t know why I think Gerry is so secretive and manipulative…I could be completely wrong..but I guess we’re on our way to finding out�?/DIV>
Looking at the way the PJ are handling the interviews by interviewing the friends first then their main suspects…last…let’s look at the way they interviewed Kate and Gerry when naming them arguidos. Kate was first..and Gerry last.
I classify it as 'manslaughter'
I suggest that the sedatives (on the night of the 3rd at least) was used on the twins so they wouldn't wake up and see ROB or Gerry fixing the shutters..
Like you...I believe Gerry has more behind this than meets the eye, but I used Kate as the 'chosen' one for causing the death for two reasons..
1) The PJ seem to be focussing on her volatile temper...indicating she may 'lose' it very easily.
2) If 'Daddy, daddy daddy' was actually 'Maddie, Maddie Maddie' as heard by Mrs Fenn it would have been obvious if it was a man's voice...which wouldnt be saying what Mrs Fenn thought she heard (Daddy daddy etc)
I think the moment of her death would be when her name would be called out....not if Gerry arrived later....and I felt Kate was back there first on her own partly because she would probably be very resentful to be the one having to leave the bar...but also because if there were two of them I think it may have been 'stopped' before Maddie suffered.
I say again...this is ONLY my thoughts...trying to 'get into the situation' and with a little logic...but many of the things we 'know' about that night (whether true or not) do seem to fit...
I'm curious of other things that are said to have happened that I havent included...whether they 'fit' as well!
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HiDeHo Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:12 am
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Posts: 357 Kitty wrote:
It is a plausible scenario. However, it would mean the whole group would have to agree to neglect their children on the 3rd May so that the McCanns could pretend Madeleine was abducted. Why would they agree to do that? Also, why would Dianne Webster agree to go along with it?
I think as far as neglect goes they were not stopped from doing what they had done all week...
I know there were suggestions that all the children were sleeping together but I believe that may have been suggested because witnesses said the 'checks' were only to 5A...Not sure on that though
DW would have probably thought the same as others...that Maddie died accidentally and its no big deal to comment on times..maybe she told the real times...we don't know do we.
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Laffin Assasin Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:58 pm
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Laffin Assasin Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:36 pm
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annabelle Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:13 pm
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Posts: 44 Quite plausible maybe, who knows, could be close to the truth or a million miles away from it. There are 2 points I would question.
1. Why would they move the body next door before the twins were up and running around when they had a 4 year old daughter next door who would also be running around (and probably more inquisitive)? I would have thought they would have put the bag out of reach, on top of the wardrobe or somewhere.
2. As already mentioned, the shutters is a big question mark for me. Even if they hadn't had time to discuss it before Kate left the table, either Gerry or ROB could easily have ran after her with some excuse about forgetting the key or something, any excuse to say "we couldn't jemmy the shutters" and stop her blowing the whole thing. It would have been too an important thing to ignore and I really don't think it would have happened like that.
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Laffin Assasin Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:30 pm
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Location: Far side of the moon annabelle wrote:
Quite plausible maybe, who knows, could be close to the truth or a million miles away from it. There are 2 points I would question.
1. Why would they move the body next door before the twins were up and running around when they had a 4 year old daughter next door who would also be running around (and probably more inquisitive)? I would have thought they would have put the bag out of reach, on top of the wardrobe or somewhere.
2. As already mentioned, the shutters is a big question mark for me. Even if they hadn't had time to discuss it before Kate left the table, either Gerry or ROB could easily have ran after her with some excuse about forgetting the key or something, any excuse to say "we couldn't jemmy the shutters" and stop her blowing the whole thing. It would have been too an important thing to ignore and I really don't think it would have happened like that.
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Laffin Assasin Post subject: Re: What I Believe May Have Happened In STORY Form.Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:41 pm
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