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Matthew 12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust. Amen. It was no secret that Gentiles that blessed Israel would be saved. I think I have posted that Scripture. Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Isaiah 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Gentiles that blessed Israel could inherit the promises of Israel. That was no secret. However, do we come to God by the brightness of Israel's rising? No we don't. We come to God through Christ without Israel. It is because of the fall of Israel that we (gentiles that never blessed Israel) can be saved. Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now think about it. Can we bless Israel? Do we come to God through Christ.... or through Israel? Do we come to God through Israel's rising... or their fall? What do the Scriptures say? In Christ, Cindy |
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Mr Wonder. Thank you, and I will try to do a better job adhering to Colossians 4:6. In Christ, Cindy |
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Great verse. One of those which I have memorized. Well Cindy, I can't help wondering if you are of the Reformed faith. Some of what you believe comes from them, but not everything. Is that a secret, or do you feel at liberty to share your foundation? |
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"…do you feel at liberty to share your foundation?" I am more than willing to share my foundation. 1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. My foundation is the one that the Apostle Paul laid... The foundation which is Jesus Christ. I do not claim any foundation that is of an earthly denomination. I have attended many and don't hold to any. Neither do I claim the foundation that was given to Israel. Their foundation "was" (Christ on earth in His physical body) and "will be" (Christ on earth in His resurrected glorified Body) on the earth at His coming... an earthly kingdom. My foundation is in Heaven. My foundation is sitting on the right hand of His Father, My Father, on our Father’s throne. My foundation was laid by the Apostle Paul. My door of entrance into the Body of Christ was made available when the Apostle Paul began going to ALL MEN and not just to the Jew first and the Greek. Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Before Ephesians 2:13... I would have had no hope... I would have always been without Christ in the world. I have always been an alien from the commonwealth of Israel. The Israel of God, His Holy Nation... was gone before I was born. BUT NOW ... I am brought close to God by the Blood of His Son, Jesus Christ, not by Israel. I no longer need to bless Israel to be saved. Christ provided my salvation. I don't know what the reformed faith is, but I know who I am in Christ, and where to find His Word. I no longer need to search for a correct denomination that might have the truth. I have no need to study what I am not... when I know who I am in Christ. The truth is in the Word of God. I compare every teacher I listen to with the Word of God. If they are not saying what God is saying I know from God's Word that they are wrong. In Christ Cindy |
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I think you're telling me your theology is of private interpretation, and unsupported by any Christian body of believers. Is that correct? |
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No, Mr. Wonder... that is NOT what I said. 2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. What I am telling you is that I study the Word of God and let God say in His preserved Word what He said, where He said it... when He said it... and to whom He said it to! The Bible needs no interpretation. It interprets itself. I gave you a list of pastors, preachers and teachers in a post not long ago that are teaching the Grace of God and the Word of God as the Bible teaches it. Why are you trying so hard to discredit the things I have said? I have given scripture so that you can see for yourself exactly what the Word of God says. And what do you mean by "Christian Body of Believers?" I was bought with a price by God through His Son, Jesus Christ and baptized by the Spirit into the Church which is Christ's Body, which is the only true Body of Believers. You might find some of us in any denomination anywhere in the world, if they have heard the Gospel that Christ died for our sins was buried and rose again and believed. That may not be enough to qualify me as knowing anything in your eyes, but God accepts me because I believe on His Son and in His Word... not some man in a pulpit somewhere. Our teachers are important... God gave us teachers for a reason... but if you don't do the homework... a teacher is for naught. The Lord gives the understanding not man. 2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. In Christ, Cindy |
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Methodists are a "Christian body of believers".
Baptists are a "Christian body of believers".
Presbyterians are a "Christian body of believers" and so are many independent groups.
I would not include the Anglicans in that list and a bunch of others.
I don't believe the things you teach. Why would I "credit" them? |
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Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians and many others are a "Christian Body of Believers"? Are you sure? How do you know? There could be a person in any of those denominations that is saved, Just as easily there could be a person sitting in the pews that is not saved. And you are not including the ones you don't like... could there be a saved individual in any of them? When and where in the Bible did you learn that only certain denominations are Christian and believers and the others are unworthy. I can't accept that, Mr Wonder. Being in a denomination does not insure that one is saved. It sounds to me like you are placing belonging to an earthly denomination as more important that being saved into the Body of Crist. Surely that is not what you are saying? In Christ, Cindy |
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Are you sure? How do you know? They tell me. I never said being a denomination saves a person but it does mean they have a particular belief system. For example, Pentecostals believe in speaking in tongues. They may be LOST but they still believe in speaking in tongues. If they did not have that belief system, they would go elsewhere. So they ARE a body of believers. My examples were never intended to be an exhaustive list and you know it. It sounds to me like (by your last three sentences) that you are only interested in exaggeration, nitpicking, and wild speculation. |
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Cindy, you must think I became a Christian yesterday. Or that I've never read anything from the Bible but the book binding that says HOLY BIBLE Thomas Nelson. |
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It sounds to me like (by your last three sentences) that you are only interested in exaggeration, nitpicking, and wild speculation. You asked for my foundation and I gave it to you. You immediately starting looking for a way to tear it down. " think you're telling me your theology is of private interpretation, and unsupported by any Christian body of believers. Is that correct?" I further explained and you further tried to tear it down. Now you say I am only interested in exaggeration, nitpicking, and wild speculation. I will be short and to the point!!!!!!! My foundation is the resurrected Jesus Christ, The Body of Believers I belong to is His Body, the Church the Body of Christ. If that isn't good enough for you that is your problem and not mine. In Christ Cindy |
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That's fine. But all you had to say was you got it from your own Bible reading and you don't know anyone who agrees with you and that would have been sufficient. |
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To say I got it from my own Bible reading and that I don't know anyone that agrees with me would be a lie. I have confirmed everything I have learned with the Word of God. The Word of God is truth. There are many teachers that I have learned from. Also, there are upwards of twenty five to thirty and more people a day in the Grace 101 room on Paltalk and we are all in agreement. There are assemblies of people acrossed the United States that study the Word of God rightly divided. I gave you the list, yet you insist that I am making all this up. Did you listen to any of the studies from the teachers on www.trustingthelord.com ? All five of them are preachers with assemblies of people that believe the same as me. You can't make the conclusion that no one agrees with me when there is proof that there are many who are in agreement that has been offered to you and you refuse to look at it. In Christ, Cindy |
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You gave me a list? I don't recall seeing it. Will you point me to that post, please? I would be interested in reading it. |
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Well, I looked for it and I can't find it either so I will repost it. At www.trustingthelord.com you will find in the "audio library" section studies by several peachers and many studies by Jim Brackin who isn't a pastor or preacher, but and excellent teacher very well learned in Bible Study. _____________ Pastor Steve Atwood, Chattanooga TN. His website is www.understandingyourbible.com His wife, Mary Atwood, also has a section at the website for women that is very edifying for women in Bible Study. _______________ Pastor Scott Mitchell: Siguin TX. His website is http://web.mac.com/gracefamilybible He and his wife sandy along with some other people produce beautiful music, much of it is downloadable at the website for free. ________________ Brother E. C. Moore: Pensacola FL By his permission, many of his audio studies are on our website, www.trustingthelord.com He is pastor of the Berean Bible Study association. He has a bi monthly tape ministry mailed free to anyone that requests it and a 30 minute TV broadcast in our area. He invites comments and questions sent to : Brother E. C. Moore, BBSA, (Berean Bible Study Assoc.), 204 Tower Drive, Pensacola FL, 32534 ________________ Paster Jerry Lockhart: Baton Rouge LA His website is: www.graceforall.net _____________ Pastor Shaun Richard and Pastor Mark Rumfello are both from Baton Rouge, and both have studies on our website. Pastor Shaun is a young pastor just beginning his ministry and is no longer in the Baton Rouge area, but is the Pastor of his first assembly in AL but I am not sure of the exact town. He does visit us on Paltalk occasionally. I also have studies by Obed Kirkpatrick and Dave Clark, who Preach at the Baton Rouge Church as gueat speakers but they have no website I can direct you to. I alsom have audio studies sent to us from aeveral of the pastors that attended various conferences that are held through out the year... but no website for these either. Perhaps if you visit some of the websites... whether you listen to the studies or not... you will see that I am not in this ministry alone... neither did I make up anything I am saying. I find all of these teachers and Pastors to be truthful according to the word of God. I am sure there are many others on the internet that I haven't discovered yet... but I am always checking out new websites. When I find a new site I listen carefully to what they are saying. If I can confirm what they are saying with the Word of God, (notice.... I said the word of God... not my opinions) I will listen to everything I can get... if not... I don't listen to anymore of their studies. In Chirst, CIndy |
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E. C. Moore sounds vaguely familiar, somehow. |
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