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for non believers in fact rabid haters of a conception of a god, this will hold no water, or will it. for the life of me i cant figure out whether the religiously rabid or lukewarm religious manipulators are in any way different from one another both defecate on the concept of christ, both create and both adhere to whatever tidbits sanctify their positions, in short jesus is politicized, degraded, and even negated. the result has been the inch by inch paving of the antichrists road into this world, and the emergence is now upon us, the anti god way is here. there is no 666 to herald or parlor game, there is only the finality of the coming reality. i do not however despair in fact i anticipate, i look forward to this time, why might you wonder, well its really quite simple. this is the time of the end of this way of things, the times warned about, the times secretly yearned for, the time of the coming, and recoming is upon us. jerry |
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well to some you inclusive, but to a jew, no, a muslim, no, a wiccan, no, a buddist, no, a hindu, no, there are im afraid many forms of the truth. jerry |
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| | From:  rnrbill | Sent: 12/3/2008 8:46 PM |
US: The original concept of the church teaching is not to overthrow governments but Churches are ruled by MAN, not GOD and mankind has an agenda that is interpreted differently by who or which ever group is in Charge. You need look no further than the religious whackos in Christianity, Judaism., Islam or other religions that are currently and historically steeped in violence. The Jews were looking for someone to dump the Romans, a warrior king, not a Pacifist, love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek type guy. They were looking for a kick ass leader and they got Jesus. That is one of the reasons he wasn't accepted. There is even a school of thought that Judas gave Christ up not for money but becasue he was disappointed in the 'peacenik' and not getting the warrior leader many wanted and would have followed. Let us not forget that over the past 35 or so years, the attitude toward Barabas has shifted greatly. When I was a kid, Barabas, we were taught, was a thief and a murderer. Now he is a rebel leader, the one CHOSEN to be released. The people wanted someone to lead them in action. Even Dismus has been elevated to rebel, having the cloak of just being classified as a thief removed. |
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there are im afraid many forms of the truth.. Thats your opinion. The truth is Christ, the person. Nothing else. Now you may believe whomever you wish. Not my problem. I've not lied, or beat around the bush. mrbill. You get no argument from me. I agree. |
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there are im afraid many forms of the truth.. Last summer when I finally met Ed Whitten, I asked him if music had inspiration or influence in his attitude that lead to his String Theory and Super String Theory. Answer is yes. That is another story, for another time. But when other physicists began to poke some holes in the original string theory, and it appeared maybe the theory wasn't as solid, or revolutionary as thought, Whitten demonstrated that differences in observation of string resonances didn't mean the theory was dead, or flawed. He showed that the concept of strings was simply approached from several difference perspectives, and thus, all described the same phenomena, but in different ways, and from the different perspectives. The observation of differences instead of tearing the theory apart, reinforced and solidified it with greater strength, because of the changes of shape in energy string loops in resonant oscillation. That is exactly how you qualified truth in the statement above. The many forms are really of one truth, viewed from different perspectives. We have different words for them, different religions in which to have faith in what we can't see, and words fail to describe. The arrows and signs all point the same direction, from the beginning of the universe, to the cyclic end. We see only a tiny fraction. Very cool, Jerry, Malik and Bill. Very cool! |
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well pikes i like the string theory always have, we have math, finite, geometry, finite, and sound aka resonance ,infinite, interestingly kabbalah, hermeticists, astrology, buddism, hinduism, and of course christianity all are compelled by those three be it numbers, the geometry of their symbols, or the sound aka resonance of theri approaches to the truth, oh by the way for you scientists out there, that trilogy applies to your approach also. jerry |
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mr bill you have compelled me to address your kickassed king vs pacifist statement. there are 2 ways to end the way of things, war, and conversion, theses are not mutually exclusive approaches, in fact they are mans approaches and history cements that. was jesus a pacifist, i highly doubt that, he spoke or so they say of the two edged sword, i can thionk of nothing more unsettling than truth and its facets in your face, in fact it creates war within ones self. it was spoken of his return in the clouds, amid his army of angels, far fetched yes, but an army is an army. jerry |
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he also said you think i have come to bring peace, i have come to turnj son against father and father against son, funny huh how peace always is the result to conflict. jerry |
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How many Peace Collages are on the Globe? Hmmmm? Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he? And makest men as the fishes of the sea, as the creeping things, that have no ruler over them? They take up all of them with the angle, they catch them in their net, and gather them in their drag: therefore they rejoice and are glad.
Therefore they sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their drag; because by them their portion is fat, and their meat plenteous.
Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations?
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mr. bill, in fact what jesus proposed would have resulted in nothing less than violent revolution, to establish, or better stated reestablish the kingdom of god, aka throne of david would have caused instant conflict between rome and those advocating overthrowing herod and the sanhedrin, why so many people ignore that politics and religion are one and the same is beyond me. jerry |
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| | | From: rnrbill | Sent: 12/7/2008 4:45 PM |
Jerry: You can post speculation and opinion but please state that the eventuality of the Jesus movement as preached by Jesus leading to violent revolution is an opinion or post where he preached violent revolution. Ghandi fostered and led a peaceful revolution. Remember his, Jesus', Army was Not Of This World. As for politics and religion being one and the same, I never said they weren't intrically linked. The Politics of the Christian West is in Conflict with the Politics of Islamic East and has been for what seems to be forever. Each political leader has been espopusing Christian, Islamic, and in Israel, Judaic doctrine. As the saying goes more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason Herod ruled with the approval of Rome and the Jewish leaders were addressed in postm 52. |
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speculation ans opinion, well from the gentile mythos perspective i suppose you might say that, but again, and again it seems jeus was a semite, a hebrew, not a greek or a roman, and fact is the messianic concepts vary, you may as a christian expound otherwordly kindoms, but the jews knew and still know what the messianic concept means, and it will never come from a hippy or a ghandi. jerry |
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