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From: MSN Nickname۵gõđđзşş۰oƒ۵tħз۰c۵  (Original Message)Sent: 9/7/2008 7:25 AM
Pain, a simple four letter word that can cripple us with fear, anxiety, stress. On the flip side..with breathless anticipation, excitement and raw lust. I was out and about in the great ole world of online and came across a thread that had me nodding and yepping and even squirming a little in my seat. A few things come to mind for me, and i have to admit i get very confused. Having had a moment in my past where i was very much a victim, and it was a violent act, i feel somewhat dirty and ashamed for craving such things. As though saying what happened at the time was ok.
 
 Am i nuts to say that pain for me sometimes returns my equilibrium? Makes me more at ease in my skin, grounded. It is a greater release in some ways for me. The cup runneth over and needs be emptied, and for me that seems to be one of the only avenues of my psych to do so.
 
There are so many ways to experience pain. In the thread i read they referred to it as random acts of violence...with which i take issues, because with a title like that, to me it is not at all what i mean. A smack on the butt, a tightfisted hair pulling kiss, thrown down to one's knees ect... foreplay!!...lol Least to me it is, and sometimes i get the (pardon my language here) "grudgefuck" syndrome. It is not simply a sexual thing, it is an all consuming need for me and i say need because i am rather lost, unbalanced and distracted until i can work it out. It is to be pushed to the very outer edges of myself be it with pain, or brute force.
 
 I am so digressing from my original thoughts here, but will continue on further. lol Let's go where i seldom allow myself to go publicly ( swallows)
 
...its craving having fingers wrapped tightly around my throat, closing off my breath as the blackness edges in, only to find the light once more in a euphoria, the primal feeling of being used with little regards to my own feelings, its the bondage, the flogging, ect... and yet its not enough, i need more!! Which of course contradicts so much in my mind, yet i cannot help the feelings. My biggest fear would be to not know within myself how much is enough?
 
The ultimate question comes down to this...is this something you find you need, crave or want? To what degree? How does it make you feel? Or does this simply make you curl inwards and wonder at the perversity of the world?


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From: MSN Nickname◦đę√įlş◦ŵişħ�?/nobr>Sent: 9/7/2008 12:21 PM
goddess, it's always interesting to me that you and i often seem to ask the same questions lol. Not at the same time (coz that would be weird) but we seem to come from the same place as far as thought processes lol.
 
Here's something i wrote in my blog back in may this year...you're not the only one
 
i am not a painslut...by devilswish
 

Pain, just like it’s polar opposite pleasure can often be defined 50 different ways by 50 different people. What is painful for me is barely worthy of an eye twitch to someone else and vice versa. I’ve mentioned before that I struggle to accept some words that act as a label, Painslut is yet another on the list. Perhaps it’s just my over-active imagination but the word brings up this mental picture of some strung out almost coke-addict looking woman with greasy hair and lifeless eyes dangling from some very unhygienic looking shackles.

 

I am not that woman…my hair is washed regularly for starters. As an aside�?no, I have no idea why painslut and personal/equipment hygiene are so closely intertwined in my brain.

 

Even writing this, after having the thoughts bouncing around in my head all afternoon, I find myself hesitant to just write what I’m actually thinking straight out in case someone reads this and thinks less of me because of it…which in turn makes me even more determined to choke it down and prove that it doesn’t. Maybe it I start with something less confronting it will flow easier lol.

 

I like to run. I like to run quite a bit actually. Not because of the fitness aspect, but because of the feelings I can get when I do it. I’m not talking about jogging, which is a perfectly fabulous way to stay fit and look nice in tight pants. When I run I build up from a steady measured pace, eventually pushing past that point where your legs are hurting to that zone where your chest is burning for breath, your heart is racing so fast it aches and your legs don’t even feel attached to you anymore, they’re just a constant instinctive flow to the ground. I imagine its how it must feel to fly. Perhaps slightly less painful to breathe for the birds or they’d probably walk more.

 

I get the urge to run when I’m stressed, upset, angry, confused, basically whenever my thoughts and emotions are too big to contain. That’s painful, getting to that point. It hurts to push my body that hard but the reward, the euphoria that comes with it is a sensation completely unique to that experience. That pleasure that flows through you like a flower bursting from its bud is incentive enough to make the pain leading up to it and the throbbing agony when your body has lost the buzz worth it.

 

I see working pain into play or sex as another tool at my Dominant’s disposal. It can open doors that otherwise might not be opened, enhancing and drawing out sensations that can be taken to an entirely different level.

 

That first shock of sensation, the first hot stripe of a cane, burst of heat from a heavy palm, sting of teeth, scrape of fingernails or explosion of leather on my body is like flicking a switch under my skin. It grows with and winds itself tightly around the pleasure that builds inside you, taking away the sensibility of what is happening to you, with you, inside you and often leaving you suspended on pure instinct and sensation. Cumming is wonderful in itself. Mixing release with sting can be all but indescribable, almost as though your body can’t process the two sensations at once so blows a fuse or something.

 

I say sting when referring to my own experience because I think in terms of pain thresholds, mine isn’t so high. For some a light spanking is enough to get it, for others it comes from the deep throb of a soundly beaten tush. I think in the balance of pain and preference I’m probably just a little skip over on the heavier side of play.

In my experience, pleasure is not the only reason for pain play. For me, it can also be like rebooting my emotions for lack of a better description. The same yearning that urges me to run to the point of exhaustion can, has and will most certainly again prompt me to go to my Dominant and beg Him to hurt me. That may sound like a dangerous request but bear in mind I am a sensible adult most of the time and I am talking in the context of a loving and trusting relationship, not a Dial-A-Dom (not that there’s anything wrong with that). He knows what I am asking for because He knows me and is able to provide it for the same reasons.

 

There is a stillness of self, a purging of emotions which probably cannot be properly or adequately described that can happen through experiencing well applied physical pain. It is usually followed by some serious conversation because apparently I’m at my most relaxed after these sessions lol.

 

I wonder if maybe the most daunting part isn’t the pain itself but where it can take you if you’re willing to find out.

 

 

Cheers

dev xxx


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From: MSN Nicknameapache°rose°paonSent: 9/7/2008 4:13 PM
 
Dear néné
 
Are you nuts ? i don't think so... you will find people who feel best regenerated after a sauna... after listening to that special version of a Mozart's Opera... but here you will find many who enjoy "grudgefuck" (if i understood what you mean by that word lol).
i have had masochist sexual fantasies since i was a child. i soon found out that not everyone was like me and i better not flaunt it if i wanted to be accepted, but anyway sexual thoughts are rarely shared before 10yo. So this became my secret garden, in which i was having very much fun when visiting, and what bad was there in that ? i was not hurting anyone, and especially not myself since it was all in daydreaming - later i practised light self-bondage on me, but nothing actually painful. What was turning me on is the imagination of the "brute force", not the pain, and it was always connected to sexual satisfaction.
i have been blessed to grow up in a safe environnement, without any physical punishment. Although i have sometimes behaved in a self-destructive way just like any other (Scorpio) teenager, i have managed to avoid pain most of my life and been lucky that i could turn violent situations where i was the victim (or so they tought ) to my advantage.
Pain to me was a red light warning that my body was in danger, period. It was just a condition that needed to be fixed as soon as possible. If pain would continue unreasonably, it would make anger grow in me - (reasonnably would be when delivering a baby for example, but to a certain point, thanks modern medecine for the epidural on the first).

So here i am making a difference between "pain", and "brute force" - it took me many many years before i would wish to explore pain separatley from sexual stimulation, even more years than realizing the dreams of my secret garden could become a reality in a safe way.
 
your story is different. From what you write i believe your secret desires have become real in an unsafe, endangering way, and i think it is no surprise that you shy away from them. i believe if pain would have been inflicted on me before i was consenting and ready for it i would have been scared too. i am lucky that i have been found by Someone patient Who waited for me to beg for the experience.
So no, i don't think you're nuts if you have masochistic desires. Masochistic behaviours can become quickly crazy if you dont watch them closely - (like saying naw it's ok i can take it and waiting forever before to go to the doctor - or dentist) but if you are wired like i am... denying these desires and labelling them bad is simply not helping you.

 

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From: MSN Nicknameteaz2plzzzSent: 9/8/2008 3:27 AM
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"The ultimate question comes down to this...is this something you find you need, crave or want? To what degree? How does it make you feel? Or does this simply make you curl inwards and wonder at the perversity of the world?"
 
Interesting question, I dislike pain and for a long time denied my need of it and yes I said need. I craved it without even realizing what it was I wanted sometimes to a degree that makes me squirm in remembrance. For a long time I avoided participating in this lifestyle because I was afraid of pain and I surely did not understand it. I can't really claim to do so now. I know that the type of pains make a difference. Chronic pain such as the arthritis I have does not turn me on lol and unfortunately tends to inhibit my release in other types of pain but I still have the memories of it and it does fascinate me. I am also learning different techniques to control pain and that automatically raised my antenna over what other uses that information can be put to. Is it wrong to crave something you fear? To want something so much you become willing to endure to get there? I don't think it makes us wrong or sick, different maybe but I have always believed different is good.
 
 
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From: MSN NicknameşyđneySent: 10/3/2008 10:58 AM
It’s really wonderful there is a place for people to ask questions and explore feelings on shared experiences. I was reading through this thread and I was comforted by the fact, I am definitely not alone in certain thoughts I have. I am really glad you asked this question(s) goddess sis. And it was really interesting to read what dev and rose expressed on this subject.

I have felt the same way as all of you at one point or another. That is, having certain desires and feeling uncertain if those desires were ok to have and also trying to understand why I was having them. I have always seen my experience in D/s as one of conflict. Sometimes what I want or feel I “need�?is often accompanied by a certain amount of doubt or questioning. Sometimes the desires of this submissive leave her wondering if she is twisted, sick, co-dependent, needy, or simply disturbed. But I tend to be very hard on myself most of the time. However, the more I read or talk to other submissives, I realize I am not alone in the desires or needs I have. What a relief!!

As far as pain goes, I am in the same boat as all of you. I have learned there are certain things that hit the button in my mind, which allow me to go from the Beth you see every day to that secretly submissive girl who is kneeling at a Dominant’s feet begging to be taken forcefully if need be just allow me to submit!!! Pain is one of those “tools�?that has been used to help put me in that space and allow me to let go. I also love feeling a hand slip around my neck and squeeze just enough to the point where I am indeed begging for more. By no means are you alone sis in feeling like you want more and your hunger for these acts is almost insatiable at times.

I really love how dev used running as a way to describe the place pain allows her to transcend to. I understood vividly, viscerally even, that place of heightened sense and pure primal emotion. It is euphoric, intoxicating and delicious and I think it’s really no wonder it becomes something we long for and crave. I think pain, like other forms of play �?humiliation or bondage for example �?if done properly, safely, and as dev said in the context of a trusting D/s relationship, can truly be the conduit for allowing the submissive to surrender all self-consciousness, doubt, anxiety and allow her to experience a very deep and powerful submission. And there is nothing wrong with that. It took me a long time to understand this however.

I think rose makes a wonderful point regarding pain and how the manner it is introduced, as well as the timing really affects how a submissive feels about her desire for it. If you were the victim of a violent act its harder, as you said goddess, to understand why you still crave it. But I think there is a difference between deciding this is something you like, own it, and then decide who you want and trust to share it with versus being abused and broken. In this way, you are no longer a victim, but self-empowered and taking ownership of your desires and/or needs. I think some of my experiences growing up put me in a similar category, where for a very long time I thought: how can I possibly want this when I lived through that?! You know, I don’t think it matters to me anymore and I think this is because I have come to a place where I accept the person I am more and embrace the desires I have without judging them too harshly.

So yeah, I love a certain amount of pain in the context of play. I love all the sensations and the emotions that arise from being taken to that place. And with the right person, I will beg for it, I will crawl for it, and then when it’s over I will lay there breathless with tears dampening my flushed cheeks and thank Him for allowing me to surrendering so deeply. I will cuddle up in the safeness of His embrace and know I am safe and this is ok and there is no better moment than this one because for a brief time I sucked the marrow out of life and was the closet to my true self than any other part of my day.

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