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WARNING WEST COASTERS!!!!! Don't read the below unless you want to be spoiled!!!!!!! Did we just experience our first flashback/flashforward episode of the series? Jin's being a flashback and Sun's being the flashforward? So confusing. Is it possible that Jin supposed to be one of the 8 that survived the crash but one of the two that died afterwards???? AND if that is the case, does that mean that Jin is still on the island??????? In case you didn't catch it, the date on Jin's tombstone was the day of the crash. Will post more later once I have a chance to clear my head. |
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I almost bawled seeing Sun cry like that.
I think most likely Jin is dead. It could be reasoned she was crying because she misses him since he is back on the island, but why would she even visit his tombstone? She could miss him at home. However, it could be possible something happened on the island causing the six to leave, and she only thinks he's dead. |
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| | | From: Kristin | Sent: 3/14/2008 8:26 AM |
I cried.. no. I BAWLED at that part. Not a good thing when you are pregnant, and your husband has abdominal pain that they can't figure out what it is.  Yeah that flash forward/flashback thing was really confusing! But also kind of interesting.. hmm. And we were all right about Michael being the boat spy. |
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Yep, we definitely had a simultaneous flashback/flash forward. I was half expecting Sun's child to be a 2nd (or even 3rd) child and her X-year old daughter to walk into the scene at some point. But since it's pretty clear that this was kid numero uno, it gives us a little time perspective.
Sun was 2 months (island time) pregnant during the "real time" portion of the episode. So her flash forward was at most 7 months later (assuming no time flimflam from island to mainland), so we know the "six" are getting off fairly soon, given that Hurley came to see her and one of the nurses called Sun a member of the Oceanic Six.
We know that Jin either died during that time or is presumed dead (a gravestone does not a body make, he could still be on the island with Locke, Sawyer, Bernard and wife, etc.) and just be considered a crash victim. Or he could have made it back to the mainland and died shortly thereafter, but since Chicky pointed out the date on the TS was the date of his death, it seems like he's being counted as a crash victim. All that being said, since the "last" of the six were revealed, to me it shakes out like this:
1. Jack 2. Kate 3. Sayid 4. Hurley 5. Sun 6. Jin/Michael (Michael was shown for the first time, and he was a passenger, so his whole interlude-as-Ben's spy may end now that he has contact with other Losties, and he may "return" with the other 5). Jin is possibly one of the other two that didn't survive, or there's two more folks yet to come. I wonder if one of those two is the person who's funeral no one came to, or if that's yet another red herring.
Back to the time thing, I think it would take Jack more than 6 months to grow his gnarly mountain man beard, so I'm willing to say his flash forward is much further along than either Sun's or his court appearance with Kate, though it's possible he had shaved for that one, since Aaron was old enough to be talking. We'll see how it goes.
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| | From:  Hiccup1 | Sent: 3/14/2008 2:09 PM |
i couldn't believe that episode last night!!!! i was so totally thrown when he took that panda in and it wasn't for sun. i can't believe he'll be killed off!! as with everything on this show though, i'm sure nothing is as it appears. |
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ahhh good eyes, i didn't realize the date on the tombstone was the date of the crash, and come to think of it i don't even know what the date of the crash is in any event, so is Jin dead or just on the island hmmm if the story the public is allowed to know is the version where only 8 survived the crash, two died on the island, and then the 6 survivors rescued, then if Jin is one of the two who survived the crash but died before rescue, then he'd have to have a tombstone and for good measure Sun would have to visit it however, would this mean he's dead? or could he still be on that island? Remember the first episode--i think it was--when Jack was all out of sorts and campaigning rather manicly to Kate that they have to get back to the island? maybe there's more of a reason for Jack to want to get back there than just because it was a neat place to be. maybe they did have to leave behind the flock, and maybe they didn't all die in some sort of slaughter or other wave of extinction, or "in the crash" officially |
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I believe that most/all that aren't part of the Oceanic 6 are still on the island. Something else to think about: Do you all remember awhile back when Ben showed Juliet her sister at a park watching her child (Juliet's neice or nephew) playing? Is it possible that Sun and Hurley took the baby to "Jin's tombstone" because this is a place for them to communicate with the island? If you watch the scene again, it is like Sun is talking directly into the tombstone. She actually holds the baby up so that she can be seen at an angle as if it is for a camera. The scene was heartwrenching as she talks about how much she misses him.....never does she mention anything about him dying. |
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| I want to know why they have to have this fabricated story to tell the press. Is it to keep Kate out of jail? Or maybe something even worse is about to happen to the rest of them? |
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didn't we see a flashforward scene of Kate on trial? or was that a flashback? I can't recall |
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Um...am I the only one that thought it was a pretty big freak'n waste of time to have Jin's flashback? It didn't tell us anything about his story and I dunno, this episode pissed me off simply because it goes back to them just fucking with us for the purpose of fucking with us. Honestly, what was the point of confusing us, why couldn't the flash forward have just shown Sun, calling for Jin throughout her hospital ordeal, what was the point of throwing Jin's useless flash back, other than to take away from the piss poor writing of this show.
Saying all that I am enjoying this season, but this needless flashback reminded me of the past two seasons where they filled each episode with shit that had absolutely no point. |
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| Kate on trial was flashforward and the fabricated story is because the island is a secret, Holly. |
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| And I like the idea that everyone is still just chillin on the island. |
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| | | From: Lïly | Sent: 3/14/2008 10:43 PM |
I am thinking that they are alive, still, on the island. Why they did not get rescued... I have no idea. But I am not seeing them all dying... Unless Jacob/Ben does something. After all Ben is out. But then there is psycho Jack, remember, I believe the season finale, where he asked Kate to meet him at the airport (outside the strip) and he rambled off that he kept flying trying to get back to the island? Did that happen after the trial or before? And then the dead guy that only Jack went to the funeral... and I just read Torsten post... I am not deleting what I typed! lol Yes Foxxy I agree. Jin flash back was just to confuse us. I was pissed. But the probably got the reaction they wanted. |
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It was an interesting episode (finally got caught up over the weekend). Next episode, I'll try to watch sooner so I can join in on the discussion. I'm too late for this one, lol. |
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