Hi Guys, Sorry to Bump in. I just want to state my opnion about something that Delois did say about Karma. She says that we all choose our own Karma. Perhaps Delois wanted to say we choose our plan or fate or whatever you call it. As far as I know (from my Buddhist and Hindu background) Karma is a Pali word (ancient Indian Language) whiah means something what we do or did in the past (this or in several past lives) and we don't choose that. We choose to do things or we choose to create our own karma by ourselves. From our own Karma we get Vipaka (or the result). Vipaka can be good or bad. From a Good Karma you can get good Vipaka like winning a lottery, better job etc and from Bad karma we will get kideney stones, some cancer and other things. However not everything happend to us is not caused by Karma along. Sorry I am not trying to preach anything here but merely states what I have learned..

Delois make it clear in later post that most things happen to us have Karmic reasons which is what I learned too.

Love and Light

Voyager

Hi Voyager, bump in any time you want. I am bad at answering or responding, only to the question, or subject,,many times, I should go farther with the answer,,so,, I ask Maqua to explain ----Maqua want to explain Karma---- Karma is a settlement for something you do in a past life. Each time life ends, you have a meeting with your guides, and tthe other person, and their guides, and decide how you want to settle this karma. This may be a positive karma, or a negative karma that you created. Karma is planned into another lifetime with that spirit. Not all bad things are karma, some are lessons, and some are having the experience of.  Learning that a karma is paid, makes one very happy when it is over.Learning that a lesson is over, makes one feel on a higher spiritual level,,Feeling the experience of,,,makes one feel on a higher spiritual level. In this life, Delois wanted to have the lesson of being partly blind,,saying this to let everyone know that not all bad things are karma. She had never experienced blindness in a lifetime, and now she knows what blindness is like. To finish all lifetimes, meaning not come back, one must have all experiences, all lessons, and settle all karma.

Hi Delois,

Thanks for the reply. Perhaps Maqua and you should call this a different name than Karma. Because "Karma" or "Karmaya" is a Pali word and also a cornerstone teaching of the Hindu Religion as well as Buddhism. Hindus say all things happened because of the Karma and Buddhists say some things happend from the Karma but not all the things. One of my previous posts to "E "I copied hereabout "Karmic Theory" and it;s many intepretations. For example people dying from Tsunami or earthquake is not Karma it's a Natural reason. Buddhist Karmic theory does not beleive all the illeneses have Karmic reasons but some. Some have perfectly explainable medical reasons and others Karmic plus medical and some Karmic only. Well different teachings in different religions. Or should we  take this as another teaching about "Karma" deviating from Pali Language and Eastern teachings.

Love and Light

Voyager

I am very sorry to dissapoint you Ambassador from Hell - there are Pizzas on the otherside depending on which level.

Voyager

Sorry Voyager,,the word "karma" is from the spiritual side,,or the other side,,meaning that is not a word of the physical people,,I do not think that the entire spiritual world is going to change one of their words for you or I. They cant help it if some in the physical have taken their word, and changed the meaning. Sorry, Delois

Aha, now that an interesting debate Delois. in my limited knowledge about other side spirits, I can categorised them as

1. Our loved ones passed away from this side and

2. Other spiritual beings who are living on other dimensions thousands or millions of earth years.

so it may be possible that they have given us all the languages we speak. It may be possible that they gave the Ancient Language "Pali and Sanscrit" to North Indians 3000 years agoa here word "karma" originated.

All that can be possiblethough  however what I cannot really agree is there are words belong to spirituals. As far as I know they don't have specific language. They intimate to us what they mean by symbols, allegory and other means, smells - you know it. Not all spirituals speak English or for that matter speak Pali or Thai or Hindi. We can communicate with any body from the otherside irrespective of the language they spoke here on this side.

So in my opinion "karma" is pretty much a word of material world.

Love and Light

Voyager

Voyager, then that is what you should believe. Delois

He he, Very diplomatic reply Delois. 

Love and Light

Voyager

Voyager, you must understand that I will never argue/debate with anyone about their spiritual beliefs,,,,I have no right to do that.  We are all on different paths in life, and our beliefs are different,,and that is ok. If someone comes up to me and tells me that they do not believe in more that one lifetime,,I would say to them, that is wonderful for you, and I would NEVER try to push my beliefs on to them, because, for some reason, that I do not know of, it is important for them to believe that way.  SO, You are free to believe as you are suppose to, and so is everyone else, have a good day,,Delois

( as you may have noticed, I do not write a lot here, I try to answer all questions that people ask me,,they are free to take what they want from my answers, or totally dismiss them. It is their choice)

Hi Delois,

I usually know you don't argue (unlike me and Louellen. We like that). However in here if you read my posts I am not talking about my spiritual belief. I never said I beleive what Hindu terminology about karma etc. What I simply saying is where the word "Karma" comes from and two oldest religions in the worls (one is 4000 years  and other one is 2500 years old)  made karmic theory as the corenerstone for their teachings. That teaching deviate from yours (or Maquas for that matter). Whether I beleive it any of it including your theary is a different matter.

I have seen quite often in Western books, theories etc,  they are taking Eastern words and giving meaning to them according to their faiths and understanding sometimes changing whole meaning.

It is something like numbering system. We call 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 as Arabic numbers. Europeans called it like that because Arabic traders brought numbering system to Europe from India. Original numbering system 1-9 was discovered and used in India way before and just becuase Arab traders introduced it to west it became Arabic numeric system opposite to Roman system. Same as Zero or 0. Indians called it Shunya and it existed long time there. Europeans and Romans struggled without 0 to make calculations and finally it was learned 0 exist in India and whole world benefited from it.

These are just facts and I was ststaing what "karma" originaly meant. And also I stand by the comment that spirits from the otherside communicate with us irrespective  of the language we speak.

love and Light

Voyager

Very fine Voyager.

 

Your argument is valid.  But I think it is best that we quit arguing over the meaning of words.  The meaning you are quoting for 'karma' and 'vipaka' are quite acceptable.  But, here, with regard to Delois and Maqua, it may have a different meaning.  What I perceive is that when they use the word 'karma', the meaning I get is that something good or bad we have to face now, because we did not experience it earlier, whether in this life or prior lives if there were any, when we had the opportunity, by doing or not doing something.  So this 'doing' may have a link to the word 'karma' but what we should be concerned here is to understand the reasons for our difficulties and not whether a certain word's origin or who owns it or what it originally meant or anything like that.  Like you have stated, spirits most often communicate non verbally.  But those who are attuned to them do understand what they mean without going to argue on what they used to communicate and whether what they used meant something to us and something else to them.  Here too, the idea is one person to tell something using words and the other(s) to understand that - because the medium we use here is words and they can mean different things to different people and or cultures.  I clearly understand what Delois and Maqua say using their words and that is alright with me.  When I have things to clarify, I ask questions and I hope they do understand me as well.  I hope this is enough to finish with this argument.

 

As Delois says, each person is at liberty to believe or say whatever they like to say.  But, I think here, there is no argument.  Though you like to argue and prove something, if the other party is not willing to argue, it is best to stop the argument.  I can't remember that saying, but there is a saying that says that by winning an argument, you are losing a friend or goodwill with someone or many.  So, please let there be peace here.

 

Love and Light

 

Dew .

Hi Delois,

 

Thank you so much for all the information you are providing me.

 

I went to WebMD site but could not find the link you have given.  Is it a known fact that Magnesium needs to be with Calcium to be processed properly by the liver?  My wife is not aware of it.

 

Maqua says that I HAVE a karmic reason to get kidney stones.  And as Calcium can contribute to creation of kidney stones, am I not causing a bad effect on me by taking a lot of Calcium?  Is there any way out of it without causing kidney stones?  Or is there something else that will cause kidney stones not to be created even if a high dose of Calcium is taken?

 

Your help is much appreciated

 

Love and Light

 

Dew .

Dear Dew,

Please read my posts and please don't reply with emotions. Delois was not and neither me. I was not really arguing either. I was saying in my post 38 " Sorry to Bump in. .I just want to state my opnion about something that Delois did say about Karma. She says that we all choose our own Karma."

As a medium you can inteprete what Guides or spirits say as you wish. Someone can have different opnion and I respect delois's and yours and please respect mine as Delois does. This posts does not mean I do not respect Delois or you. I respect each and everybody here.

Love and Light

Voyager