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| | From:  Voyager90AU (Original Message) | Sent: 7/16/2007 11:51 PM |
Part of the medicle article was produced here taken from the author- Voyager Having studied epilepsy-sufferers, Professor V S Ramachndran ( http://psy.ucsd.edu/chip/ramabio.html) IS AWARE THAT THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF SEIZURE. THE MOST COMMON OCCURS IN THE MOTOR CORTEX OF THE BRAIN AND RESULTS IN THE MASSIVE, MUSCLE-TWITCHING TYPE OF FIT that most people associate with this illness. But some of his patients experienced less obvious fits in their limbic systems. he described limbic epilepsy: the most striking symptoms are emotional. Patients say that their 'feelings are on fire', ranging from intense ecstacy to profound despair, a sense of impending doom or even fits of extreme rage and terror. Women sometimes experience orgasms during seizures, although for some obsure reason men never do. But most remarkable of all are those patients who have deeply moving spiritual experiences, including a feeling of a divine presence and the sense they are in direct communication with god. Everything around them is imbued with cosmic significance....I find it ironic that this sense of enlightenment, this absolute conviction that Truth is revealed at last, should derive from the limbic structure concerned with emotions rather than from the thinking, rational parts of the brain that take so much pride in their ability to discern truth and falsehood.-Ramachandran & Blakeslee (1999) page 197 Epilepsi is defined as a chatic state of the brain. Brains are made of a large mass of specialisd cells, our nurons, which transmit electrical signals. To understand epilepsy you need to know that nuron is: a specialised cell that acts upon another cell by trabsmitting an electrical pulse called an action potential, by which it releases a specialised chemical called a neurotransmitter.The brain has two systems of keeping all its neurons in touch with each other. One is chemical, the other electrical. (Please read about electroencephalogram EEG I will skip it - voyager and about the brainwave patterns). What is happening electrically inside a brain when the subject's eyes glaze over, he rolls on the floor and foams at the mouth as his body thrashes about. It's as if electrical storm is taking place in the brain. (skipping part here - voyager) The brain has to form a critical number of neuron links before the epilepsy can appear - if your brain is too simple you can#t suffer from it. But as Professor Ramachandran points out, some froms of epilepsy only affect your emotions. What interested him was this: does this special form of epilepsy change the way a person thinks?
One of the theoris he looked at is that epileptic fits in the limbic system form new spiritually aware pathways in the subject's brains, which change their personality. He tested this out by looking at patient's galvanic skin response as they looke dat images and words. He showed random series of images and symbols of several types. They consisted of words for ordinary objects (vase, table, shoe, etc) Continued in Part 2- Voyager |
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I could not type the rest. Here the other part. Voyager
and familiar faces of members of their close family mixed in with familiar faces. he also showed them sexually arousing words and pictures, and violent and horrible images. Amidst these images, designed to arouse, repel or neutral, he added a number of religious words and symbols. The results were surprising: there had been a selectiev amplification of the GSR to religious words and symbols, and also a reduction in response to other categoris, such as sexually loadd ones.
The one clear conclusion that emerges from all ths is that there are circuits in the human brain that are involved in religious experience, and these become hyperactive in some epileptics. We dont'know whether these circuits eveolved specifically for religion or whether they generate other emotions that are merely conductive to such beleifs. - Turning the Hiram Key - Lomas- p236 What's intersting here is certain usage of ancient plant for recreational purposes can have similar effect on side of the brain and nuerons as in epileptic fit. However epileptic fit would be much higher stage than normal "high". So my conclusion is I have to agree that certain spiritual experience may happen in some people's brains during the usage of certain drugs. However effect should be reduced medically after 4 hours. Effect of spiritual experience may stay for a while or person can hold into it but effect of the drug definitly reduces during "no use" time. Next - the question of - can other entity (human or other energy) control the subject's mind in this alternate state - at the moment I think yes (me and my guides are in one opinion here) but have to wait to prove that. All opinions are welcome in this thread. Love and Light - Voyager The links supplied in the end of the post are aimed not at discouraging users or trying to take them off or part of an advice. They are there as background material to explain the above ideas only. - Voyager POST NOTE: This last part for comparison and taken from the internet: Effects of smoking marijuana on brain perfusion and cognition.
O'Leary DS, Block RI, Koeppel JA, Flaum M, Schultz SK, Andreasen NC, Ponto LB, Watkins GL, Hurtig RR, Hichwa RD. Mental Health Clinical Research Center, University of Iowa College of Medicine, Iowa City, IA 52242 1057, USA. [email protected]The effects of smoking marijuana on regional cerebral blood flow (rCBF) and cognitive performance were assessed in 12 recreational users in a double-blinded, placebo-controlled study. PET with [(15)Oxygen]-labeled water ([(15)O]H(2)O) was used to measure rCBF before and after smoking of marijuana and placebo cigarettes, as subjects repeatedly performed an auditory attention task. Smoking marijuana resulted in intoxication, as assessed by a behavioral rating scale, but did not significantly alter mean behavioral performance on the attention task. Heart rate and blood pressure increased dramatically following smoking of marijuana but not placebo cigarettes. However, mean global CBF did not change significantly. Increased rCBF was observed in orbital and mesial frontal lobes, insula, temporal poles, anterior cingulate, as well as in the cerebellum. The increases in rCBF in anterior brain regions were predominantly in "paralimbic" regions and may be related to marijuana's mood-related effects. Reduced rCBF was observed in temporal lobe auditory regions, in visual cortex, and in brain regions that may be part of an attentional network (parietal lobe, frontal lobe and thalamus). These rCBF decreases may be the neural basis of perceptual and cognitive alterations that occur with acute marijuana intoxication. There was no significant rCBF change in the nucleus accumbens or other reward-related brain regions, nor in basal ganglia or hippocampus, which have a high density of cannabinoid receptors. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12007751&dopt=Citation   Effects of Marijuana on the Nervous System THC acts on "cannabinoid" receptors which are found on neurons in many places in the brain. These brain areas are involved in memory (the hippocampus), concentration (cerebral cortex), perception (sensory portions of the cerebral cortex) and movement (the cerebellum, substantia nigra, globus pallidus). When THC activates cannabinoid receptors, it interfers with the normal functioning of these brain areas. In low to medium doses, marijuana causes:  - relaxation
- reduced coordination
- reduced blood pressure
- sleepiness
- disruption in attention
- an altered sense of time and space...a good reason not to drive or operate machinery while under the influence.
In high doses, marijuana can cause: - hallucinations
- delusions
- impaired memory
- disorientation.
Scientists have known for a long time that THC interacted with cannabinoid receptors in the brain, but did not know why the brain would have such receptors. They thought that the brain must make some kind of substance that naturally acted on these receptors. In 1992, they found the answer...anandamide. Anandamide is the brain's own THC (just like "endorphin" is the brain's own morphine). Still, scientists are not sure what the function of anandamide is in the normal brain.  The effects of marijuana start as soon as 1-10 minutes after it is taken and can last 3 to 4 hours or even longer. Experiments have shown that THC can affect two neurotransmitters: norepinephrine and dopamine. Serotonin and GABA levels may also be altered. Whether marijuana can produce addiction is controversial. Also controversial is whether marijuana causes long-term mental abnormalities. Only future research will give us the answers. It is interesting to note that there are NO documented cases of a fatal overdose produced by marijuana. However, because there is a high level of tar and other chemicals in marijuana, smoking it is similar to smoking cigarettes. The lungs get a big dose of chemicals that increase the chances of lung problems and cancer later in life.  How long does THC stay in your body and for how long can it be detected after you use marijuana? The amount of time depends on several factors such as how much a person has smoked, how long a person has smoked for, and the method used to detect THC or its metabolites. Marijuana can be detected in urine, blood and saliva using methods called thin layer chromatography, high pressure liquid chromatography, gas chromatography, enzyme immunoassay and radioimmunoassay. The most psychoactive ingredient in marijuana is delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). THC is broken down into several other compounds that are also psychoactive. The half-life of THC is about 24 hours. However, the metabolites of THC can be detected for 45 to 60 days after the last use. |
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extremely interesting...
As for the mind control aspect, I might be willing to participate in your experiment. We just need to talk about the details. My money still says it won't happen (contrary to popular belief, being high does not make you an idiot! ;) ) but I'm willing to put it on the line. Lemme know, man.
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Hi Bones, I will not contribute to this popular beleif as you say "contrary to popular belief, being high does not make you an idiot". I am not saying being high make someone idiot. It is not right to say that at all. There are lot of people using it and you cannot categorise everyone of them as idiots. Question is indeed a different one. Whether being high means open your mind and open subconciouse to other forces or not. I can try to arrange an experiment. We can ask a controler to have a list of actions I can command and you can perform them without knowing what they are. Then you can send an email to controller what you have done. Ideally some one observing you should do it. Then controller can compare the results and you have to be honest about it. However because we are living far away I am not sure how effetive this can be. I will try. I need a photo to see my object - which is you- that way I have more concentration. I will post a disclaimer so you can fill that in and send to me. I prefer someone who stands in front of me for that , but I can't have that at the moment so this is the best we can get. So has to be this way. Thanks. I will post the disclaimer evening when I go home. Love and Light Voyager |
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voy,
k. send me your disclaimer and I will fill it out and email you a photo with it. my wife will observe.
Looking forward to it.
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Need to find a controller. I deally neutral person. Any volunteers. V |
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Disclaimer, Just copy and insert your real name and send it to me please. I will sedn one to you as well if you need one. Experiment: To see how mind react to unspecified external energies when subject taken a dose of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in form of inhalation. I, <Full Name Here> fully understand that this test is a fun
experiment for entertainment purposes only and does not replace nor, can be > considered proper medical experiment in any way without exception.
By participating, I am hereby accepting any and all liabilities WITHOUT EXCEPTION and accept and understand that both the experimenter and management at Behind The Veil cannot an will not be held responsible/liable for my participation in this experiment in any way nor, my own lack of proper judgement and actions.
Signed,
Insert your full name here Thanks Voyager |
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I kind of wonder where you expect to find a controller that can observe me... The only options are Mija and Herba... not even really herba, because while we are friends in real life we still live 2 hours away from each other. So I think you will just have to trust us that while she may be biased, she will be fair. Also I will be inserting the date and time into your disclaimer and I will send it to you when we set it up.
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Hi Bones, We do not need a controller sit next to you. I trust you and Mija would send tinsg as it happened. What I am saying is controller can be anyone form BTV, If anyone volunteers. I will send a list to the controller and controller would not disclose that to you. Then after the session you have to sent the list what happened. Contoller then can post or compare the original my list with your list. That way we can see. Voyager |
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kk. That will work well.
Bones
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Bones, I have got certain legal opinion yesterday and I will come back to you. v |
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Hi, is there any volunteer who would be the controller. You just need to kep the list and compare the results. That's all. hi Bones,I add a line to the disclaimer. We can do next week Friday I think. What times you are available? I, <Full Name Here> fully understand that this test is a fun
experiment for entertainment purposes only and does not replace nor, can be considered proper medical experiment in any way without exception. I am volunteering to take a dose of dose of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and no one is forcing or requesting me to take it.
By participating, I am hereby accepting any and all liabilities WITHOUT EXCEPTION and accept and understand that both the experimenter and management at Behind The Veil cannot an will not be held responsible/liable for my participation in this experiment in any way nor, my own lack of proper judgement and actions.
Signed,
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ummmm... anytime after the wifey gets home... after around 10 pm PST.
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Hi Boney, I am afraid I have to back down from this experiment. I will give you and Herba the upperhand here because I will not going to hold an opinion publicly that -"Someone can direct/manipulate the unsupervised brain under drugs or for that matter "spiritual Expeience" on that. It may or may not occur in my mind, with single evidence from DR Ramachandran suggest in epileptic Seizure research.. I may try my self as well as perhaps test it privately with a friend. However I will not do it in the public domain. Thank you for your forwardness and wanted to participate in the experiment. I could not find a controller either. So I leave it as it is with big question mark on my mind and give in to your well justified suspicion on that account. Thanks again. Love and light Voyager |
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well, that sucks. you had me psyched. well good luck with whoever you find to do it.
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