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General : more advice needed re my tween!
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From: DeniseNH  (Original Message)Sent: 9/29/2008 10:17 PM
OK, I have another question to pose to you all since you helped me a lot with my other question.
 
My daughter (13) wants to have her friends come into her room to hang out including the boys.  I was never allowed to have boys in my room EVER, whether they were friends or more than that.  Yet every movie, tv show & cartoon around all have shown boy and girl 'friends' in each others' rooms with no big deal.
 
So, am I overprotective to not allow her to 'hang' in her room with them because I was taught that way or do you think it's a good practice to keep her room sacred to her and gf's only?  Raising a tween is so difficult!  I question everything I do!  Is there an instruction manual somewhere?


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From: wolfieSent: 9/30/2008 12:47 AM
Denise
 
as a grandmother I am probably a bit  old fashioned, but I agree , TV  and movies are just not good role models.  do you have a family room or den that the kids can hang out in.
Maybe instead of saying NO BOYS IN THE BEDROOM lol you might explain that the family room is just a better choice  maybe allowing snacks in the familyroom and  point out that you dont entertain your friends in your bedroom.
And if your tween is like most the room is probably not exactly presentable at all times , nothing like having the boy you have a crush on seeing your underwear tossed across your desk. lol
just my 2 cents worth.
 
love Wolfie

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From: MSN NicknameLouellen2Sent: 9/30/2008 2:43 AM
Ok, well.....this is a bit of a difficult situation because of the fact that I'm also stuck with being old fashioned but, having had to learn to come to grips with the "new world" as my daughter (now 25) put it to me years ago. 
 
Here's my thoughts on this. 
 
Firstly, IF there is another area of the house for your daughter and her friends to gather, having some privacy to themselves, ie: a basement recreational room or family room where they won't necessarily be amongst the rest of the family, then I'd say that it's perfectly acceptable to let your daughter know that you respect her wish for some privacy with her friends but, the bedroom isn't the place and give her the alternative room with your best wishes. 
 
However, IF her bedroom is the only place in the house where they can laugh and giggle and listen to music without adult ears right beside them, then I'd made the stipulation that there had to be girls with the boys, the door open and to be prepared for you possibly be walking in that door at any time (to offer snacks or whatever your excuse).  NO CLOSED DOORS!!!  Explain to her that you had very different criteria growing up and that you're TRYING to understand her point of view but, that there has to be a compromise and respect on her part as well for you and your feelings and rules. 
 
My daughter used to have her friends over and before we renovated the basement, the ONLY place she could have friends over that they weren't literally in our laps too was to go to her bedroom.  That door was always left open and there were always girls when boys were over.  There was NEVER a time that she was permitted to go up to her bedroom with a boy on their own, other than to help her carry down her cd's or something. 
 
One thing to keep in mind though Denise.  Whatever can happen in a bedroom, can also happen anywhere else in the house that you're not sitting in the room with them! LOL  So, just something to think about.  Perhaps, giving something a try and if you don't feel comfortable with it, next time doesn't get to happen that way???
 
Best of luck!  I know this is a difficult time!  It doesn't get much better either. *sigh*
 
Love and Light,
Louellen

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From: DeniseNHSent: 9/30/2008 6:48 PM
Ah Lou and Wolfie, raising kids is just grand I tell you! 
 
I want to go with my first feeling which is the 'old' fashioned way vs. the 'new' world, simply 'cuz it's the way I was taught.  But, alas we don't live in a large glamorous house with rooms galore, so her room is truly the only fairly private place she can turn to to get away from...well...me!  And I remember my younger days when I wanted that privacy too - even just to be 'apart' from the grownups.
 
I am going to meet her halfway and ask the same of her, similar to what you suggest Lou.  She can have boys in her room ONLY if other gf's are present AND I think it's fair to keep the door completely open.  Like I mentioned, ours is a small home and I can just about see her door from the bottom of the stairs anyway.  I just wanted some reassurances I was not alone.
 
Thanks for your help - I TRULY appreciate it.  I think it's so important to keep connected with your teens and teenhood is probably the most difficult period to do so.  I agree trying to meet halfway is good for the relationship when permissable.
 
xo, DeniseNH

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From: MSN Nicknamejonna09Sent: 9/30/2008 9:22 PM
Oh Denise, just wait until 17........LOL
My son is 19, a few years ago, his girlfriend came over and said, she was MOVING IN!
My son had a very private part of the house on the third floor and they had been sneaking her in at night.
I told her she could not move in, and she cried and said there was no place to go!
I called her mother, who told me, her husband did not get along with the daughter and she had to make her leave!
Her father lived in a one room efficiency apartment.
Well that pulled my heart strings! Needless to say, she ended up moving in for a year, she moved out when she turned 18.
I put her on birth control, taught her how to write a resume, walked her through job applications, and interviewing, appropriate clothing, etc........... She was working and finished high school while staying with me.
Some parents would not agree with what I did. I thought it was an opportunity to show her things her parents refused to show her.
I hope that the example I gave her, was independence and responsibility.
My son and I are very close and I honestly never wanted to have his girlfriend shack up in my house! But, we have to decide with each situation what is best for the personalities involved. It is an ever changing process as kids progress.
Honestly, I was 17, had my own car and my boyfriend had his own apartment, when I was in high school. I figured that it is not much different than that.
My son has informed me that he does not want to live with any girlfriend, until he is much older.! HOORAY for that! He did not enjoy having his girlfriend knowing every moment of his life!
My son has told me since he was little that he liked having his friends come to our house, instead of him going to friends houses. His friends liked coming over also. It is always best to have them at your house, at least you know who they are with and what they are doing.
When they were 13 I taught them how to play poker for hard candy and helped build skate board ramps.....LOL
Boys are so much more fun at 13, than girls!
My son's friends still come to see me, and they always want dinner here, because I always had an extra place at the table for anyone!

I just asked my son to move out recently after giving him several chances to do things differently.
I know I have taught him how to manage his money and how to be responsible. Sometimes they have to learn the hard way, so I hope he uses the skills he has been taught and succeeds.
He is doing well and working hard and going to some night classes. But it was time for him to go if he could not follow the "sobriety" rules............. I am sure he is using marijuana now...... he is 19 and I can't let him do that in my home either.
We all did it, but my coolness ends there! Nothing illegal, that has always been my rule!
I guess what I am saying, is that each circumstance is different, each child is different and that should all be considered. You do what feels right.
Just the fact that you had to work through this to make the right decision, shows a responsible mother!
Once, when my son was about 8, he was in trouble, he had to go to his room, on the way, he yelled, "I hate you"......
It hurt, but I refused to respond.
Later that evening, I told him, that he could love me or hate me. Either way, it was my job to make him a responsible person, and love had nothing to do with that.
He never said that again to me.
We love our kids, that's the easy part. Making them into responsible adults who can handle the world, well, that's the hardest job in the universe!



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From: MSN NicknameVoyager90AUSent: 10/2/2008 12:47 PM
Jonna, You behaved like real mum there to your son and that disadvantaged girl you helped.
It is interesting to read all the inputs here since we have 2 little girls (7 and 5) and very soon they will come to this age and we have to deal with this as well.
v

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From: MSN NicknameTinaMarieK1Sent: 10/3/2008 12:48 PM
I am old fashion too. I have 2 grown children, not married yet. My dad would have never let me in my room with guys. Now days some people have a living room and family room. If yah do I would suggest making the family room like a friends hangout room. You can still see/hear whats kinda happening. On the other hand. Kids will most likley not do anything bad in their room with parents home.If they want to do something, they will no matter if you say no to their bedroom. I have a uncle who was really stricked. All his kids later in their years, did bad things, . When they finally got older and resented his reals, they became bad children, and I mean bad. So I think be open with your kids all the time.  Let them know they can come to you with anything, no matter what it is.   BE THERE FOR YOUR KIDS.

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