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Fifteen to seventeen years ago, or so, I was living in Fontana, California and I was on my way to work one morning, and had just pulled onto the freeway into rush hour traffic, when I was passed on the right by a cute looking young blonde girl in an older light-colored convertible with the top up. The blonde girl had fairly short curly hair. I tried to catch up with her to "check her out", but couldn't, as she moved on ahead in the traffic. She had an out-of-State custom license plate (I believe Colorado - although I can't remember now for sure) which was very distinctive and a positive, fun-loving statement (which I can't remember now - although I did at the time).
A few days later, I read an article in the newspaper about a young blonde girl who had been found brutally tortured and murdered in that State (Colorado?), and she had the same car with the same license plate which I had seen that morning. The police had put out a description of her car, including the license plate "number" (statement). The newspaper article went on to state that the authorities (police) were "baffled" because they had received hundreds of calls from people all over the United States who were insistent that they had seen the blonde girl driving that very same car with that very same "out-of State" license plate, from Florida to California, and that she could not possibly have been in all those places at the very same time.
This was the same girl and car with the same license plate which I had seen. (I was not one of those who had called the authorities.)
I wish I had kept the newspaper article, but I did not.
Did you ever hear of this story??? This was a very real car, in traffic, and not a "ghostly image".
I would like to get in contact with any people who saw that car and driver at that time, or who know anything about this.
I have not been able to find anything regarding it on the Internet. There are many other significances regarding this story which I would like to discuss with you, if you care to answer this email.
Thank you for your help. Please email me. Bob [email protected] |
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There doesn't seem to be much interest here. If anyone wants a little more info on this, please check out "Ghost Car" on "Ghosts and Things" on the MSN Group "Weird Reality". I am looking for clues and help on this. Thanks! Bob |
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| I am getting no place with this, so here is what should be a direct link to the discussion on "Weird Reality", mentioned above, where I have posted more data on this. Again, if anyone can offer any help, I would appreciate it. I have sent requests to some news services - 3 emails - and they won't even answer me, even though I have offered to pay. This is very, very strange to me. I saw the girl and car, and I read the article which reported that hundreds of others throughout the country had reported seeing the girl and the car, and which also reported that the police were baffled by all the reports, as she couldn't be in all those places at the same time. Now I can't find anything on the girl and car, and I can't find anything on the newspaper article. It is like a "double-whammie"! I cannot believe that I imagined seeing the girl and the car, and also imagined reading the newspaper article. No way, Jose! Bob |
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I am trying to research an article that appeared in a local newspaper (Rialto or Fontana, California area) in approximately 1988 to 1993. It was a national story, and most likely appeared in several newspapers throughout the country. It was about a young attractive blonde-haired girl who had been murdered and brutally tortured, and she was observed driving her car all over the United States by hundreds of people who called in to report it, which baffled authorities, because it was impossible for her to be in all those hundreds of places at the same time. She had an unusual license plate on her car, and I believe she was from Colorado, but I am not sure about that. Could you be of any assistance in my search for this newspaper article, and what would be my cost? If you cannot help in this search, I would appreciate any advice you can offer. Thank you for your help. 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I am looking for an AP story which appeared in a free newspaper in the Rialto/Fontana, California area in 1990 to 1993. It was a story about a young blond girl and her car with a custom license plate (from Colorado or some mid-western State) who was spotted by hundreds of people all over the United States, from Florida to California, and reported to the police. The girl had been found brutally murdered and tortured, and the original news story resulted in hundreds of people from all over the United States calling in and reporting that they had seen the girl and the car, which was baffling to the police, since it was impossible for her to be in all those places at the same time (especially since she was dead!). What would it cost me to have you do a search for this article and send it me? Please advise. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. Regards, Bob <FORM name=frmAddAddrs action=http://address.mail.yahoo.com/yab/us?v=YM&.rand=92939&A=m&simp=1 method=post> </FORM> <STYLE id=ssxyzzy media=screen>#message715308062962487805486725622283967034oSObkYn4Ur5HQVbr1mLkvXJC4k8x4gGnaS4A2gyoSPTO07kCydMESDF0tcaUwpz8t7zVbH7mgSqhGCblV276ijyfJ5HgFi9sj5XD8EMGDy5bLVF5qZ5UesCMlXw18Vc700e5iOYRBYfqh4YbMRBTZgSmQTQSiS { overflow:auto; visibility:hidden }</STYLE> defer type=text/javascript> YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = true; YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false; YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.lang = "us"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 32; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = ""; YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = { lw_1182833622_0: { text: 'Colorado', startchar: 375, endchar: 382, start: 375, end: 382, weight: 0.729236, type: ['shortcuts:/us/tag/travel/destination_content', 'shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/state', 'shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/state'] , metaData: { geoArea: "269375", geoCountry: "United States", geoIsoCountryCode: "US", geoLocation: "(-105.55091, 38.997841)", geoName: "Colorado", geoPlaceType: "State", geoState: "Colorado", geoStateCode: "CO", travel_id: "191501893", type: "shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/state" } }, lw_1182833622_1: { text: 'United States', startchar: 538, endchar: 550, start: 538, end: 550, weight: 0.952447, type: ['shortcuts:/us/tag/travel/destination_content', 'shortcuts:/us/tag/travel/airport', 'shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/country', 'shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/country'] , metaData: { geoArea: "1.19742e+07", geoCountry: "United States", geoIsoCountryCode: "US", geoLocation: "(-116.98218, 48.890652)", geoName: "United States", geoPlaceType: "Country", travel_id: "191501863", type: "shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/country" } }, lw_1182833622_2: { text: 'United States', startchar: 900, endchar: 912, start: 900, end: 912, weight: 0.952447, type: ['shortcuts:/us/tag/travel/destination_content', 'shortcuts:/us/tag/travel/airport', 'shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/country', 'shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/country'] , metaData: { geoArea: "1.19742e+07", geoCountry: "United States", geoIsoCountryCode: "US", geoLocation: "(-116.98218, 48.890652)", geoName: "United States", geoPlaceType: "Country", travel_id: "191501863", type: "shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/country" } } }; YAHOO.Shortcuts.overlaySpaceId = "97546169"; YAHOO.Shortcuts.hostSpaceId = "97546168"; </SCRIPT> Amy: Hello! I am looking for an AP story which appeared in a free newspaper in the Rialto/Fontana, California area in 1990 to 1993. It was a story about a young blond girl and her car with a custom license plate (from Colorado or some mid-western State) who was spotted by hundreds of people all over the United States, from Florida to California, and reported to the police. The girl had been found brutally murdered and tortured, and the original news story resulted in hundreds of people from all over the United States calling in and reporting that they had seen the girl and the car, which was baffling to the police, since it was impossible for her to be in all those places at the same time (especially since she was dead!). What would it cost me to have you do a search for this article and send it me? Please advise. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. Regards, Bob ************************************************** Above, are a few of the emails I could find in my files which I had sent to various news services. I got no answers from repeated requests. I have done other internet searches, and written other emails. Am I approaching this wrong? Why aren't they even answering me, when I offer to pay????? I even paid around $30 for a week of searching, I believe it was with NewpaperArchives, or MicroFish or something. (Couldn't find anything.) Something seems really weird here! Am I jumping back and forth between different universes, or something like that???? Bob |
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Bob, the paper would almost have to be either the San Bernardino Sun or the San Gabriel Valley Tribune, so it may be worth checking a college library for back issues on microfiche. Mount San Antonio College (MSAC) has been around longer than that, and they might still have the records. The Riverside Press Enterprise didn't come into being until 1997.
I keep getting a strong image of a New Mexico plate, the various designs they've had with the stylized sun in the middle of the plate, but I don't know that it means anything. I do know I keep seeing that sun, as opposed to a Colorado plate, which would have the Rocky Mountains silhouette on any plate.
Is there any way you can be more precise about the date?
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Herbalista: Thank you very much for your help! At first I thought "Colorado", but your "strong image" of the New Mexico plate really "indicates" to me, and it is almost as if I can see that "sun" on the plate myself. It almost gives me goose bumps. Maybe it was New Mexico! That is the best help I have got on this yet! I had thought Colorado - I don't know why - but I myself had thought I saw that little sun image before. I had been looking at license plates on the web before, and, now, with your "confirmation", I am thinking it may have been New Mexico!!! I will try to concentrate my search to New Mexico. I had even joined the Colorado Ghost Hunters website, with no help, and no response. Perhaps I should try to find a similar group in New Mexico which may have heard about this. That is a good idea to check with those papers, and I will do that. However, the paper itself - I believe - was one of those free-handout newspaper, that I think comes once a week. I did not have a subscription to it, but it was delivered to my house in Fontana, and I believe it was out of Rialto, a city just east of Fontana. It was a full-sized newspaper, and one of those that has a lot of ads, and a lot of "green sheets". I can't remember if the article was on one of the green sheets or one of the white sheets. If I were to guess at the date, I would guess 1991. In case that wasn't it, I have expanded my search window to approximately 1989 to 1992. Trying to pull back memories of the time of the year, I would guess December to February, or thereabouts. It was nice mild weather. It doesn't snow in Fontana. I do not remember it being in the heat of summer, and it can get pretty hot in Fontana. God bless you! Thank you for your help! Sincerely, Bob |
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| On the above site, there are New Mexico license plates. Searching through the archives of my (now questionable!) memory banks, if it was a New Mexico license plate, it was definitely not one of the yellow plates. There are 5 white plates. It could have been one of the first four license plates, but not the fifth white license plate. As I have mentioned, it was a custom license plate. I notice that they are showing a total of six letters/numbers. I wonder if they limited the custom plates to six letters/ numbers??? I wonder if the license plate was "FUN * GAL" ??????? It was something of that nature, or of that general type of message. (Positive, fun-loving type of message.) Whadaya think, Herbalista? Bob |
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Bob, I think from reading that page that it probably wasn't a New Mexico plate, as the dates would have made it a yellow plate, and you don't remember it being a yellow plate. I'd keep looking at news agencies to see if there's any record of the story from around those times, and if you're close enough, the MSAC library would probably be a good resource.
I'm sorry I can't be more help!
Good luck with the search!
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On the above site, there are New Mexico license plates.
Searching through the archives of my (now questionable!) memory banks, if it was a New Mexico license plate, it was definitely not one of the yellow plates. There are 5 white plates. It could have been one of the
first four license plates, but not the fifth white license plate. As I have mentioned, it was a custom license plate. I notice that they are showing a total of six letters/numbers. I wonder if they
limited the custom plates to six letters/ numbers??? I wonder if the license plate was "FUN * GAL" ??????? It was something of that nature, or of that general type of message.
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wisconsin had bright yellow plates with black letters for years. not wisconsin tho... wonder why i sensed wis??? but with your ghost car i'm sensing new mexico...maybe arizona. southwestern i'm sensing strongly.. gsees |
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Thanks, gsee! Herbalista: Would it not be possible for a car in 1991 to have license plates on it that were installed in the 1970's? In California, some cars still have very old plates - there is not a requirement to change the plates every year. Only a new "sticker" is required each year. Is that not true in New Mexico? Bob |
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Here is a very pertinent question: This was - obviously - a "custom" license plate. Were custom license plates even available in New Mexico in the 1970's? And what number of letters and/or numbers were allowed? Bob |
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That's something I tried to find on the web, with no luck. I think you'd actually have to talk to the NM DMV for that information. And yes, of course it could have been an old plate, depending upon when NM started offering vanity plates. Sounds like some good solid questions for the NM DMV!
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Herbalisata: I have contacted the office of the director of the New Mexico Motor Vehicles Department, and talked with "Irma". She does not know the date (year) that New Mexico started personalized license plates, and apparently no one else in the office knows that information. The person who would know is on vacation. I gave her my phone number and email address, and she will contact me when he comes back. Bob |
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Herbalista: Irma contacted Michael Wiener in Albequerque (sp?), NM, who is an expert in license plates, and Michael gave me a call. Michael Wiener used to work for the Motor Vehicles Department in New Mexico, and is a license plate collector, and has writtten several book on license plates. Because of his expertise, he works sometimes with the FBI regarding tracing people re. license plates. According to Michael, he has personally visited the Motor Vehicle Departments of most States in the Union. Michael gave me the following websites, which I have not visited yet, since I just got off the phone with him: Michael appears to be an extremely nice guy, very friendly, as well as very knowledgeable. He is going to Asia on business tomorrow, and won't be back for several weeks. According to Michael, custom license plates in New Mexico started in 1967. The first custom license plate was "RUNCO". According to Michael, since the beginning of the program, you could get up to 7 digits (letter-numbers combination) in New Mexico. (I asked him when custom license plates started in Colorado, and he coudn't remember off-hand, but he said that the data was available on one of the websites above.) Well, according to this data, it is - at least -possible for the license plate plate to be a New Mexico custom license plate from the mid to late 1970's. (That and a buck will buy you a mediocre cup of coffee!) I was talking to my wife about this lately, and she said, "Bob, this was a long time ago.... are you sure that after all this time you could be possibly confused on the facts????" I couldn't agree with her more. I don't really know the State. I don't really know what kind of car it was. I don't remember the license plate. But, there are a few things that I am certain about: It was around 1990. I was on my way to work in the morning ( I am pretty sure that it was winter in California), and I was heading west on the US-10 freeway, and I was right underneath the US-15 freeway. The girl passed me on the right. It was in fairly slow "rush-hour" freeway traffic, average speed 35-40 MPH. She was young and attractive, and had dirty-blonde hair, short, and in fairly big curls. The license plate on her older convertible was a custom plate, and it had a very striking statement, something like "FUN-GIRL", or somewhat similar statement in mood and message. I read the article in a free ("throw-away") (not major) newspaper from Rialto (or thereabouts) about a week later. The newspaper told the following story: A young girl (20 -22?) (I seem to remember that she was a college student) had been found brutely tortured and murdered. She was from a mid-western State, like Colorado, or perhaps New Mexico. She had a car which had a striking custom license plate, and they listed what the license plate was, but I can't remember what it was, although I did at the time. The article went on to say that police were "baffled" because they had received hundreds of reports from all over the United States from people who claimed they had seen this girl in this car with this custom license plates, and that it was impossible for her to be in all these places at the same time! In particular, I remember that the article said that it was as far away as Florida where they received such reports. (As I have said earlier, I was not one of those who reported anything to anybody with regards to this case - I had just seen the girl and car a week earlier, and then read the newspaper article.) Here are a couple of things that seem strange: 1. It would seem that a gal 20-22 who would get a custom license like this would do so - perhaps - when she was 18 to 21, or so. She certainly wouldn't get it when she was about 10 years, in the mid to late 1970s!!! Could it be that she bought this older car with the custom plate from someone else??? Let's say she bought the car when she was 18, in the late 1980s. Then she would receive a plate with the custom "statement" on a new plate from the late-1980's. But that does not match the style plate and color which I seem to remember! 2. When I read this article, it certainly was not the first article on the subject. The way I would guess it would be as follows: A national news article fist came out on the story, perhaps telling about the girl being missing, and described the girl and her car and the custom license plate. Then, there was nation-wide response from this nationally published story, from people reporting that they had also seen the girl and the car (all the way to Florida, according to the story.) Then, there was the story which I read a week or so after I had seen the girl and the car. That could be why I just didn't bother to keep the story, because I figured the story was "out there", with national coverage. I had no idea that I would never be able to trace this story, and I have tried very hard. I would tend to think that I was just nuts, but I did see the girl and the car, and I did read the article about a week or so later. Bob |
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