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From: joie (Original Message)

Sent: 9/16/2002 3:13 PM

~~ Deliverance comes only by Grace ~~

I am going to show in this message that the only way of deliverance is by Grace. There is absolutely nothing but condemnation under law. Law is a YOKE of BONDAGE. Jesus came to break EVERY YOKE.

Romans 2: 12. ~~~~ For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Now that shows that even if one lives without law, and they sin, they will perish. So living without law is NOT a license to sin. We certainly do NOT believe that. But if you sin under the law, you will be judged by the law. Either way, the sinner is going to be lost.

Acts 15: 1.~~ And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

5. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

8. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9. And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

21. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

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( People try to take the above verse and say this proves they were still keeping the seventh day Sabbath; well it only proves that those Jews who had NOT accepted Jesus and Grace were still under it; the Apostles preached and worked every day. That is crystal clear in the book of Acts.). This is why it pointed out that MOSES = LAW, was being read on the Sabbath; they did not have the New Covenant.

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22. Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

23. And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

24. Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25. It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26. Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27. We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

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Now don’t you see from verse 24, that they said those who told the Christians that they must KEEP THE LAW, that they were troubling their souls and subverting them? The Apostles of the Lord Jesus told them, “We gave no such commandment to you!�? ........ PRAISE THE LORD.

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Galatians 5

1. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of BONDAGE.

2. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Now, this makes it positive that if you keep even one part of LAW, you must do it all; and that you will be judged by the law.

We also know the word teaches the law is NOT of Faith. We know there is no salvation without FAITH. If you live under the law, you fall from Grace, so Jesus is of no effect to you. So it seems very clear to me, from all these Scriptures, that anyone today willfully trying to be justified and sanctified and saved by law, is willfully turning your back on Jesus and salvation.

Look at verse 1, Paul showed that the law was a yoke of bondage which Jesus set us free from. He tells us NOT to be entangled again with this yoke of bondage.

The law demands sin be punished. There is absolutely NO MERCY under law. God CANNOT grant you mercy under law. It is His Law, which cannot be altered, which says that if you keep one part of the law, you are guilty of it all. It is His Law which demands you be punished if you break that law you are living under. Therefore, God himself, by His own law, cannot grant you mercy and forgiveness if you choose to live by law.

There is no way of mercy, = forgiveness, and deliverance from the punishment except by Grace. If you go back to law, you FALL FROM GRACE. Therefore you cheat yourself out of God’s forgiveness of your sins. So then, you must receive the damnation for your sins.

In order not to make this too long, I will do the other part in another post. I have laid the foundation for my message that there is only deliverance by Grace, by setting this truth up first that there is no deliverance or mercy under law. You must see that in order to be able to see the next part.

From: joie

Sent: 9/16/2002 3:21 PM

People, all of you, read that verse. Read it. Read it.

How do you get around this? How can you say you should be still keeping law?

Do you not realize that this is the apostles of Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, John and all the other leaders of that New Church, all of them in total AGREEMENT on this statement? This is THEIR Holy decision on this matter, of Jews, Law keepers, of that day, trying to trouble and subvert the souls of those Christians by telling them they must still keep law and Sabbaths? Do you not see this? How can you miss or overlook this?

It is just toooooo plain for you to miss it unless you just plain do not want Grace. The works of the law will not save you. Do you not realize that for all your suppossedly KEEPING THAT LAW, in the end you will lose your souls?

Listen!! Your soul will be lost this way. Read it. They told them NOT TO BE ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH LAW KEEPING-- THAT YOKE OF BONDAGE --- WHY DO YOU WANT BONADAGE--- WHEN YOU COULD HAVE FREEDOM AND SALVATION?

READ IT.

From: joie

Sent: 9/17/2002 4:08 PM

Galatians 5

1. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7. Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8. This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

This leaven he is speaking of is the law. that is the whole subject in this passage, so it is the leaven which leavens the whole lump. Paul is saying, a little law, takes completely away any grace.

10. I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

Now, did we not read in Acts 15, that those who tried to make these Christians think they had to keep the law were 'troubling' them and subverting their souls? Then this is the ones he is saying troubled them and shall bear his judgment.

11. And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12. I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

This is strong words ~~ I wish those telling you that you must keep Moses law were cut off.

13. For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

From: joie

Sent: 9/16/2002 7:31 PM

~~~ Deliverance by Grace ~~

Now I will continue to show that deliverance comes only by Grace, not by law.

Genesis 6: 5. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

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Now this is the very first time ‘grace�?is mentioned in the Word of God. Noah was the first person said to have found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

So what was this to Noah? See that the whole earth was wicked and filled with violence. They only thought of evil all the time. There was no love of God left, to speak of.

So there was enough evil and violence in the earth, that it made God sorry He had made man. So God decided to destroy the whole creation of man-kind and the other dust creatures he had made.

One family of all the earth was saved at the time of that great flood. This was the man who had found GRACE. Only by finding Grace was Noah’s family forgiven any sins they had done and delivered from being destroyed in that flood. Grace delivered him. For only by grace can we receive mercy. On in mercy can we be forgiven sins. Without this, we will be destroyed with the wicked.

The next time a great destruction is about to take place is down in Sodom and neighbor towns. You know the story, how the evil was so great and the just man, Lot was so vexed every day with all this evil which he saw around him. The angels of the Lord came and told him and his family to flee, they were going to destroy that evil place with fire.

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Gen. 19: 15. And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16. And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

17. And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

18. And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:

19. Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

Now see that the only reason Lot and his family was spared this destruction is the same reason Noah and his family was spared --- they had found GRACE in the eyes of the Lord.

Grace saved them. Only by Grace is deliverance from the punishment of sin. Only in grace is any mercy which is forgiveness.

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In Gen. 32 & 33 we are told of when Jacob is returning back to his homeland after the long stay in the land of Laban. As he approached his brother, Esau, he sent forth many cattle, sheep and other things as a gift to Esau in order to find ‘grace�?in his sight.12. And Moses said unto the Lord, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.12. And Moses said unto the Lord, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.

Remember, when Jacob left home he and Esau were very angry at each other and Esau had purposed to kill Jacob. So then, this ‘grace�?meant Esau would not harm Jacob, but would be friends.

Esau’s granting Jacob grace meant that he had forgiven Jacob and no longer held it against Jacob and he would not harm Jacob. This is grace = mercy = forgiveness. It is only possible in grace --- not law - for law DEMANDS punishment for disobedience.

Now a great surprise--- the next person said to have found GRACE in the sight of the Lord was MOSES. Yes, the law giver was not under law; the law giver was under grace.

Exodus 33: 12. And Moses said unto the Lord, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.

Israel had been in bondage and slavery in Egypt for over 400 years. There was no deliverance for them UNTIL A MAN FOUND GRACE IN THE EYES OF THE LORD.

There is no deliverance without grace. If you reject grace and cleave to Moses = law, you will have no mercy.

In verse 13, Moses prays to God, If --I -- have found grace in they sight, shew me thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in they sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.

14. And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.

15. And he said unto him, If thy presence go not with me, carry us not up hence.

16. For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.

17. And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

Here is a great thing God revealed to me here: Moses had prayed and gotten approved as to the fact that he, himself had found grace in God’s sight.

Then he proceeds to try to procure grace for the nation of Israel. But notice, that God refused to grant them grace.

See in verse 17, God said back to Moses, for YOU have found grace in my sight. He did not accept Moses�?plea for grace, or mercy from God for the nation. It was only Moses who was in grace, the nation was under law.

Look at Ex. 34:9-- Again Moses seeks for God to go among them on the grounds that he, himself alone had found grace. He did not again add “and thy people�?

Read Judges six. It is very good reading. The Israelites had sinned and God had let the Midianites oppress them and they had destroyed all Israel’s food. They destroyed the wheat in the field.

There was a man named Gideon. He had some wheat he had hid from the Midianites. See, he had the ‘hidden�?food, or manna. So an angel of the Lord came to him and told him he would deliver Israel.

Why? Because he had found GRACE in the eyes of the Lord. There is some great revelation in this chapter, but I will not go into it now.

The important thing to this message is that this is the next time in the Word someone is said to have found
grace. In this grace was deliverance for the impoverished Israel.

There is much more in the Word on this, but this is all I will teach right now. May this be a blessing to all who read it.

I am sorry about the print in the above post. the second background is not showing up. supposed to be white. I am too tired right now to change it as I did the first one. Been working at this two days. hands worn out. but maybe I can get it done later. Need to save this one.

but here is another post from that thread:

From: <NOBR>

·Spiritwalker</NOBR>

Sent: 9/21/2002 8:01 PM

Romans 5 v1

Therefore being justified by "faith", we have peace with God

through our "Lord Jesus Christ".

v2,

By whom also we have "Access by Faith" into this "grace" wherein

we stand and rejoice in hope of the glory (honor) of God.

*Access into the Gospel of God by "faith".

v3,

And not only so, but we glory (boast) in tribulations also; knowing

that tribulation worketh patience....

Grace won't work unless you have faith and you cannot access

grace unless you have faith.

"Without faith it is impossible to please God". (Hebrews 11:6)

St John 1:17

For the law was given by Moses, but "grace and truth came by Jesus Christ".

Grace and truth came by Jesus. Have faith in Jesus Christ for all things

and you will receive grace. It is not by law....Jesus had "1" law---love one another. (He also said many times, "oh ye of little faith"...and probably "sighed"....)

Hebrews 10-22&23

Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of
"faith", having our heart sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Let us hold fast the profession of our "faith" without wavering; (for he

is faithful that promised...

Acts 13:39

And by him (Jesus Christ) all that believe are justified from "all things",

from which ye could not be justified (by the law of Moses) 10 Commandments.....

I do not think you can have "grace" without having Jesus Christ first, and the Holy Spirit working in you, walking in the spirit, and yes, we must love....love fully.

Love,

"Spiritwalker"

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From: <NOBR>

Isaiah·</NOBR>

Sent: 9/21/2002 9:13 PM

Praise the Lord Spiritwalker as your verses plainly show it is only in Jesus Christ that we can receive his grace. And thanks be unto God that his grace is sufficient for us.Amen.It shows that the law was by Moses and under the law there was no grace.

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