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| Since many still believe that the Jews and all others are still different, separate and that God is dealing with us at separate times, in separate manners, I have set forth some Scriptrue solidly proving to any honest hearted person, that this is lies and simply not taught in Scripture. It is attempting to destroy the Work of Christ to bring us all, the entire world, into one body and one unit, through faith in Christ Jesus. All who still try to separate us, and say God is not dealing with Jews now, and will not save them now, and is going to take the 'church' off this world and then turn back to Jews, are trying to destroy the Work of Christ. They must all come in, just as anyone else, and become part of the body of Christ, the very same way we all do, or they will never have salvation. God brought them all back in on the Day of Pentecost. Salvation went out to the Jews FIRST. They were not cut out or off. God cut off the ones who try to live by law, and refuse Grace or Faith in Jesus. He will NEVER cut them back in. They are forever cut off. It is not because they were Jews or Gentiles. It is the same to everyone. Everyone must come in by faith in Jesus during this grace age, or be lost. There is NO DIFFERENCE IN ANYONE ANY MORE. I will solidly prove it here with pure Scripture. If you reject this much Scripture, it is simply because man's lies means more to you than God's truth. | |
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If this is not enough quoted Scripture to prove to anyone that there is no difference in anyone any more, in Christ, we are all one and the same, then you need to just forget it. and until you quote me one verse saying what you teach, that God deals with us separate, one at a time, then you must admit that you are the one teaching without a Scripture to back it up. Why are so many determined, with most everyone else. to DESTROY THE WORK OF JESUS TO MAKE US ALL ONE IN HIM? Why are you trying to separate what Jesus joined together as one? Why are you trying to destroy the work of Jesus and make it void, the work he completed to take away the veil between the Jews and all others, and make us all one? Read Romans 2: 28&29. It plainly tells us that the outward, or natural Jew, is not a Jew after all. He is the Jew who is one inwardly, by the Holy Ghost. We are the Jews who have faith in Christ. They are not. If we be Christ's, then are we Abraham's seed and heirs of the promise. (this makes us the Jew.) Show me one verse of Scripture showing that God will not and has not been willing to save anyone, Jew or Gentile, since Calvary? Where is that verse? Jesus said it is now open to the entire world. You are trying to stop this salvation going out the whole world. Why? Show me one verse saying God will take the church off this earth and turn back to Israel as a natural nation. I want to read that. | |
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| Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: | | That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. | | Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. | | Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. | | And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. | | For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. |
| They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? | | Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. | | And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. | | If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. | | I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. | | I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. | | They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. | | But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. | | Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. | | Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. | | Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. | | Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. |
Now, The above verses prove that the natural offspring of Abraham, natural Jews, are NOT the SEED of Abraham, to whom the promises of God were made. They are the children of the devil. (Why do you 'worship' them?) He said, they are not the children of Abraham. They are not the chosen, promised children or seed. He said it speaks of one SEED, not to seeds, as to many, but as to ONE, this one SEED is Christ. And if we be Christ's or belong to Christ, then are we the chosen seed and children of Abraham. We are the TRUE JEWS. We are of the heavenly JERUSALEM, from above. This is the free children, to whom all the promises of God were made. We are the people of God. Those natural 'Jews' are NOT the children or the chosen seed of God, or of Abraham. Unless they come into Christ, the New Testament way, while Grace is here, they will be LOST. There is no other way for anyone! It is the spiritual Seed of the Faith people, no matter which nation we are of. This is the TRUE DOCTRINE OF ALL SCRIPTURE. | |
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Great message Freeborn,
it's the spiritual seed of faith people that matters.
There is a quote I often hear: "He who blesses a Jew, is blessed".
And this quote finds it's origin in what God said to Abraham: "I will bless those who bless you and curse who will curse you".
But Abraham wasn't a Jew.He came out of the land of the Chaldees, right?
I find the word "Jews" for the first time in Nehemia 4: 2.
Might be different in the KJV.
Those natural Jews aren't christians, some of them perhaps.
We are part of the spiritual Jerusalem.
A question Freeborn.In Psalm 122;6 David prays for the peace of Jerusalem.
So many christians nowadays think they have to pray for the peace of the natural Jerusalem.
Is that so?What do you think?
eelya | |
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| No eelya, I do not think God is speaking of that natural Jerusalem. He said that is the bond child. It is too clear, for so many to be so mixed up on this matter. (btw, thanks for your good words). Abraham came from Chaldea and Rebekah was a Syrian. so they are a mix between the Chaldeans and the Syrians. Isaac married a Syrian and so did Jacob. It is his SEED, Christ, that is it speaking of, that all who bless this seed will be blessed. It is a sinful shame that the jews have persuaded the world to believe it is speaking of them. They are 'riding' a gift horse to death with this thing. The false churches are old jerusalem in disguise, and this is why they persuade the world that God is speaking of natural jerusalem. They use the thing of Hittler killing so many jews as a thing to get special attention the world over. Yet Hittler killed much, much more people for other nations, yet this is just glossed over. To me, it stinks. People think nothing about 'kicking' us, the true people of God, in the teeth, stomping us down, cursing us, and any other evil they can come up with, yet think they will be blessed for the bless the natural jews. It is the height of DECEPTION. God only calls the true Christians, the Israel , or the New Jerusalem of God. We are the true Jews. We are the people of God, and will be the people of God for eternity. I long for the day God will clear this evil lie up. You are one of the very few who can see through this deception. Jo | |
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| I sure thank you for this study. it seems the whole word does think the jews are the only ones God cares about. seems silly to me to put them away, as some teach, and pick up gentiles, then put the gentiles away and go back to jews. now I call that confusion. I see what you mean, that in Christ , we are all the same. now that is not confusion. we are all from the same human tree, Adam and Eve. | |
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| This is an excellent study, Freeborn! We, those who are the true children of God, are adopted into the spiritual Jerusalem.....they do not become one of us, we become them.... My father-in-law, an elder in a church, fell into this lie and was teaching that all Jews, of the "natural" Jerusalem, are automatically saved just because they are progeny of the nation and that it had nothing to do with their faith in Jesus Christ. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that all muslims are saved whether they become family among the "spiritual" Jerusalem or not, because their ancestors were Israelites. These teaching are lies and they mislead many people. Thank the Lord for His promise that before the end, there will be a reckoning and that finally, nothing but truth will be taught from His temples. | |
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| Amen to that good word, sister Purchased... You have a good understanding. It is truly a pity that so many are totally deceived in this matter. It has ALWAYS been the people of FAITH, grace, who were the true Jerusalem, the true Jews, the true People of God. And there has always been but a few of us. those natural jews were never the people or chosen of God. Only those who had grace, or faith, were of God. The vast majority have always been of law, therefore, not the chosen of God. It is the people of FAITH who are the chosen of God. The law is not of faith, therefore those under law are not the chosen of God. Glad you can see this great truth. | |
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 Freeborn,Thank-You once again for a beautiful message. Sometimes I will read only a few paragraphs of your messages and have to get a note out to you to tell you what I am thinking.
First-The Jewish people will not always be separated from the Gentiles. I believe many of the Jewish people will come to realize that Jesus is there Messiah and repent their sins. This is not going to happen over night. Both of us believe in God. But it is Jesus Christ that the Jewish people must get from under the law and realize that Jesus is the way. Until then I believe that the Jewish person will be under the penalty of being under the law that Jesus HIMSELF did away with. Tweety | |
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| Thank you in return, Tweety. I saved this beautiful picture to my hard drive. When I have some time and think of it, I will place it into one of our albums. Did not want to lose this one. Dear, Jews have always been able to come to Jesus and be saved, just as everyone else. I truly do not know what started the lie that God turned away from them and cut them off. He cut the entire OT Covenant off forever, but the people themselves had a chance to come to God through Jesus all this time. If they refuse and rebel, then they will be just as lost as all others who disbelieve. I know what you are saying though. That many of them will eventually have their eyes opened and turn to Jesus. We know they will have to come through the Book of Acts plan of salvation, just as all others do.' There is only one plan of salvation, and it is open to everyone. When God shuts grace off, it will be shut off to everyone the same. Judgment will then begin. I truly wonder if anyone in this world really knows for sure what 'nationality' of people they are? People have become so mixed up together, that I do not know if it could be known. and besides that , to God, it does not even matter. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But Jesus already told us only a few ever will. So sad. Love to ye, Jo | |
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| Freeborn, any one who reads this, should see, that we are all one in Christ. He has put no differences, between us. You have brought forth enuff scriptures in this message,that it is so easy to see, even to the unlearned. Thanks your friend Acts_2381 | |
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| And I thank you Acts. Yes, it is plain to see if only one has 'eyes' to see. You know this is the real reason no one that I have ever heard, so far, has brought forth any truth out of the Book of Daniel..... they try to interpret it from a standpoint of those natural Jews, and say it does not include Gentiles. Well, actually, the Book of Daniel, as well as all the Word of God, is not about natural Jews, as most people assume, it is about JESUS CHRIST. Someday soon, I hope to bring forth some of the things God has revealed to me out of the Book of Daniel. There is still too much I need more on, is why I have not done so as of yet. Being back at work this past year has drasticaly cut into my study time and hindered me from completing what God was showing me. But I can assure you all, it is not as Scofield and all the others claim. It is about JESUS. Just as Genesis one is about Jesus. That is why they can't get the understanding about that 'creation'. It is the new creation, the first begotten from the DEAD, Jesus Christ. That is the important clue. Jo | |
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Yes, we are all from Adam and Eve, like Rollingstone said in message 14.
I once had a discussion about races with chiristians.
Someone accused me of being an evolutionist because I said that we all descend from Adam and Eve!
this person thought that God had created all those races: white, brown,yellow,black,red.
I don't know how all there colors of skin came into being , but I know for sure what the bible says: Eve is the mother of all living.
Perhaps that these colours have something to do with the climate,don't know for sure.
But in Christ there is no diffeence between Greek, Scythe or whatever race or nationality.
And yes, Freeborn, Hitler killed many Jews, but other nationalities as well.
eelya | |
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| That is so true, eelya. I do not know about that either, for I have never seen where the word of God says. Where God is silent, I remain silent. What good is guessing? None of us can guess right about anything. Only when God shows it, can we be sure. I personally think maybe it happened when God changed their languages and scattered them over the entire earth. see he made them different there. so I figure he also changed them all over there......BUT that is not for sure. I am not sure, unless I can read it in the book. The secret may be locked up in some Scripture which does not appear on the surface to have a thing to do with it. Once, when God first started showing me the revelation about the four living creatures, I just read something in Samuel, not really expecting it to be anything of real interest.....but to my delightful surprise, that seemingly none related Scripture, held the secret of the lion face, and started me to understanding that matter, and also how to find the answers in verses which seem to have nothing to do with a thing. | |
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| From: joie2 | Sent: 5/9/2007 6:42 PM | | This is a wonderful message. I would like to say here, that the people of FAITH, the true Christians, ARE the spiritual Israel. We are born into the body of Christ, which is the true Israel. We are bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. It is totally spiritual. We are the green Olive tree, Jesus himself is the root of this tree. We are part of the tree. By One Spirit are we all BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY. This Holy Body is the Spiritual or true Israel. it has not one thing to do with what anyone is or was in the human flesh. that is nothing to God. As was stated here, we all came from Adam and Eve in the human body. Only those who follow the righteous Eve are part of the spiritual Israel. Think on this. Study the Word. Stop listening to what man tells you. Learn what the Word of God says. | |
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I moved this thread tonight, to the Grace board. It is a very good study on a very important, and almost TOTALLY misunderstood subject. So I want it moved so it will be easy to find. We do most of these, originally, on the General board. Then they roll wayyyyy back. Sometimes when I go back into the pages, I find great discussions, which I want to be easily accessible, so I move them to a special board. To any who open this thread up, you should go back to the first replies, as this is where the Scriptures are which prove this subject. The last replies and just our discussions and not the proof. So go back and read the first answers. This is a very good study. Very enlightening. JO  |
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