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| | From:  Isaiah· (Original Message) | Sent: 12/7/2003 5:01 PM |
| | | WHAT ARE YOU TEACHING?
What are your children learning from you,
As they study your actions, and all that you do?
Are they learning that Jesus is Lord of your life --
The answer to problems and heartache and strife?
Do they learn by example to keep the Lord's Day,
And meet with His people to worship and pray?
Do they learn as they watch you, to put the Lord first,
And share Him with all those who hunger and thirst?
Do you teach them to study the Bible each day;
To keep God's commandments, and watch what they say?
The time is so short -- they grow up so fast -
But all of the habits learned early will last.
Dear Parents, be careful what actions you teach,
Before it's too late, and you find you can't reach
Their hearts for the Lord, for they've gone their own way,
And made the wrong choices, and wandered astray.
A short time to teach them is given to you.
Oh, make sure your example they follow is true!
Written By: Betty Jo Mings
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. At no point was Jesus ever converted to God’s way of righteousness,(Dovey)
Larry: Matthew 3:14-16 (King James Version) 14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him |
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| And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: | | And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. |
Two simple verses, (the above) prove all churchs are teaching doctrines of devils. Jesus, in the water, saw the Spirit of God descending, (coming down)-- and lighting upon him. So now. That leaves a big problem for those who claim that this man in the water, Jesus, was God. Then if so, why did the SPIRIT OF GOD....HAVE TO DESCEND DOWN UPON JESUS? tHEY all say, that spirit of life, in this man, (his own natural spirit). was God. then what was that SPIRIT OF GOD DESCENDING UPON HIM? another god? two spirits of God? One, the life of Jesus, the other, WHAT? I tell you , neither the trinities, or the oneness folks can rightly interpret this one. It solidly proves both doctrines to be doctrines of devils. I say it again, trinity and oneness, are both doctrines of devils. Where is anyone who can come in here and prove this statement to be wrong? there are none. |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/27/2008 11:09 AM |
HIS SONSHIP HAD A BEGINNING. THEREFORE HE WAS NOT ETERNAL AS THE SON. <TWEETY> I never said He was eternal as the Son. Please read carefully. Don't insert ideas that aren't there. Don't let others tell you what you can see for yourself. Scripture says...John 1:1" In the Beginning was the WORD.......Was God and IS GOD....The Word BECAME FLESH.." It's not me saying it. The WORD became flesh. He was named Jesus (Yeshuah, Yashuah, SON of God, Savior, Messiah..etc). Sure sounds like HE was in existance in the beginning with God. DOVEY |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/27/2008 11:27 AM |
Jesus was CONCEIVED by the Holy Spirit of God. What other human was concieved by the Holy Spirit of God. He didnt' have a human father. He wasn't conceived by a human father. Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. (OOps! I forgot..you don't think the Holy Ghost is the Holy Spirit...sigh* How you come to that conclusion is puzzling.) You can't say Adam either....Because God creates through His Spirit.. Adam had no human Father or mother. God created him from the dust of the earth. If Adam and Jesus were the same....mere men....Why didn't Adam resist sin like Jesus? Satan dealt with both. DOVEY |
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Dovey, Now let us talk about the WORD "flesh". The WORD OF GOD IS OUR FLESH. GOD THE FATHER PUT HIS WORDS INTO JESUS MOUTH, AND JESUS SPOKE THEM. SO WHAT HE SPOKE IS OUR FLESH. Tweety |
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That is exactly right, Tweety. The word 'flesh', here, is not speaking about the human body. this is where the world has been misled and are misleading everyone they can. It is a total lack of studying the Word of God and just listening to the false teachers, both past and present. No where is Jesus called the Word of God. His NAME, which means his power or authority, is called the Word of God. This does not mean that the human man, whom Mary gave birth to, is the word. It means that his power came from the Word of God. God said, I will put my WORDS into his mouth, and He shall speak all that I command him. so his every word was the COMMANDS of God. Jesus verified this by saying, The WORD that I speak is NOT MINE, BUT THE FATHER'S WHO SENT ME. Dovey, nothing you have said proves that Jesus is the eternal word of God. He was not a son in heaven before his birth, for he did not exist before his birth. The WORD of God is what existed, eternally. THE WORD of God was IN THE BEGINNING, BECAUSE GOD PUT IT INTO HIM. Jesus is called THE BEGINNING. He is not called the Word. the Word was in Jesus. The Word which Jesus spoke, is the flesh, the spiritual FOOD, (flesh) which we must EAT IN ORDER TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. The reason my words seem strange to you, is that you have failed to study the Word for yourself. You only go on what your dead, false church teaches you. Do you believe there is any difference between GOD and his son, Jesus? Does it seem strange to you that there is a difference between God and Jesus? If not, why should it seem strange to think there is a difference between the Holy Spirit, (of the OT) and the Holy Ghost, (of the NT)? And if you think the Holy Spirit is the spirit working in the NT age, show it to me. If you think the Holy Ghost was working in the OT, show it to me. Stop going on what false teacher claim. Go by what is written in Scripture. If Jesus were the WORD, then tell me, how did God put his Word into the mouth of Jesus? You mean that God put Jesus into the mouth of Jesus? Now that is what should seem strange to you. Especially in the face of the fact that Jesus NEVER ONE TIME CLAIMED TO BE THE WORD OF GOD, NOR DID HE EVER CLAIM TO BE GOD. Now, again, I ask, who mothered the Son of God, who (you say), was in heaven before Jesus was born? I have certainly never denied that Jesus was conceived in the womb of Mary, by the working of the Holy Ghost. Where did you get such an idea? Jo |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/28/2008 6:08 AM |
God's word is our Flesh????  John1:1 is saying that God's Word became US???? Wow, that's way out there. Yet Scripture says..that the Flesh is against the Spirit. So how on earth can God's Word be OUR flesh??? Nope makes no sense. sorry. Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. The rest of Galatians tells us who are under the law's penalty. Not the ones who are obedient..but those who transgress it. We walk in the Spirit. If the Spirit is in us we are OBEDIENT. Not disobedient lawless children. Galatians is not contradicting. It's not saying God's children are disobedient or lawless. DOVEY |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/28/2008 6:15 AM |
Do you believe there is any difference between GOD and his son, Jesus? Does it seem strange to you that there is a difference between God and Jesus? If not, why should it seem strange to think there is a difference between the Holy Spirit, (of the OT) and the Holy Ghost, (of the NT)?<Freeborn> There is no difference between God and Jesus. Jesus said..Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. Just like it is the same Spirit in the OT and the NT. Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit are the same. Not Two Spirits. ONE Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father DOVEY |
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| From: Dovey | Sent: 7/28/2008 1:08 AM | God's word is our Flesh???? John1:1 is saying that God's Word became US???? Wow, that's way out there. Yet Scripture says..that the Flesh is against the Spirit. So how on earth can God's Word be OUR flesh??? Nope makes no sense. sorry. Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. The rest of Galatians tells us who are under the law's penalty. Not the ones who are obedient..but those who transgress it. We walk in the Spirit. If the Spirit is in us we are OBEDIENT. Not disobedient lawless children. Galatians is not contradicting. It's not saying God's children are disobedient or lawless. DOVEY |
Me: Once again, you show total ignorance and rebellion against God's truth. The reason no truth makes any sense to you is that you have no understanding of truth. You have been raised up under nothing but the lies of Satan, and his words you do believe and obey. So, who is the rebellious? who is the obedient? Are you saying that you obey God's commandments? I say you do not obey even one of them, much less all of them. The 'spirit' in you is Satan's evil spirit, who hates all truth. (You will notice the difference in my tone toward you now, that I have seen clearly, that you are not a 'deceived' child of God, who could be led into truth. I see fully, that you are a child of the devil, who hates all truth, and is an enemy to God's kingdom and his children. When I see this in a person, I then go to war with that evil enemy of God's kingdom. So now, I am at war with you. I am not trying to show you any truth, because you have proven that you want none. You are not capable of accepting any truth. Your heart is solid stone. there is no way for truth, or light, to penetrate. But I will fight your lies till you can take no more, and run back to your den to hide.) FLESH does not always mean the human body. (I speak now for any child of God, who might read this. It is the children's bread. It is not for you that I now speak. I have let you know that I am at war with you. I will fight for any true sheep of God, whom you are seeking to stumble off into hell.) FLESH also means the FOOD WHICH WE EAT. So one must be able by means of the HOLY GHOST anointing, to rightly divide the Word of God. but since you are an enemy of the Word of God, you naturally cannot understand one word of it. Jesus said, we must EAT HIS FLESH. Stop, (any sheep of God, who might read this)-- and meditate on this and pray a bit, Pray for understanding. be not rebellious, as this dovey is. So then, we see, by the words of Jesus, that this FLESH which the WORD became, is SOMETHING TO EAT. Jesus also ATE this FLESH. (did he eat his own human body? be not silly and ridiculous with God's word.) EAT THIS BOOK. EAT THIS ROLL. (of course those who never read the Scripture will not recognize these words.) EAT THIS FLESH. So is that telling someone to EAT MY HUMAN BODY? IS IT TELLING ANYONE TO EAT THE HUMAN BODY OF JESUS CHRIST? so now, miss dovey, is telling us that she is not a lawless child. but read how she does things and you will see that she is rebellious to every word of God. Give us this day our daily BREAD. I am the BREAD which came down from heaven. so it is Jesus? Do I eat Jesus? No, it makes no sense to you satanic children. God told us that the carnal mind cannot receive this things of God, FOR TO HIM, IT IS FOOLISHNESS. SEE THAT EVERY SCRIPTURE I SHOW THIS DOVEY, SHE SAYS IT MAKES NO SENSE......TO HER IT IS FOOLISHNESS...FOR SHE IS A CHILD OF THE DEVIL. |
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There is no difference between God and Jesus. Jesus said..Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. Just like it is the same Spirit in the OT and the NT. Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit are the same. Not Two Spirits. ONE Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father DOVEY
Me: Dovey does not know what she believes. In one post, she said that Jesus could have been an angel. When I mentioned this, she denied having said it and asked where she said it. she said it is not what she believes at all. So I copied and pasted her words, where she said this. In another of her post, she plainly says that God is not Jesus and Jesus is not god, but two different beings. Now she says there is no difference in them. So, are any of you going to listen to someone who is obviously so mixed up, she does not knew what she believes, herself? No difference in them....then that means she adheres to the 'jesus-only ' doctrine. she believes that Jesus is God and God is Jesus, and there is no one else. She obviously overlooks, as they all do, that the Word also says that we ARE ALL ONE. So now. does that mean that there is no difference in any of us? and she thinks she can teach the word of God? so does satan. If there is no difference, why say, I and my father. why not just say, I and I are the same one. there is no other. I am all alone. But Jesus said, I am NOT ALONE. See, again, it proves that the carnal mind cannot understand the things of God. why listen to them? They do not know what to believe their own selves. If the spirit used in the OT is no different from the one in the NT, why did Jesus say, unless I go away, HE WILL NOT COME? Why change it from HOLY SPIRIT......TO HOLY GHOST? iF SHE cannot understand the simplest of things, she most certainly cannot understand these kinds of things. she has never studied the Scriptures enough to get ANY UNDERSTANDING. SHE IS A TEACHER FOR THE KINGDOM OF SATAN. EVERY LIE WHICH HE PRONOUNCED, SHE DOES PROCLAIM. and so does all the other cults, (churches) out there. She quotes scriptures which prove nothing to her lying statements. Sure we have access to God by the same spirit. but what spirit is that? IT IS THE HOLY GHOST, WHICH SHE HATES AND WILL NOT EVEN SPEAK. You cannot go to God through any of the OT things today. Why do you suppose all of these cult's children are against the HOLY GHOST? bECAUSE it is NOW they only way to God. We must have the HOLY GHOST to come into his kingdom. So satan has an all-out war against the HOLY GHOST. How many of the 'cults' out there, are the same way? refuse to use the words, Holy Ghost? all of them, (which I know about) except the PENTECOSTALS. WE are the only ones who can use NT TERMONOLOGY. |
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| And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. |
I, (God) will FEED them, ... with their OWN FLESH.?? and they shall be drunken with their OWN BLOOD. How is God going to feed those oppressors with their OWN FLESH? dO YOU really have any spiritual understanding? I think not. The carnal mind cannot receive the things of the spirit of God. |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/29/2008 1:32 AM |
FLESH does not always mean the human body. (I speak now for any child of God, who might read this. It is the children's bread. It is not for you that I now speak. I have let you know that I am at war with you. I will fight for any true sheep of God, whom you are seeking to stumble off into hell.)<Freeborn> Do you seriously think mere humans have the power to send another human to an ever burning Hell fire? If people have that type of power..than we have no hope now do we? Why are you so dramatic? Me: Dovey does not know what she believes. In one post, she said that Jesus could have been an angel. When I mentioned this, she denied having said it and asked where she said it. she said it is not what she believes at all.<Freeborn> For someone who accuses me of twisting your words, you sure do a very good job of it. I never said Jesus was an Angel. I'm glad you reposted it too..so that people can see I didn't say such a thing. I believe Jesus is the Son of God....He is God. I believe God is a Family. God the Father and God the Son. A family relationship there. I don't believe God's Holy Spirit is a 3rd person. I'm not Trinitarian or Oneness. You even said both of those beliefs are false. Jesus and the Father are one because they are a Family. Just like our families are ONE family..with many members. The Household of God is a family. Don't you think that is the reason He created us to be families??? Don't you see the analogies used in Scripture about Jesus being the head of His church just like a human man is the head of His wife & family..etc? What about believers becoming the "sons of God"??? What about when Jesus says...."you are my brother, sister, mother"???? Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? Matthew 12:50 "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Family terms. I think all this confusion with "who God is" would be resolved if we just took what God says in Scripture instead of inventing our own ideas. DOVEY |
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Dovey, I see you cannot understand simple speech. Why do you distort everything which is told to you? I have never said one word about having power to send anyone to hell. Nor do I wish to have that on me. I simply go by what the Word of God teaches. I do not make up stuff. I go by what is WRITTEN, NOT WHAT SOME CULT CHURCH SAYS. I happen to know that people who cannot and will not accept God's chosen plan of salvation are headed to hell fire. If any of them can find a place of repentance and accept the true word of God, fine. Then they may not end up in hell. But if they refuse the Truth all their lives, as you are doing right now, they are headed to a sure hell. I am not the least bit confused as to who God is, or who Jesus is or who the Holy Ghost is. You are confused, because you do not study the word of God and go by what it says. the law blinds people. the Word teaches this. So long as you try to live under law, and do not study the Word, you will stay confused. It is certainly true that God did not cause your confusion. Your false teachers did that for you. You accept false doctrine, instead of searching the Scriptures, as Jesus told us to do. such as, God the son. Now, when you can show me that term in Scripture, you might come out of this delusion you are lost in. p.s. I will give you a clue--- there is no such term in God's word, for there is no such person, as God the son. It is not scriptural. The son is not God. blank, blank! why do you invent ideas of your own? That is not the way to try to serve God. I am not guilty. I am not the one who is confused. I am not one bit confused. and yes, you did say, couldn't Jesus have been one of the angels. see you are too confused to know what to believe. yet you proceed to try to say how it is, as if God sent you with the truth to teach. You have no truth. You should study and listen to what I am teaching, for every word of it is WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE. But no. it is not old law, so dovey cannot listen. must listen to your false teachers, who have not a clue. denying the Holy Ghost.~ (did Paul say God was a phantom? he spoke of the Holy Ghost all the time. now that is mass confusion. you know more than Peter did! holy ghost means a phantom god. such foolish junk!) Jo |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/29/2008 9:32 AM |
"Son of God"....."God's Son"....part of God's Family.... You keep saying not to listen to teachings of men. Have you ever been to a church that teaches God is a Family? In the Bible the word for God in the Hebrew that is most often used is Elohim. It is a plural noun. Even though the term "God the Son" is not in Scripture the fact still remains....that Jesus is the Son of Elohim which makes Him Elohim. Elohim is Hebrew for God. No,I'm not saying Jesus is the Father either. The relationship between Jesus and God is that of Son to Father. When Jesus taught His disciples to pray, they were to address God, not by His name, but by their relationship to Him: "Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name." God is a Family. Our relationship with God is of a son and Father. "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is" (I John 3:2). Dovey |
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Dovey, God does HAVE a family, of which the true ones, who receive the Holy Ghost, are his children.......BUT......God, himself is not the 'family'. If you say God IS a family, then you are saying that every member of the family is God. God is a KINGDOM. That KINGDOM is made up of many, many, (inumerable) members. No, Just because Jesus is God's son, does not make Jesus be God. The SON kingdom is HUMAN. The God kingdom is Spirit. Jesus is of the HUMAN KINGDOM. He was GIVEN a place in the God kingdom, after his resurrection. You are your mother's daughter.....does this make you be your mother? It is so silly to say such things. IT IS ALSO SIN, FOR YOU ARE ADDING MAN'S WORD, TO GOD'S WORD. If God did not say it, men had better not say it. God COMMANDED us not to add to his word. you are so hooked up on ten commandments, that you ignor the thousands of other COMMANDMENTS. Each one of God's commandments is just as important as any other, for it is all the Word of the Same God. You cannot pick and choose which of God's commandments you will decide to believe and obey. for if you do, you are thus DISOBEYING GOD, AND DISBELIEVING GOD. One of his commandments does not make up all there is to God. You said in one of your posts, that Jesus was a son of God, in heaven before he was born. Now you have brought forth NO SCIPTURE to prove this false statement with. I ASKED YOU, WHO MOTHERED THAT SON. YOU GAVE ME NO ANSWER. SO NOW I ASK AGAIN, IF YOU THINK THAT IS TRUE, WHO WAS HIS MOTHER? THEN? iF HE were a son, he had to have a mother. No son is his father. It is a ridiculous statement. It has no Scripture to back up this foolish statement. Jo |
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