Here are some of the answers that I got from the question I posted on Christian Discussion. It is getting scary!  Tweety

 

From: <NOBR>EJM_Missouri</NOBR>

Sent: 3/28/2008 7:25 PM

Check out the Genesis Commentary thread - click the links to the relevant posts below.   Post  14  Genesis 1:26-27 Post  20  Genesis 2:4-5 Post  21  Genesis 2:7 Post  25  Genesis 2:21-25

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From: <NOBR>SEB1625</NOBR> Sent: 3/28/2008 7:25 PM Hi Linda,    There could be a long drawn out exposition but here it is easily said. God created Adam. Then He took a rib out of Adam and created Eve. So in short this is the beginning of man (mankind).    Men and women are known in the Bible as mankind. Whenever one reads the Bible they should read it as a practical book in which every word is absolutely true and God breathed and inspired.     Also when the Bible says man, men, he, him etc.., God means just that. When He says woman, women, her, she etc.., He means just that. God is quite capable of saying just what He means.    I see no where where He created twicw in this short spave between the chapters and verses.    True there were two times if that is what you're referring to. The time when HE created Adam first, then created Eve but they should never be considered as two creations of mankind. Brother Steve

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From: <NOBR>Tweety134</NOBR> Sent: 3/28/2008 7:46 PM Brother Steve, God Created Man & Women TOGETHER in HIS Image and Likeness. Now if you are trying to say that GOD IS FLESH AND BONES AND HAS BLOOD running through his veins. Then you are wrong. Man today has never been in GOd's Image. Except Jesus Christ. And that happened after he was resurrected from the grave. We are made in Adam's image. Sinful man. That is the image that we are born in. NOT GOD's!  Tweety

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From: <NOBR>Acquitted</NOBR> Sent: 3/28/2008 7:48 PM One creation Tweety, and one being formed from the dust of the ground, thereby confining us to planet earth.      Thomas

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From: <NOBR>grafhanny</NOBR> Sent: 3/28/2008 7:57 PM Hi Tweety,   He didn't create man and woman together.  Adam was first created and then some time later, Eve.  Adam was created in the image of God and so was Eve, because God formed her from the side of Adam, and the two became one flesh.    "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."  Gen 1:27.    He did not create them in his physical image.  God is a Spirit and has no physical image.    Jesus was not created in God's image. Jesus was not created.  He was incarnated. Jesus IS God.  "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God."  John 1:1.    Why are you denying what God clearly said?    And what is your scripture for your erroneous conclusion?

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From: <NOBR>Tweety134</NOBR> Sent: 3/28/2008 8:12 PM OK: How can God have created man and Women Together in Gen: 1:26-27. Please read this very carefully. God Created man and women together at the same time in Gen 1:26-27. As you can draw from the verse below.   Genesis 1:26-27 (KJV) 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Now please answer me this question. If God made man and women together which is clearly indicated above, then how did man become ALONE (BY HIMSELF) in Gen. 2:18? Genesis 2:18 (KJV) 18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.   This clearly looks like Adam was alone. What happened to the women that was made in Back in Gen 1:26-27? Answer that question please! Oh Never mind-I found the answer: The Women was turned into a rib inside of Adam, I wonder when that happened? Well anyway-it looks like in Gen 2:21-23 God had to create women all over again from the rib of Adam. Here let me show you. Genesis 2:21-23 (KJV) 21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Now if these verses do not make you think that there were 2 diffrent creations. I think we all need to study some more.  Tweety

Tweety, you are exactly right, they are 2 different creations.

 

The first creation is the spiritual one. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

The man and woman in chater 1 is showing Jesus Christ and his wife, the bride of Christ. That is the spiritual body

 

The 2 chapter is  a natual body, like we have now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi again, Tweety.

 

I took a look at Bishop's board to see what Beffers had said to you.  Here it is:

 

From: Beffers

Sent: 3/29/2008 12:15 AM

Hi Tweety! Long time between conversations. How are you? I pray you aren't still absorbing Joie's nonsense.     Now if you will read these passages very closely you will see that God made Man and Women together in HIS image.   The verse doesn't say God made them 'together.' It just says He made them. You assume they were made together for which I'm surprised since Genesis 2 explains the creation. And if you do not believe the Scriptures contradict themselves then you should never have come to your conclusion in the first place. Genesis 2:7,18, 21-23 does not contradict Genesis 1:26-27 nor does it suggest two creations but supplies detail of Adam and Eve's creation. Simply put, they were "made…at the beginning" (Matt. 19:4). As previously mentioned, you must realize that the account in chapter one does not say or assert that Adam and Eve were created together or at the exact same moment. However, both Adam and Eve were created on day six (Gen. 1:24-31). Chapter two supplies the detail that Adam was made from the dust and Eve from a "rib" of Adam (Gen. 2:7;21-22). Chapter two also presents information as to Adam's loneliness that "precipitated" God forming Eve (Gen. 2:20). That should have told you their creations were distinct and seperate. Do not try to interpret one verse apart from the other verses that pertain to the same subject. To do this invites doubt and uncertainty as to the validity of God's word and can (and does) lead you to false conclusions.   Now right there that is two creations of man and women. And I just proved it with scripture.   Actually the Scriptures themselves proved your conclusion wrong.   Nice to see you again!!!

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After the chapter one creation was FINISHED,  God said this: 

Ge 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

See, there was NOT a man.....to till the ground.

see that in chapter one, God created the birds and whales and fish, (all creatures which live in water)..on day five. 

On day six, he FIRST created all the animals,  then Adam and Eve.  it does not make any time distinction here, between the creation of Adam and Eve.  For anyone to say there is,  is to add things to the Word, which God did NOT say.

Beffers claimed that Adam was lonely and that is why God decided to make Eve.  But not one word is mentioned in Scripture saying that Adam was lonely.  That is NOT why God made Eve.

But notice that God had ALREADY formed Adam, or man, from the dust of the ground.  Then he does this next:

Ge 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Ge 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Ge 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

See, here is the SOLID PROOF that chapter one creation is NOT THIS CREATION IN CHAPTER TWO.  The first thing God formed here, in cp. 2, was  man.

Then he said it is not good that the man be ALONE.  this proves that Eve was not present yet, and neither were any animals or birds present.  Adam was all ALONE.

  God said I will make him an helpmeet.  But then...

God created all the fish, the birds and the animals, of THIS creation.  He then brought ALL OF these animals to Adam for Adam to name.

THEN....it says:

Ge 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Now see, here is the SOLID PROOF that this is entirely DIFFERENT from chapter one.

God had made all the animals BEFORE he made either the man or the woman, which he made together,  (no time laspe is given there, and no way to make one)...

But here, in chapter two, he made the MAN first....AND HE WAS ALONE.......THEN GOD MADE ALL THE BIRDS AND ANIMALS......AFTER THE MAN......AND BROUGHT THEM TO THE MAN FOR ADAM TO NAME........BUT THERE WAS STILL NO  HELPMEET FOR ADAM.

So, here, man was made first....then animals and birds.....then last of all,  WOMAN.

Now how in this world can any sensible, right thinking person not see that there is no way this matches chapter one?  It cannot be the same creation.  If anyone thinks it is,  they must call this account in Gen. one and two, a lie.

Isa 50:3 I clothe the heavens with blackness, and I make sackcloth their covering.

 

The heavens were those original people, in the image of God.  They were the anointed cherub.

sackcloth is this human flesh.

it is the blackness.  see what took place?

 

Isa 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the veil that is spread over all nations.

 Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

It proves that coming out of death into victory means getting rid of the covering cast over all people.  This human, dust frame, is the veil that is spread over all nations.

How else could it be linked with death being swallowed up in victory?

Isa 28:2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

Isa 28:3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:  (this is Adam's pride, his 'before the flood, kingdom', and it is Satan being trodden under feet.  It happened at the flood).

 

Isa 28:4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up. (the glorious beauty, was Adam in his first state, the anointed cherub.  It faded when he was placed into this earth body.)

Isa 28:5 In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people.  (This is when the NT came in.  It changed into the glory of the LORD.)

Tweety, I could not find that scripture I was going to show you about the time of the flood, because I thought it was in Isaiah. 

I found it in Ezekiel.

I am now seeing some great and deep truths and more solid proof of this matter, but it will take another full message to get this across.

 

As I am too tired to do it this late tonight, I will just wait and try to do it tomorrow.  Got so much 'stuff' going on right now to try to get worked out, that it is getting harder and harder for me to work here right now.

 

But this is truly great. 

I will give you this now, though.  This is the one I was telling you about on the phone.  Study this and see what you get out of it,  ANYONE.

 

Freeborn,

I meant to comment on this before I left for work. I read it about 4 times over and over. I see Jesus and Adam. See God was saying when Jesus went down to the grave. That means when he died. God caused a mourning. See there had to be moruning where Jesus died. The Jews were in mourning because they realized that it was the MESSIAH they killed. There was also a mourning in the people that believed in JESUS. He covered the deep. The ocean stopped flowing or something.

I see the Lebanon in the WORD alot. I will have to study that word to see how it is important. I believe the trees of the field are the righteous people that followed Jesus and the gospel.

 

Eze:31:16 All nations to shake at the sound of his fall. This is Jesus.  When I cast him down to hell with them, that decend into the pit. It is Adam, that it what he cast down to hell with the ones that followed his ways of sin and rebellion. All the trees of Eden.

Why should GOD or Eden need the trees anymore? I think this will happen when Jesus sets up his kingdom. That verse is future.

 

Eze.31:17. This is speaking about the ones that followed Adam's spirit. Evil and violent people. If you live by the sword you shall die by the sword. And they shall dwell right there with Adam(The heathen).

 

Eze:31:18 These are rich and powerful people. The ones that say in there heart that there is no GOD. They shall be brought down with the trees of Eden. They shall reside with the ones that do not believe in GOD.

 

I have been thinking about those verses all day. And what they mean. You should have seen me this morning. But I had to leave. But you have it now.  Tweety

Tweety, that is good thinking, or rather receiving revelation.

 

I had never seen this as being Jesus until I was writting a message, think it was on one of the days in Genesis.  (dont know for sure).  But as I was writting it, God gave me the revelation of this being about Jesus.

 

I had always seen it as being when he sent the flood.  And I know that is one side of the revelation.  But as you show, there are two sides or more, to this.

 

But this is the Scripture which leads me to believe that the people did not leave Eden until that flood.

 

Lebanon in Scripture stands for Eden.  It shows that Garden.

those trees were the different nations of people who lived in that Garden, before the flood.

Verse 16:  It pertains to both Adams.  first man, Adam, was cast down to hell and his kingdom fell, in that flood. All nations of this earth shook at the sound of that fall.

But then, when Jesus died on that cross, he also was Adam falling.  He was first-man, Adam, just as much as the first one, because he was a MORTAL MAN.

 

all mortal men are first-man Adam.  Jesus took that form of sinful man into hell and did away with it.  At the time of his death, this whole earth fell apart, as it did when the first Adam fell in that flood.

 

Now mind you, the one we call Adam was already dead at the time of the flood, but all men were Adam.  So it was ADAM who died in that flood.

 

As in Adam all die.

 

 

Jesus died in Adam.

 

But in Christ shall all be made alive.  That is the resurrected Son of God, no longer in the image of Adam, sinful man.

 

The nations shook at the sound of his fall.  the heavens turned black, the sun stopped shinning, the earth shook, the rocks rent.......why cannot people see this?

 

Tweety, you are beginning to see into the secrets of God.

So is jon.  Glad to see it.  you are both blessed by God.

....all that drink water.....refers to the Christians.  We are drinking at the living fountain of water of life.  We are the ones who have the COMFORTER, THE  HOLY GHOST.

 

We are comfortered in this natural life, by his Spirit.

 

the TREES are peoples.  They all fainted, or DIED, for Adam, when he fell in that flood.  They also died, except for those eight.

 I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed

 

That is speaking of when God stopped the rain and let the earth dry up again.  That is all that the GREAT WATERS could be referring to.  restrained the floods....that is what he is speaking about.

this is exactly why I say men did not leave the Garden of Eden until that flood.  I fully believe that society lived on in that Garden until that flood.

 

This is why there were so many people in that Garden.  They had multiplied to millions.  Only God knows how many.  But 'they' went out of that garden, in that ARK.

 

the rest fainted, or died.