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From: joie2  (Original Message)Sent: 10/17/2007 9:42 PM

~~ Phillip’s teaching ~~

The false ‘Jesus-only�?doctrine relies heavily upon What Jesus told to Philip, in John 14. So let’s examine this for a bit.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

The deceived church claims that Jesus told Philip here that he is the Father. And of course if you just read this in a casual manner instead of searching the Scriptures, as Jesus told us to do, it could very well seem that this is what Jesus was saying. He that hath seen me hath seen the Father, how sayest thou then, Show us the Father. Sure, that could certainly seem that Jesus was saying I am the Father. But was this truly what Jesus was saying?

Examine it a bit for full proof. First, read verse 6. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Now to those who claim that Jesus is the Father, what sense does this make? Is Jesus really saying you cannot come to me but by me? Of course not. Jesus is not crazy! If you had known me, ye should have known my Father ALSO. Now if Jesus is his own Father, why did he say ALSO? Also, means in addition to. So he is saying that by knowing or seeing the works of Jesus, you should have also known his Father, for he said, the Father that dwelleth in me, He, (NOT myself, HE) doeth the works. So Jesus was not claiming to be doing his works by his own power or life. He said it is my Father doing these works and so by these works you should have understood or seen the Father. No man hath seen God at any time. So this seeing here has to be understanding the Father.

The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of myself. So the words were the Father’s words. So when he said Have I been so long time with you, and yet thou hast not known me, it was the words of the Father. He that hast seen me has seen the Father. Now is this Jesus claiming to be his own Father? Of course not. He had already explained that the works he did should have shown them the Father. So he is saying that when you see the works I do, it shows you the Father, because the Father dwelling in me is doing the works. Now Philip fully understood what Jesus was telling him. These churches today do not understand what Jesus was telling Philip and the others.

So how do we prove that Philip did not go away thinking that Jesus is the Father? Simple. Go to what Philip preached.

Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

Ac 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

Ac 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

Ac 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

Ac 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? Ac 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Ac 8:32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

Ac 8:33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

Ac 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

Ac 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. Ac 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Ac 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Ac 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Ac 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Ac 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

This eunuch knew nothing about Jesus Christ when Philip joined himself to his chariot. He was reading in Isa 53. He asked Philip if Isaiah were speaking of himself or some other man. This proves that the man knew nothing about Jesus. Philip began at the same Scripture and preached Jesus to this man. So, how do we know what Philip taught the man? By the man’s on confession of belief.

They came to some water. The man asked to be baptized, proving that Philip had taught the man that Baptism is a necessary part of salvation. Philip said if you believe with all your heart, you may be baptized. What did the man say he believed?

Ac 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

The man said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the SON OF GOD. He did not say, I believe that Jesus is God.

So this proves that Philip had taught this man that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. It is the very same revelation which Peter had declared and Jesus had verified is the true revelation from the Father, and is the true foundation on which he builds his Church. Are you on the right foundation? Not if you believe that Jesus Christ is God. None of the Apostles taught this doctrine. And this proves that Philip did not take Jesus�?words to mean that Jesus was the Father. This is NOT what Philip taught the eunuch.

By: Jo Smith ~~~ October 17, 2007



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From: joie2Sent: 10/19/2007 12:29 AM
<NOBR>Ac 8:6</NOBR> And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/31/2007 4:57 AM
Warning!!
Be very careful of the 'split-Jesus' doctrine.  what is it?
the false Jesus-only ,  Jesus is God, and there is no other.  definitely anti-Christ doctrine.
 
Jesus' outside, or body, was fully human.....
His inside or his own mind/spirit/soul, was God.
 
In other words,  God was not IN Christ.  His insides was God.
 
Lots of difference.  Certianly NOT Apostolic doctrine.
 
Not one single disciple taught such a false doctrine....as a split-Jesus.   Neither will I.   Nor will I believe it.
What about you?  Will you allow their lies to take you to hell?
 
You know that history shows that the early Pentecostal men agreed to split and let some of them start organizations using the different ideas.   = trinity and jesus-only?  It is true.  I have read the history of this.
 
All those men just sat down together and SURMISSED, and decided on some doctrine to start an organization with.
 
It got its start exactly as the trinity did.... = a group of unanointed men just deciding on some doctrine.
 
neither of them had any revelation from God.  It was totally satanic....to bring about confusion and  DIVISION.  to cause this religion to  FALL.