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(1 recommendation so far) Message 1 of 12 in Discussion 
From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 6/17/2002 9:51 PM

 Romans 12:1--I Beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your  BODIES a  LIVING  SACRIFICE,  holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

v 2~~~ and be not CONFORMED to this world:  but be ye  TRANSFORMED  by the renewing  of your  MIND,  that ye may  PROVE  what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect,  will of God.

Now, as a child, I had a pastor whose wife worked extensively with us children.  We were blessed in this area.  She taught us to memorize this Scripture above.  I can still hear her saying this over and over to us.

 

 

Now I ask each of you, to study this and find the depth of the true meaning here.  What do you think is involved in this passage?  what do you think it means to present  your BODIES   a living sacrifice,  holy, acceptable unto God.

Funny, though, this same preacher always taught us also, that we could never be  HOLY  IN  OUR  BODIES.  He said we would always sin every day;  he said we could not keep from sinning every day.  We were taught that we can only be partly , never truly holy and perfect  in our spirit.  But never even a bit in our body.

Now this seems to be quit contrary to say the least, don't you think?

What does it mean to renew your mind, and in so doing this will transform us?

What does it mean to not be conformed to this world?   Do you know what conforming  means?

Then, what does it mean to be transformed,  and by being transformed, we will prove what is that good, and  ACCEPTABLE, AND PERFECT, will of God?

Should we be working steadily each day to fulfill this Scripture?

Look around you at the ';WORLD';  what do you see?  Are you conforming?  Or being transformed?

Which way does God accept and expect?

I do hope to see some of you get into this discussion.

Jo

p.s. those of you who receive the messages in your e-mail, may need to highlight these written in white;  for I do not know if the background shows up that way;  if it does not, just highlight the message and it will show up.

 


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(1 recommendation so far) Message 2 of 12 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/21/2002 3:47 PM

Be ye Transformed~~~~
Be ye Separate~~~~~~

  
 

 ~~~~Genesis 49~~~

049:022 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
049:023 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
049:024 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
049:025 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
049:026

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

 

In the above Scripture, Joseph is also a type of Jesus.  This prophecy is about Jesus; as well as telling about history of Joseph.

v23--shows that the others around Joseph hated him and 'shot ' at him because he was separate from them.  He was spiritual whereas they were carnal.  Those born after the flesh always hate and persecute those born after the spirit.

But Joseph was strong in the Lord; therefore He was the overcomer and the one blessed.  This came to him because he separated himself from the world around him and refused to go after sin.  He lived a clean, holy life.  This was his victory.

The hirelings of today tell you that you do not have to be separtae from the world; but they are deceiving you into missing the blessing of being the overcomer.  All the promises to the churches are to the ones who overcome.  Overcome  what?

Overcome the world around you.  Unless you cross their ways and be ye a peculiar, different people, you will never be in the Bride of Christ.

v26--....unto the uomost bound of the everlasting hills: (heaven)--they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

Now, is not this the same which Paul states that we are to present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God?

~~~~More to come~~~~

 

 

 

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 Message 3 of 12 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/22/2002 4:48 AM

 

 

 TRANSFORMED !!!!!   A BEAUTIFUL WORD!!!!

But what does it mean?  Well, let's see.

He said by the renewing  of your mind.

Ephesians 2:3---Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the MIND; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

So, here we see that the thing we are to get out of is the old way of  thinking;  of doing things; of fulfilling the desires of the flesh and mind.

So, in order to renew the mind, we would need to totaly re-do, or change our minds by studying and obeying the Word of God.

So, there must be a starting place.  Let's take off here in Ephesians.

cp.4:23--and be renewed in the spirit of your MIND.  (now this means to change how you think).  Bring every thought into captivity to subjection to Christ.

v24--And that ye put on the  NEW MAN, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

So, this shows that we must become a new creature;  we must walk in righteousness and true holiness.

As we go along, we will point out from the Word, exactly what holiness is.

  

 

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 Message 4 of 12 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/22/2002 6:27 PM

   

 

 Eph. 4:25 ~~~~ Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour:  for we are members one of another.

v26~~~ Be ye angry, and sin not:  let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

v27~~~Neither give place to the devil.

v28~~~~ Let him that stole steal no more:  but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

v29 ~~~~~ Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

 men.

And let all the people say  AMEN.

Take it a little at a time ~~~ see these things we are to add daily to our walk in the Lord.  Work on these things if you want to be Holy unto the Lord.  Without Holiness, no man shall see the Lord.  Be not deceived by 'vain' talkers. = those who say yes you can;  You can sin all the time and still be a Christian.  NO, you  CANNOT.

Do not tell lies.  All lyars shall have their part in the lake of fire. 

Do not steal;  but rather work to have to  GIVE ~~  for 'giving' is the  MARK  OF  GOD;  this is the MARK OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN.

Do not let your anger at someone cause you to sin or do evil.  God will reward you for your evil.

Keep your conversation Holy;  do not speak of evil, and dirty jokes or such things.  God will not continue to put up with such conduct from those who claim to belong to Him.

Practice speaking for the good of those who hear you.  This will increase your strength in Holiness.

~~~~~More to come~~~

 

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 Message 5 of 12 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/23/2002 8:28 PM

Ephesains 4 & 5:  ~~~

004:030 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
004:031 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
004:032 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

005:001 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
005:002 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
005:003 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
005:004 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
005:005 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
005:006 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
005:007 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
005:008 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
005:009 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
005:010 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
005:011 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
005:012 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
  
 

 

"And some save by fear,  pulling them out of the fire", hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

We are speaking here of being transformed into the image of Christ.  Let no man deceive you into thinking that you can just 'believe' on him;  and go on in your old way of life and make it into the Pearly Gates.  It is just not taught in the Word of God.  You must be changed from the old man, into the new man.  This is done by renewing your mind by the Word.

Now, I will probably say some things which most will not like;  but this is the only way to save them from the fire.  They hate him that sitteth and rebuketh in the gate.

Verse 31 tells us to put away all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, clamour, and evil speaking.  This is a command from the Lord.  Sitting around on Saturday or Sunday will get the job done.  You must work at cleaning up your thoughts and your words.

Be kind and forgiving to each other.

Walk in Love.

5:3~ Be no fornicator or unclean, covetous person.

v4~ Have no filthiness, nor FOOLISH  TALKING [wow! this hits the spot, right?]~~

Verse 5~ Know that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man hath an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ.

Strong words,  right?  Better take heed to them;  if you desire to make it into the Kingdom;  for here he says impathecially that those guilty of these things   WILL  NOT  MAKE  IT IN.  Better believe the Word instead of your hirelings.

V6~ these things brings God's wrath on people;  it is vain to think not.  Be not even partakers with them.

v11--Have no fellowship with them.

v12--Do not even speak of the things they do;  it is a shame to do so.  That just about cuts off the 'listening to and telling the news, right?'

Let's all work toward being  TRANSFORMED!

 

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 Message 6 of 12 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/25/2002 12:58 AM
   
 

In this message I will show by the Word of God that we are to be Holy in our outward man, as well as the inward man. Too many Babylon religions are teaching that it does not matter how we do on the outside; or in the body.

1Peter 1:14 ~~ As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

v15 ~~~~~ But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

v16 ~ Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Now this Scripture is clearly speaking of how we ‘fashion�?ourselves. Some say that this is unimportant; but I ask you, who decides what is important --- God or people? I think the answer is obvious. And if God did not consider this important, it would not be written in His Word.

He called the way they once fashioned themselves as a manner of lusts and of IGNORANCE Now, this is pretty strong language. He said to not fashion yourself in the old manner is being OBEDIENT CHILDREN. The willing and OBEDIENT shall eat the good of the land.

So go back to way you were before you came to be a ‘Christian?�?~~~~~~ look around you at the worldly people today ~``````` how do they ‘fashion�?themselves? How do the worldly women dress? How do the men do? Look at the hair of each one ~~~~ then consider how you fashioned yourself BEFORE. Are you changed? Are you conforming to the world or are you transformed?

When the women of the world all wear pants (that which pertains to a man) are you not conforming to the world to dress this way? Then why do you desire to do this? Be ye Holy for I am Holy.

When the women of the world all cut their hair, are you not conforming by cutting your hair off; when you know that the Word said it is not comely for a woman to pray to God uncovered?

God called this IGNORANCE.

 

 

 

 
   
 

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 Message 7 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nickname·SpiritwalkerSent: 6/25/2002 1:17 AM
Because, Galatians Chapter 1 verse 6:
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto "another gospel:"
7:  Which is not another; but there be "some that trouble in you" and would "pervert the gospel of Christ.
This is perverted religions...they teach the same "gospel" but they add to or change things to suit their own doctrines and guidelines they follow in their rule books....
We have "1" rule book, one doctrine, one guideline to follow...one gospel.  How did they manage to pervert the gospel and people not see it?  So many things are so close to being the same and then again,,,,they are not.....
unto another gospel which is not another.....but there be some trouble in you and would pervert the gospel of Christ.....
Big stop signs should be going off....
Love,
"Spiritwalker"
 
 

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 Message 8 of 12 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/25/2002 2:07 AM

 How do some suppose that God is not interested in how we conduct  and adorn ourselves?  Do they suppose that as our LORD, he has no right or authority to tell us how and what to do?  How could one ever come up with such a foolish thought about God?

Let's take this a step further: 

1Peter 3.....speaking to wives... v3~~~~~ Whose  ADORNING  let it NOT be that OUTWARD adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

v4~~But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

v5~For after this manner in the old time the HOLY WOMEN also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands.

Now this shows that our  ADORNING is not to be the OUTWARD adorning which the world dotes so much on.  We are not to seek to make ourselves so 'beautiful and sexie' on the outside.  This is not beautiful to God;  it is only to the world.

He brought in the way of fixing the hair;  of wearing jewels, and of the kind of clothes to wear.  So, all of this is included in the 'outward adorning'.  He said not to do it this way.  He said to adorn ourselves with a quiet meek spirit.  This is that spirit of OBEDIENCE.  But obedience to what?

To the Word of God;  not the word of man = the world.

This is Peter's word;  now let's see what Paul had to say about this.

1Tim. 2:9 ~~~In like manner also, that women  ADORN themselves in MODEST APPAREL, with shamefacedness [that quiet, meek spirit] - and sobriety;  NOT  WITH  BROIDED  HAIR, OR GOLD,  OR PEARLS,  OR COSTLY ARRAY.

v10~~ But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Now I ask you,  is not this the very same thing Peter said?  See the costly array refers to the putting on of apparel which Peter spoke of.  The gold, and pearls speaks of the jewels which Peter spoke of.  The broided hair speaks the same thing Peter said about plaiting the hair.

Now, in the mouth of two witnesses let every word be established.  I think these two apostles are enough of a witness to establish this matter.


I would like to ask you, Spiritwalker to please explain a little clearer what you are referring to.  It is really a little hard to see if you are speaking of my message or the message of the world churches in having a perverted gospel.

I assume if any others read this, they might also find it hard to distinguish which you mean.  If you are referring to my message, I think it should be made clear;  and if you are in agreement that the babylon church system is the one which preaches a perverted gospel, let us know.

Thank you for your participation here.

Love to you,

Jo 

 
   

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 Message 9 of 12 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/25/2002 3:05 PM
Good morning.  It is a a lovely day today.  Praise the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
This is a test.

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 Message 10 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nickname·SpiritwalkerSent: 6/26/2002 12:33 AM
The scriptures just came to my thought because of the hair and clothes you spoke of.  It appears that today, churches have the "gospel" and it is the "same gospel", but they have chosen to pervert it.  Many women do not know why many women wear long hair....many do not understand why they wear long skirts, other than they are of that "funny religion".  They go to their churches and out-do everyone else there with all the gold, pearls, etc.  and that is ok with me...God made these things, gold and pearls....and to tell the truth, He also made color and this world is not black and white.  Some women look better with makeup on....didn't mean to go there.
But, the fact remains, the "gospel" has been perverted, as you said of a babylon church system, and they think it is ok.....because they have been told it is ok.....but we will see many "fall away", and the church that Jesus is coming back for, is not large.  They are a strange people, persecuted as He was, but full of the "Gospel of Jesus Christ" and believing in Him and not the churches or the attendees who believe in the perverted way.  I almost died in a church....thanks be to God, I'm out! 
Today, there are a few people looking to find the truth, and piece by piece, we will find the truth. 
By the way, this hair and clothes thing that women and men are so concerned about comes from the tv and magazine ads of what today's Americans should be wearing and looking like...all for filthy lucre!..a sales pitch that works. Jesus had a better sales pitch, "Follow Me!".
Love,
"Spiritwalker"
 

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From: joieSent: 6/26/2002 2:46 AM
Dear Spiritwalker,
 
You are well on your way;  and I am not rebuking you in the least.  I just want to point out something.  You said some women look better with make-up on.  Well, that is the 'outward' adorning which both Apostles said NOT to have.
 
I do not think they look better that way; not to me;  and not to God.  Make-up eventually 'washes' out a woman's true color and beauty;  plus much of the ingredients are cancer causing.
 
God said he would  BEAUTIFY his people with Salvation.  Every woman whom I have ever seen who had truly received the Holy Ghost was glowing with a beauty which no make-up artist on this whole earth could ever match.   It would be like saying an artist could paint a sunset which is more beautiful than the glowing real sunset which God made.
 
See that is the kind of stuff the hirelings brainwash women into disobeying God with.  If we paint up, wear clinging cloths,  pants, fancy hairdo's etc.  how are we transformed away from the Word?  How are we peculiar?
 
Every healthy woman will have more natural beauty and color in her skin than any make-up can do.  It covers up her natural beauty and color.
 
Besides when did God say to make yourself look better?  On the outside?  that way?   He said in a Psalm  that because of the pride of their 'countenance'  he is not in all their thoughts.
 
See, when one is wrapped up with how they look;  or rather how they think someone else will think they look,  that is pride in their countenance;  and because of their obsession with this, God is not in all their thoughts.
 
The church world is NOT preaching the gospel which Paul preached;  they are preaching that 'other' gospel, which is not another.  They are preaching another Jesus;  not the Jesus of the Word of God.  It is a made up idol.
 
This stuff is deep and hard for most people to ever accept.  But those who do will reap the great reward of a glorified body.
 
In Love,
 
Jo

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From: joieSent: 6/26/2002 7:57 PM
I do not wish to sound hash or cutting or anything of this nature [ I know I am accused of this many time; falsely] for my only intention is to help saints of God find the truth and the right way.
 
You say that God created the gold and silver,  and this is true.  But he did not create if to be worn as adornment.  The word shows this from Gen. to the end.  Both the major apostles, Peter and Paul stated that we are NOT to adorn the OUTWARD man with these things.
 
Go back to the message I did on Jacob telling his household to  REMOVE their earrings in order to able to go up to the 'house of God'.  It is in Genesis.
 
God also created the 'airways';  yet I know He had no intentions of man using this power in the evil way they are doing today.  What you think?
 
Just what I see in the Word of God.  Let's adorn ourselves with the INWARD man as taught by the Apostles.
 
Jo

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