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Revelation : New Heavens and New Earth
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 7/24/2007 11:10 PM
(This is a marvelous message on this subject.  I think it is misunderstood by everyone.  I am very glad I found this and need to put it in my documents.  Many of these good old message are so far back in this group, that I guess none of our present members have had access to any of them.  Hope this one blesses some of you.  It is very good.)
 
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From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 4/25/2004 12:53 AM

The New Heavens and New Earth

This revelation will come as quite a shocker to most of you who read it. For so long the new heavens and new earth has been taught to mean a total new type of planet or something of this nature which will occur after everything else is finished. But this is just not true to the Word of God. I know most of you will find this hard to believe because of the lies which have preceded this true teaching. But if you will take the time to study this and compare it with all the Scriptures on this subject, you will find it matches the Word as no other teaching before has done.

I will start this message with the whole chapter of Isaiah 65.

Isaiah 65

1. I Am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2. I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3. A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4. Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5. Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

7. Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the Lord, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

8. Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

9. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Now, lets look at this portion a little at a time:

Verse one: This is speaking of the Gentiles being brought unto God.

Two: This is speaking of God and His dealings with the nation of Israel, which always rebelled against God and His way.

 

Three: this clearly identifies the nation of Israel because they are the ones whom God had ‘always�?dealt with; they are the ones who sacrificed and burned incense.

Next God tells of their sins and how He will recompense them for it.

Verse 8 picks up with prophecy of the New Testament Christians, the servants of Jesus. We are called the ‘servants�?in the Word. The ‘new wine�?is the New covenant of Grace.

Verse 9 is speaking of Jesus. Jesus was the seed out of Jacob which inherited God’s mountains. His servants, the New Testament Christians are the ones who dwell there.

10. And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.

11. But ye are they that forsake the Lord, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.

12. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

Verse 10 speaks of the Christians. These are His people that sought him.

Verse 11 & 12 tell the OT. law people how they forsook the Lord and forgot the Holy Mountain, the NT Covenant. When Jesus called they did not hear or answer but went right back to that which God said in Isa. 1, that he delighted not in = the old covenant and blood of animals.

13. Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:

14. Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

15. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

Now you already know from my other teachings that Jesus left the OT. Covenant (law), without any food in it. Study Lamentations to prove this. It is all through the prophets. Now in v. 13, He says that his servants (the Christians) will ‘eat�?= be fed the bread from Heaven; but they (law people) shall be hungry. Why? Because all the prophets said he cut them off and would not feed them. That, which dieth, let it die. I will not feed you. (Zech. 11: 9)

We rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory due to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, but they shall be ashamed. Why? Because they did not answer the call to come over into the New Covenant; they resisted the Holy Ghost; the Grace Covenant.

Verse 15 shows how God slew them and called his ‘servants�?by another name ~ = CHRISTIANS.

16. That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

17. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

18. But be ye glad and rejoice forever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

19. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23. They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.

24. And it shall come to pass that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Now in these verses is the proof that the new heavens and new earth are NOT what everyone believes; they are not a new planet or life after all this is over.

Read this carefully and prayerfully. I will also bring other Scriptures proving this in another installment.

V. 16 speaks of the blessing of the New Covenant beginning at Pentecost.

17. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Rev. 3: 14. And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Rev. 1: 5. And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Now this said Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. He was the first BEGOTTEN of the dead. He was the beginning ~ but of What? The beginning of the new heaven and earth = the New Covenant of Grace. The resurrected Jesus is this new heaven and earth. Jesus is the Holy City. Jesus is the Holy Jerusalem. Now don’t go jump off the deep end and refuse to read this; study this if you truly desire truth and revelation.

Jesus was the ending of the Old Covenant of law. He is the end of the law for righteousness to those who believe. Is this not Word? Of course it is.

Jesus was made of a woman; made under the law; this was a fleshly man - first man Adam; of the earth, earthly; he was part of the Old Covenant here. But, Jesus came forth a new creation when he was resurrected from the dead. We who are baptized into this body of the Holy Jerusalem, Jesus, are a New Creature.

11Cor. 5: 17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Gal 6: 15. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Now there is enough proof that all in Christ Jesus are new creatures; for we are part of his body, this New Creation of God = the new heavens and earth.

Now back to Isaiah 65 for proof that the new heavens and earth are NOT THE ETERNAL WORLD EVERYONE THINKS.

Verse 18 speaks of the rejoicing of the Christians in the Holy Ghost.

Verse 20 proves death is in this New City. It shows that our life is not eternal in this Holy City; for a person in Christ who dies at 100, is still considered a child. But one who rejects Christ this long is accursed.

Verse 22 speaks of our Christian work which will be rewarded eternally. We will not lose our rewards for our labour.

We are the blessed of the LORD and our spiritual children.

V24 shows our power in Christ to be heard because we now have His Spirit living inside us.

V25-- The wolf, which is shown in Scripture to be false teachers, and the lamb, which is children of God feed together. Now what is this?

Jesus said the tares (same as the wolf) and the wheat (same as the lambs) grow until the end of the world. The seven churches all show saints and sinners in there together; all feeding together off the Word of God. The parable of the fish net showed that they gathered both bad and good in that net of the gospel preaching. They were both there until the angels came at the end of the world, drew that net in and SEPARATED THE GOOD FROM THE BAD.

So see then, that this in Isaiah 65: 25 would have to be speaking of a time when the bad and the good (wolf and lamb) are STILL FEEDING TOGETHER? It could NOT be AFTER the end of the world; it would have to be during the Church Ages.

The lion (which is shown to be the destroyers, evil workers) (until Jesus returns as a lion to destroy them)--shall eat STRAW--- Straw is shown in the Word to be false teachings. Stubble is shown to be the children of the devil. So these evil lions are eating the straw, or the false teachings.....

And dust shall be the serpent’s meat.

Jesus called the hypocrites serpents and vipers. So this is saying the same thing said in Genesis that the serpents or evil people, eat ‘dust�? which is the worldly things; the things of the flesh. So, if this new heaven and earth were the eternal world of perfection, a new planet or something of that nature, HOW WERE THESE HYPOCRITE SERPENTS STILL THERE? See this COULD NOT BE THE ANSWER. This could not be an eternal, perfect world; for this clearly shows the serpents to STILL BE THERE, eating DUST, or earthly, material things, which will not exist in the pure Heavenly World after everything is finished.

But in His Holy Mountain, those truly in Christ, we do not hurt or destroy each other.

By: Jo Smith

 



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From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 7/24/2007 11:40 PM
Dear Freeborn,
Loved reading this.  Will print it out. Today is William's birthday and I am waiting for him to call.  This is a beautiful message. But it puzzles me about the serpent still eating the dust. Interesting. Back to Genesis.  Tweety