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Ellen White : FAILED PROPHECY OF ELLEN G. WHITE
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From: MSN NicknameTweety134  (Original Message)Sent: 6/17/2008 1:52 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTweety134</NOBR> Sent: 6/13/2008 11:44 PM
SHE IS TRULY A SICK SHE-DEVIL!!!!

Ellen G. White's failed prophecy:

"I have seen that the 1843 chart (Wm. Miller's) was directed by the hand of the Lord and that it should not be altered that the figures were as he wanted them." EARLY WRITINGS p. 64 edition 1882

 

(First Vision 12/1844) "It was just as impossible for them (those that gave up their faith in the 1844 movement) to get on the path again and go to the city, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another," (Foregoing now deleted) "until we heard the voice of God like many waters, WHICH GAVE US THE DAY AND HOUR OF JESUS' COMING. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When God spake the time, he poured on us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God as Moses' did when he came down from Mount Sinai." A WORD TO THE LITTLE FLOCK (1847 edition) p. 14

 

ELLEN FORGETS HOUR PROCLAIMED "I have not the slightest knowledge as to the time spoken by the voice of God. I heard the hour proclaimed, but had no remembrance of that hour after I came out of vision." SELECTED MESSAGES 1 p. 298 (1889)

 

ELLEN LOST HER VISIONS

"In our frequent change of location in the earlier history of the publishing work, and I have crossed the plains no less than 17 times I lost all trace of the first published works." . . . "And here I pause to state that any of our people having in their possession a copy of any or all of my first views, as published prior to 1851, will do me a great favor if they will send them to me without delay." SELECTED MESSAGES 1 p. 60

"It is well known that many were expecting the Lord to come at the 7th month, 1845. That Christ would then come we firmly believed. A few days before the time passed, I was at Fairhaven, and Dartsmouth, Mass, with a message on this point of time. At this time, Ellen was with the band at Carver, Mass, where she saw in vision, that we should be disappointed," A WORD TO THE LITTLE FLOCK p. 22 by James White 1847

E. G. White prophesied the world would end in 1843, 1844, 1845 & 1851: "Now time is almost finished, (1851) and what we have been 6 years in learning they will have to learn in months." EARLY WRITINGS p. 57

"For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world . . . I was shown in vision, and I still believe, that there was a shut door in 1844." SELECTED MESSAGES 1 p. 63

"I saw the state of the different churches since the second angel proclaimed their fall. (In 1844) They have been growing more and more corrupt . . . Satan has taken full possession of the churches as a body . . . Their professions, their prayers and their exhortations are an abomination in the sight of GOD." Spiritual Gifts Vol 1­p. 189.

 

White blames her failed prophecy on the members of the Seventh-day Adventist church! "Thus the work was hindered, and the world was left in darkness. Had the whole Adventist body united upon the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, how widely different would have been our history." SELECTED MESSAGES, Book 1, p. 299

Concerning some of her ``revelations,'' Biederwolf, Seventh-Day Adventism, p. 8f "In one of her visions her accompanying angels told her that the time of salvation for all sinners ended in 1844. She now claims the door of mercy is still open...In another vision she discovered that women should wear short dresses with pants and she and her sister followers dressed this way for eight years. But the ridiculous custom has now been abandoned....''

The following is a glimpse at some other peculiar teachings of Mrs. White which shows what she believed God to be instructing in matters of diet:

"You have used the fat of animals, which God in his word expressly forbids'' page 61).

"Cheese should never be introduced into the stomach'' (Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 2, page 68).

"It is just as much sin to violate the laws of our being as to break one of the Ten Commandments'' ([eating a slice of bacon is as sinful as committing adultery] Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 2, page 70).

``The use of swine's flesh is contrary to his express commandments'' (Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 2, page 96).

She also affirms that her ``visits'' to heaven were easily made because after having left there during one of her visits an angel "handed me a green cord coiled up closely. This he directed me to place next to my heart, and when I wished to see Jesus, take from my bosom and stretch it to the utmost. He cautioned me not to let it remain coiled for any length of time lest it should become knotted and difficult to straighten."

Quoting further from 'Early Writings' (pp. 258-261) we find Mrs. White claimed that the teaching that Christ moved into the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary in 1844 was the "third angel's message", and then she declares, Woe to him who shall move a block or stir a pin of these messages." She said further that those who reject her interpretation of the "third angel's message" were "fighting against God" and "they offered up their useless prayer to the apartment which Jesus (Yeshua) has left, and Satan, pleased with the deception, assumes a religious character, and leads the minds of these professed Christians to himself working with his power, his signs and lying wonders to fasten them in his snare." From the foregoing statements of Mrs. White we find that all one needs to do is to disbelieve her interpretations of the 1844 move in the Heavenly Sanctuary and Satan immediately "fastens them in his snare" and they are hopelessly deceived. This statement is so radical and obviously untrue that even the S.D.A.'s do not believe it any more. Yet look at what White said again!

"I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: Some food for worms, some subject to the last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus'" (Vol. 1, p. 131).

NOTE: This statement was made in 1856 and every one present in that meeting is now dead. Obviously, this was a false prophecy. Some S.D.A.'s, in trying to extricate themselves from the dilemma of this false statement, have argued that had God's people been faithful the Lord would have come long ago. But this excuse will not hold water, because God knew ahead of time what would happen. And Mrs. White made no conditions for the fulfillment of her prophecy. Her statement is plain and to the point.

"Thousands have been induced to enlist with the understanding that this war to exterminate slavery, but now that they are fixed, they find that they have been deceived, that the object of this war is not to abolish slavery, but to preserve it" Vol. 1, pp. 254, 258). We know now that the Civil War in the USA did indeed abolish slavery. Mrs. White was wrong.

"This nation will yet be humbled into the dust. England is studying whether it is best to take advantage of the present weak condition of our nation and venture to make war on her...When England does declare war, all nations will have one interest of their own to serve, and there will be general war, general confusion"(Vol.1 p.259).

NOTE: This was a FALSE prophecy. England did not declare war on the U.S.A.

"Eggs should not be placed upon your table. They are an injury to your children" (Vol. 2, p. 400). "We bare positive testimony against tobacco, rich cakes, spirituous liquors, snuff, tea, coffee, flesh meats, butter, spice, mince pies..." (Vol. 3, p. 21)."Children are allowed to eat flesh meats, spices, butter, cheese, pork, rich pastry...These things do their work of deranging the stomach" (Vol. 3, p. 136). Mrs. White places "meat, butter and cheese" in the same category as tobacco, liquor, etc. This, is contrary to the Bible for Jesus Himself ate fish (Luke 24:41-43). In John 21:9-12 we find that Jesus Himself prepared flesh meat and said to His disciples, "Come and eat." The Bible tells us that Jesus ate butter (Isaiah 7:15) Mrs. White said, "Do not eat" but Jesus said, "Come and dine". Paul said, "In the latter times some shall depart from the faith...commanding to abstain from meats which God had created to be received" (1 Timothy 4:3).The Bible declares that to teach to abstain from meats is a "departing from the faith".

"Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters which gave us the day and hour of Jesus coming...When God spoke the time, He poured upon us the Holy Spirit" (Vol. 1 p. 59). In this reference Mrs. White claims that the Lord gave her the day and hour of His coming. In Matthew's 24:36 Jesus said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no not the angels in heaven, but my Father only." And, of course, we know today she was wrong because Jesus did not come when she expected Him.

Next we find that Mrs. White claimed that she was one of the 144,000 who would be living when Jesus comes. Here is the question: "Then Jesus' silver trumpet sounded, as He descended on the cloud, wrapped in saints, then raised His eyes and hands to heaven, and cried, 'Awake! Awake! Awake! ye that sleep in the dust and arise!' Then there was almighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted Alleluia! as they recognized their friends whom had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed" (Vol. 1, p.60). Mrs. White was mistaken again for she died in 1915 and therefore the vision was false. She was also wrong in stating that there would be only 144,000 "living saints" at the hour of Jesus' coming (p. 59). The Bible says they would be without number Revelation 7:9.

Now wish to refer the reader to quotations from Mrs. White's book entitled "Early Writings" and show some of the errors and contradictions found therein. On page 11 she says, "In 1842 I constantly attended the second advent meetings in Portland, Maine, and fully believed that the Lord was coming." Then she describes, "What a fullness I enjoyed through believing that the Lord was coming. Inexpressible love for Jesus filled my soul. Wave after wave of glory rolled over me, until my body grew stiff...I remained in this state of body and mind a long time" (p.12).

NOTE: Her joy was based upon the belief that Jesus was coming back to earth in 1844. This proved to be a false belief.

When Jesus did not come in 1844 as Mrs. White believed, she than said that "the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord and that it should not be altered, that the figures were as He wanted them, that his hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures so that none could see it, until His hand was removed" (Early Writings, p.74).

On pages 42-45 (Early Writings) Mrs. White describes a closing of a door in the holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, and an opening in the most holy place (in 1844), that the "midnight cry" was finished at the seventh month 1844, (see p. 43), that then was the "sealing time", and that the time for salvation for sinners had passed (p.45). All the above statements have been proven false by the fact that Christ did NOT return to earth in 1844. The "midnight cry" WAS NOT FINISHED IN 1844, FOR THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT HE DID THIS AT HIS ASCENSION (SEE HEBREWS 6:19; 9:24). The time for the salvation of sinners did NOT pass in 1844. If it did WE ARE TOAST TODAY!

When the Advent people and Mrs. White were disappointed in 1844 because Jesus did not come they revised their interpretation of certain prophecies and concluded that they were wrong in their figures that Jesus would come in the spring of 1844, but that the correct time would be on the seventh month of 1850. Here is what Mrs. White said, "Time is almost finished", (E.W.,p. 64). "Said the angel 'Deny self, ye must step fast.' Some of us have had the time to get the truth and to advance step by step...But now TIME IS ALMOST FINISHED, and what we have been years learning they will have to lean IN A FEW MONTHS" (E.W.,p.67). "Some are looking too far off for the coming of the Lord. Time has continued a few years longer than they expected therefore they think it may continue a few years more. And in this way their minds have been led from present truth...I saw the time for Jesus to be in the most holy place WAS NEARLY FINISHED and that time can last but very little longer. The sealing time is very short and will soon be over" (E.W.,p.58).

In the year 1850 Bible scholars were teaching of the return of the Jews to Palestine and the restoration of Jerusalem. Here is what Mrs. White said about this: "I also saw that old Jerusalem would never be built up, and that Satan was doing the utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now in the gathering time, to keep them from throwing their interests into the work of the Lord and to cause them to neglect the necessary preparation"(E.W.,p.75).

Mrs. White taught that Jesus moved from the first apartment of the heavenly sanctuary into the most holy place in 1844, and that those who did not believe this doctrine, Satan answered their prayers when they prayed for the Holy Spirit. Here is her statement: "I saw the Father rise from the throne and in a flaming chariot go into the holy of holies within the vale, and sit down. Then Jesus rose up from the throne and the most of those who bowed down arose with Him. Then a cloudy chariot...came to where Jesus was. He stepped into the chariot and was borne to the throne; they did not know that Jesus had left it. Satan appeared to be by the throne, trying to carry on the work of God. I saw them look up to the throne and say, 'Father give us the Spirit.' Satan would than breathe upon them an unholy influence..."(E.W.,p.55,56). In the first place, the Bible teaches that when Jesus ascended to heaven He went directly into the most holy place or "within the vale"(Hebrews 6:19;9:24), not in 1844. Further, when Jesus died on the cross/tree the vale between the holy and the most holy place was rent in two (Matthew 27:51) which indicated that Christ's sacrifice made it possible for believers' prayers to reach the very dwelling place of GOD, which was in the most holy place, and more particularly, between the cherubim's above the mercy seat of the ark (Exodus 25:22; Leviticus 16:2). This happened immediately after Christ's ascension, not in 1844. It is therefore grossly erroneous to teach that Satan answers the prayers of those who do not believe that Jesus moved from one apartment to another in 1844!

Mrs. White taught that in the communion service the sisters should wash the feet of the brethren (E.W.,p.117). Now this is considered so out of order that even S.D.A's do not follow this instruction.

Next, we wish to take another book written by Mrs. White. The following quotations will be taken from her book 'THE GREAT CONTROVERSY.' On page 546, she says, "In 1844, attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest entered the holy of holies, and there appears in the presence of God, to engage in the last acts of His ministration in behalf of man-to perform the work of investigative judgment, and to MAKE ATONEMENT for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits." (Quotes from 'Great Controversy', 1927 Ed.) Yet in Hebrews 9:26-28 it says that Christ "put away sin, once, by the sacrifice of Himself" and "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many", and again in Hebrews 10:10, "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL", and in verse 14, "For by ONE offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified."

Mrs. White teaches that no sins were blotted out until 1844-"at the close of the 2300 days, in 1844, BEGAN the work of investigation AND THE BLOTTING OUT OF SINS" (G.C.,p.552).

Mrs. White teaches that an "Investigative Judgment" began in 1844, that only the cases of the righteous come up for investigation in this judgment and the purpose is "to determine" who are saved. Here is her statement: "In 1844...our High Priest entered the holy of holies... to perform the work of investigative judgment. The only cases considered are those of the professed people of God" (p.546). "All who have ever taken upon themselves the name of Christ must pass its searching scrutiny"(p.552). "This work of examination of character, of determining who are prepared for the kingdom of God, is that of the Investigative Judgment"(p.489). "There must be an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ are entitled to the benefits of His atonement"(p.480).

Mrs. White stated further, "The judgment is now passing in the sanctuary above. For many years this work has been in progress. Soon-none know how soon-it will pass to the cases of the living" (p. 556).

At this point I wish to quote from another notable S.D.A. writer, L.H. Christian, in his book, 'Facing the Crisis', published in 1937 by the 'Review and Herald', that elaborated upon Mrs. White's statement. "In this work of judgment which began in heaven in 1844, when the 2300 years ended, the eternal faith of every soul will be decided. Beginning, no doubt with Abel, the first to die, one by one the names of all are called and the destiny of each decided...From that decision there will be no appeal. We know not what hour the Lord will come to our name and decide our case forever. It may be today, it may be tomorrow" (p. 283).

On page 481 of 'Great Controversy' (1927 ed.) Mrs. White says, "When Christ by virtue of His own blood removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who in execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty."

Mrs. White states that the prophecy of Daniel 8:14-"Unto 2300 days, then shall the sanctuary be cleansed," was fulfilled in 1844 (G.C.,pp.484, 475, 486), that it was the heavenly sanctuary that was cleansed (p. 475), and that it was the confessed sins of God's people that defiled the heavenly sanctuary (p. 480).

On page 487 (G.C.) Mrs. White says, "The proclamation, 'Behold the Bridegroom cometh' in the summer of 1844, led thousands to expect the immediate advent of Christ. At the appointed time the Bridegroom came, not to the earth, as the people expected, but to those Ancient of Days in heaven to the marriage, the reception of His kingdom. They that were ready went in with Him to the marriage, and the door was shut." Also, "In the summer and autumn of 1844 the proclamation 'Behold the Bridegroom cometh' was given. The two classes represented by the wise and foolish virgins were then developed."

On page 492 (G.C.) Mrs. White says that if anyone rejects her interpretation of the sanctuary service, etc. there is no atonement for that person. Here is her statement: "It is those who by faith follow Jesus in the great work of atonement, who receive the benefits of His mediation in their behalf, while those who REJECT THE LIGHT which brings to view this work of ministration, are not benefited thereby."

In TESTIMONIES, (Volume 8, p. 117), Mrs White says, "The seal of God is revealed in the observance of the Seventh Day Sabbath."

In TESTIMONIES, Volume 1, pp. 206, 207, Mrs. White says PORK is "nourishing and strengthening food" and rebukes a brother for teaching that it was forbidden food. "They who labor with their hands must nourish their strength to perform this labor, and those also who labor in the Word and doctrine must nourish their strength. They should eat of nourishing and strengthening food to build up their strength...I saw that your views concerning swine's flesh would prove no injury to you if you have them to yourself; but in your judgment and opinion you have made this question a test. IF GOD REQUIRES HIS PEOPLE TO ABSTAIN FROM SWINE'S FLESH, He will convict them on the matter. If it is the duty of the church to abstain from swine's flesh God will discover it to more than two or three."



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/17/2008 3:03 AM
(First Vision 12/1844) "It was just as impossible for them (those that gave up their faith in the 1844 movement) to get on the path again and go to the city, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another," (Foregoing now deleted) "until we heard the voice of God like many waters, WHICH GAVE US THE DAY AND HOUR OF JESUS' COMING. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When God spake the time, he poured on us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God as Moses' did when he came down from Mount Sinai." A WORD TO THE LITTLE FLOCK (1847 edition) p. 14

So, now, she can call the Word of God a lie, for God changed his own word for them.....and told the the day and hour, which Jesus does not even know....and these duped with her spell, accepted this glaring lie.  and still refuse to see what a fake she was.  God help their hardened hearts.

btw, she had no concept what the 144,000 is as people today still do not know this revelation.  too carnal minded.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/17/2008 3:18 AM

The following is a glimpse at some other peculiar teachings of Mrs. White which shows what she believed God to be instructing in matters of diet:

"You have used the fat of animals, which God in his word expressly forbids'' page 61).

"Cheese should never be introduced into the stomach'' (Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 2, page 68).

"It is just as much sin to violate the laws of our being as to break one of the Ten Commandments'' ([eating a slice of bacon is as sinful as committing adultery] Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 2, page 70).

``The use of swine's flesh is contrary to his express commandments'' (Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 2, page 96).


proof that she had no NT understanding or faith, thus no truth, and no salvation....trying to get to heaven by what she eats and does not eat.  Did Jesus teach this?  Let's just see:

Mt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mt 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Adventist, take heed to your souls----read the following carefully and prayerfully:

Mt 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

Mt 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

Mt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. (she never taught them it is wrong to lie, sneer, and bear false witness' but this comes out of the mouth, and is the thing which defiles them.)

Mt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Did Jesus say eating a piece of bacon is the same as or as bad as Adultery? No way. It is lies from the pits of hell itself. It came from the mouth of one of the worst deceivers to ever speak to this world.

Mr 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Mr 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear

Mr 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Mr 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Mr 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

Mr 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mr 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

Mr 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Are you defiled? Did you eat some bacon and become defiled? If so, then Jesus sure lied here.

Who lied here, Jesus or Ellen white? They both told opposite things, so both cannot be right. Whom do you believe? Jesus or E white? Choose ye this day whom you will serve. Tomorrow may be TOO LATE.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/17/2008 3:37 AM
How could any right thinking, sensible person read the above things which she said, and not see that she not possibly have had any truth or any revelation for Almighty God?
 
I know that Jack used to tell me that thing about if they had done right,  Jesus would have come back then.  How ridiculous can anyone be?  God did not write his Word, then decide to do something different, based on what sinners do.  I tried and tired to show this to Jack, but he was too blinded to see any truth.  So sad.  He seemed to be such a nice person.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:25 PM
While in our back pages, just now, I am looking for a set of message on ...Does your church.....have not found them yet....but ran across this which Larry did about Ellen White a few years ago, and though we may as well place these with this board:
 
From: Isaiah  (Original Message) Sent: 11/15/2003 6:19 AM

Ellen White - False Prophet(ess)

Here are some of the predictions of Ellen White. They did not come to pass, so she cannot be a true prophet. She must therefore be a false prophet, a liar, not inspired by God. God cannot lie, and therefore is she were a true prophet of God, her predictions would not fail like they so clearly did. Please see after the listing of her false prophecies to see what the Bible says about such false prophets.

PREDICTIONS OF ELLEN G. WHITE

Mrs. White claimed that future events were revealed to her.

"As the Spirit of God has opened to my mind the great truths of His word, and the scenes of the past and the future, I have been bidden to make known to others that which has thus been revealed..."
- The Great Controversy, p. xi.

Mrs. White made the following predictions during her ministry in the Seventh-day Adventist church. They must be tested and honestly faced in the light of God's Word.


JERUSALEM'S FUTURE

An interesting prophecy of Mrs. White's was that "Old Jerusalem never would be built up". In _Early_Writings_ p 75, she said,

"Then I was pointed to some who are in the great error of believing that it is their duty to go to Old Jerusalem, and think they have a work to do there before the Lord comes....I saw that Satan had greatly deceived some in this thing,.... I ALSO SAW THAT OLD JERUSALEM NEVER WOULD BE BUILT UP; and that Satan was doing his utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now, in the gathering time" (emphasis added).

This prophecy did not come true. Since the nation of Israel's rebirth in 1948, "old Jerusalem" has been greatly built up.

 


MRS. WHITE ALIVE WHEN JESUS RETURNS

Mrs. White predicted that she would be among "the living saints" when Jesus returned.

"Soon our eyes were drawn to the east, for a small black cloud had appeared, about half as large as a man's hand, which we all knew was the sign of Son of man.... Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, "Alleluia!" as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment WE WERE CHANGED AND CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM to meet the Lord in the air".
- Early Writings, pp 15-16 (emphasis added).

 


ENGLAND WILL ATTACK THE UNITED STATES

In 1862 she predicted that "when England does declare war [against the North, during the civil war]. all nations will have an interest of their own to serve, and there will be general war, general confusion." The result will be that "this nation [the United States] will...be humbled into the dust".
- Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 259.

American history clearly shows that England did not "declare war" against the United States during the Civil War, and the United States was not "humbled into the dust".

 


THE CIVIL WAR IS A SIGN THAT JESUS IS ABOUT TO RETURN

"I saw greater distress in the land than we have yet witnessed. I heard groans and cries of distress, and saw large companies in active battle. I heard the booming of the cannon, the clash of arms, the hand-to-hand fight, and the groans and prayers of the dying....God's people must take warning and discern the signs of the times. The signs of Christ's coming are too plain to be doubted, and in view of these things everyone who professes the truth should be a living preacher....All heaven is astir. THE SCENES OF EARTH'S HISTORY ARE FAST CLOSING. We are amid the perils of the last days".
- Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 260 (emphasis added).

 


IN THE 1850'S MRS. WHITE SAID JESUS WAS TO RETURN "IN A FEW MONTHS"

"Some are looking too far off for the coming of the Lord. Time has continued a few years longer than they expected; therefore they think it may continue a few years more, and in this way their minds are being led from present truth, out after the world.... I saw that the time for Jesus to be in the most holy place was nearly finished and that TIME CAN LAST BUT A VERY LITTLE LONGER".
- Early Writings, p. 58 (emphasis added).

"In a view given June 27, 1850, my accompanying angel said, "TIME IS ALMOST FINISHED....Said the angel, "Get ready, get ready, get ready...." I saw that there was a great work to do for them and but LITTLE TIME in which to do it....Then I saw that THE SEVEN LAST PLAGUES WERE SOON TO BE POURED OUT upon those who have no shelter...."
- Early Writings, p 64 (emphasis added).

Mrs. White continues to relate her vision and makes a startling prediction that only a few months are left before the Lord will return.

"But NOW TIME IS ALMOST FINISHED and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a FEW MONTHS. They will also have much to unlearn and much to learn again."
- Early Writings, p 67 (emphasis added).

 


ADVENTISTS LIVING IN 1856 WILL BE ALIVE TO SEE JESUS RETURN

Over 135 years ago, Mrs. White made another fascinating prophecy during a meeting in Battle Creek, Michigan in May of 1856. She declared that some of those who were at the meeting would die, and become "food for worms," and that some of them would live on and become "subjects of the seven last plagues," while still others would "remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus".
- Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, pp. 131-132.

 


CHRIST WOULD RETURN BEFORE SLAVERY WAS ABOLISHED

"I saw the pious slave rise in triumph and victory and shake off the chains that bound him, while his wicked master was in confusion and knew not what to do; for the wicked could not understand the words of the voice of God. Soon appeared the great white cloud ....On it sat the Son of man."
- Early Writings, pp 35

"I saw that the slave master will have to answer for the soul of his slave whom he has kept in ignorance; and the sins of the slave will be visited on the master. God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God and the Bible, fearing nothing but his master's lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes. But he does the best thing for him that a compassionate God can do. He permits him to be as if he had not been, while the master must endure the seven last plagues and then come up in the second resurrection and suffer the second, most awful death. Then the justice of God will be satisfied."
- Early Writings, pp 276

Slavery was not abolished for another 6 years after these statements, and the Lord hadn't yet returned. Furthermore, the Bible teaches that EVERY person will be raised. Here Ellen White contradicts the Bible. Please see one of the articles that follow for a long list of places where Ellen White flatly contradicts the Bible.

 


A SCRIPTURAL WARNING

"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? WHEN A PROPHET SPEAKETH IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, IF THE THING FOLLOW NOT, NOR COME TO PASS, THAT IS THE THING WHICH THE LORD HATH NOT SPOKEN, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."
- Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (emphasis added)

"They see falsehood and lying divination who are saying, 'The Lord declares,' when the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope for the fulfillment of their word. Did you not see a false vision and speak a lying divination when you said, 'the Lord declares,' but it is not I who have spoken?" Therefore, thus says the Lord God, "BECAUSE YOU HAVE SPOKEN FALSEHOOD and seen a lie, therefore behold, I AM AGAINST YOU," declares the Lord God. SO MY HAND WILL BE AGAINST THE PROPHETS WHO SEE FALSE VISIONS AND UTTER LYING DIVINATION. They will have no place in the council of My people, nor will they be written down in register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord God"
- Ezekiel 13:6-9 (emphasis added)

William Miller also made several false prophecies, regarding the second coming of Christ in 1844. History proved him wrong, which makes his just as much a false, lying prophet as Ellen White, and the Jehovah's Witness leaders are !

It is no use saying that he was just wrong about the event that occurred in 1844 - the fact remains that he made a false prophecy - you DO IN FACT ADMIT THAT HE WAS WRONG IN HIS INITIAL PROPHECY ! Since he was wrong in his initial prophecy, regardless of the twisting and perverting of Scripture done to attempt to prove him right about at least something, the fact remains that he preached a false prophecy, adn thus can safely be ignored and rejected as a true prophet and teacher of God.

 


Later on in this article series we will see how the teachings of Ellen White blatantly contradict the Bible. But I want to include a few here to show that nothing really happened in 1844 in heaven - Jesus finished his atonement at the Cross, NOT starting the final phase in 1844, and He sat down at the right hand of the Father - a biblical symbol of a fully completed task - as soon as he got back to heaven, and NOT, like SDA's like to believe, in 1844.

Ellen White teaches us that Jesus began to blot out our sins in 1844.

"In 1844 began the work of blotting out sins."
- Christ in His Sanctuary, p. 122.

The Bible teaches the exact opposite. "For God was in Christ, restoring the world to himself, no longer counting men's sins against them but blotting them out. This is the wonderful message he has given us to tell others." 2 Cor 6:19 (Living Bible) Paul was writing in the AD 50's and 60's. Back then, he told the truth when he told the Corinthians that Jesus, on earth as a man, blotted out the sins of mankind.

Ellen White taught that the atonement was not finished at the cross.

"Now while our great High Priest IS MAKING THE ATONEMENT for us, we should seek to become perfect in Christ"
- The Great Controversy, p. 623 (emphasis added)

"...instead of coming to the earth at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844, Christ then entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary to perform the closing work of atonement preparatory to His coming."
- The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added)

"Instead of the prophecy of Daniel 8:14 referring to the purifying of the earth, it was now plain that it pointed to the closing work of our High Priest in heaven, THE FINISHING OF THE ATONEMENT..."
- Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 58 (emphasis added)

She teaches that the final processes of it were started by Jesus in 1844.

The Bible teaches differently.

"Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now ONCE AT THE CONSUMMATION of the ages He has been MANIFESTED TO PUT AWAY SIN BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF"
- Hebrews 9:26 (emphasis added)

See ? Jesus suffered ONCE, thereby putting away out sins !

"When Jesus therefore had received the sour wine, He said, "IT IS FINISHED!" And He bowed His head, and gave up His spirit"
- John 19:30 (emphasis added)

Did Jesus lie when he said, "It is finished" ??? Do SDA's teach that Jesus actually lied on the Cross ???

"...but He, HAVING OFFERED ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOR ALL TIME, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD"
- Hebrews 10:12 (emphasis added)

Sitting down, in Levitical symbolism, was a sign of completion of the task one had set out to do. Paul (or the author of Hebrews) wrote clearly here to the people of the first century, that Jesus SAT DOWN - past tense - at God's right hand.

JESUS DID NOT ASCEND TO THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD

Mrs. White teaches that Jesus did not go to the right hand of God until A.D. 1844.

"Thither the faith of Christ's disciples followed Him as He ascended from their sight....For eighteen centuries this work of ministration continued in the first apartment of the sanctuary"
- Christ in His Sanctuary, p. 98

"This is the service which began when the 2300 days ended [in 1844]. At that time, as foretold by Daniel the prophet, our High Priest entered the most holy, to perform the last division of His solemn work - to cleanse the sanctuary"
- Christ in His Sanctuary, p. 98

"I was shown what did take place in heaven at the close of the prophetic periods in 1844. As JESUS ENDED HIS MINISTRATION IN THE HOLY PLACE AND CLOSED THE DOOR OF THAT APARTMENT....HE PASSED WITHIN THE SECOND VEIL.... The veil was lifted, and I looked into the second apartment....Above the place where Jesus stood before the ark, was exceedingly bright glory that I could not look upon; it appeared like the throne of God"
- Early Writings, pp. 252-253 (emphasis added)

MRS. WHITE TAUGHT THAT NOT UNTIL OCTOBER 22, 1844 DID JESUS GO TO THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, THE MOST HOLY PLACE OF THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY. She insists that Jesus did not sit at the right hand of the Father until 1844. She says,

"...THAT WAS...TO TAKE PLACE...IN 1844. Attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies and there appears in the presence of God to engage in the last act of His ministration in behalf on man - to perform the work of investigative judgment and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits"
- The Great Controversy, p. 480 (emphasis added)

THE BIBLE SAYS

Note that these New Testament passages indicate that when Jesus ascended He went directly into the presence of God and sat down at His right hand. The work of salvation was finished. Levitical priests could never sit down because their work was never completed. Jesus did not move from the Holy Place to the Most Holy Place in 1844.

"...When He made purification of sins, HE SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH;"
- Hebrews 1:3b (emphasis added)

NB - note the past tense being used to readers of the 1st century AD.

"But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,...."
- Hebrews 1:13 (emphasis added)

"And EVERY PRIEST STANDS DAILY ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; BUT HE having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,"
- Hebrews 10:11-12 (emphasis added)

After saying "It is finished" Jesus would have sat down at the Father's right hand. Note again the past tense used here for people in the 1st century.

"fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfector of faith, who for the joy before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and HAS SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE THRONE OF GOD"
- Hebrews 12:2 (emphasis added)

"He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and SAT DOWN WITH MY FATHER ON HIS THRONE"
- Revelation 3:21 (emphasis added)

Note that Jesus is speaking to John about future people. He speaks in the first century, in front of John. He also speaks in the past tense regarding an event of the past ... BEFORE the time of John.

"David himself said in the Holy Spirit, 'The Lord said to my Lord "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,..."
- Mark 12:36a (emphasis added)

The 1844 doctrines of the SDA Church are simply made up to cover up the obvious fact that Miller and White are false and lying prophets.

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:26 PM
From: joie Sent: 11/17/2003 9:58 PM
Wonderful job done, Bro. Isaiah.  I am so glad you found and exposed all this false stuff.  Nothing but a willful blind person could continue to believe all these false teachings and 'prophecies'...........just as nothing but a willful blind person could continue to believe in the false prophet, William Branham.
 
Seems Satan sends one in each age, or each century/
William Branham also prophecied falsely about the time of Jesus' return.  He set several dates for this return, then when those dates came and went, he changed the time.
 
He said, and I heard him on tape say that Jesus would come by 1977.  I heard him say you will be in the Millienum by 1977. He said the 'rapture' [no such thing] will happen by 1977. 
 
wonder why it did not happen, branamites?  why did Whites lies not happen Adventist?
 
 He said America would be destroyed by 1977.  He said no Democracy ever lasted longer than 200 years and our 200 years would be up in 1977.  Other 'supposed' to be prophets picked up on this and respoke it.  I heard one in PERSON declare that America would be destroyed by 1977, for this one believed Branham knew what he was speaking of.
 
They have both been PROVED to be liars.  God did not send them, yet they ran.
 
Branham, a 'supposed-to-be prophet' taught some of the most evil mess in this world.  He taught from evil JOsephisus and said that Eve had sex with a animal creature, called the Serpent, who was a big, man-like creature BETWEEN MAN AND THE CHIMPANZEE.  Can you imagine such evil?
 
and know what?  millions of deceived folks just swallowed that lie right done and teach it too.
 
I say they are all of the devil.  I say it loud and clear.
 
So William Branham was the BIG FALSE PROPHET IN THE 20th century.
 
Ellen white in the 19th century.  Satan has his followers right there waiting to devour unsupecting folks who DO NOT PROVE EVERYTHING BY THE WRITTEN WORD.
 
NOW WE GOT ONE IN HERE SAYING THE WRITTEN WORD IS WORSE THAN HOMOSEXUALITY.
 
Lord Jesus, I pray you will bring your swift judgment against these haters of your precious word.
 
Jo Smith

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:26 PM
From: Isaiah Sent: 11/19/2003 12:04 AM

Facts Seventh-Day Adventists Won't Tell You at Their Prophecy Seminars

 by Lorri MacGregor

 -- SDA's won't always tell you that it is the SDA church that is sponsoring the seminars.

-- SDA's consider themselves to be the only true, remnant church. All others will be condemned in time.

-- SDA's will make your salvation dependent on observing the Saturday Sabbath, worshiping with them.

-- If you receive Christ as your Savior through SDA's, only your past sins are forgiven by grace up to that point.

-- As an SDA you now enter a period of "investigative judgment" where every deed you do or don't do is recorded for judgment day.

-- As an SDA you will be judged even for "idle moments" where you could have been more obedient.

-- As an SDA you will be encouraged to become a vegetarian.

-- SDA's will gloss over the scripture that says ".. he who is weak in faith eats vegetables only.. " (Romans 14:2)

-- SDA's will expect you to revere their founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, viewing her as having the "spirit of prophecy" referred to in the Bible Book of Revelation.

-- In spite of revering Ellen G. White, SDA's won't ordain women.

-- SDA's won't tell you that EGW is a proven false prophetess. Her embarrassing early writings have been altered to cover this up.

-- SDA's won't tell you that they once denied the Trinity. Left over from that time period is the heresy that Jesus Christ is Michael.

-- SDA's have attempted to incorporate this false doctrine of Jesus being Michael by manipulation of Scriptures, so EGW can be correct in their eyes when she says Michael is an OT name for Jesus. Shades of Jehovah's Witnesses!

-- SDA's won't tell you that an early Adventist co-published with the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Both proved to be false prophets. False date-setting caused them to part company.

-- SDA's won't tell you that early Adventists expected the literal second coming of Christ in 1843 and 1844 only to be disappointed.

-- SDA's won't tell you that their 1844 "Investigative judgment" teaching was born out of an attempt to cover over this false prophecy. Instead of repenting over this false date, the claim was made that Christ really came, but INVISIBLY in heaven.

-- Their founder, Ellen G. White, prior to the failed prophecy, taught that the door to salvation was shut. This had to be reinterpreted and altered after the failure of 1844.

-- A former SDA pastor, Walter Rea, examining the prolific writings of EGW, found that she had plagiarized most of what she had written, including drawings of her "visions" from other authors.

-- The SDA Church has yet to reply to his challenge to prove that even 20% of her writings are original.

-- The explanation of the SDA Church for her plagiarism, that there were no copyright laws back then does not excuse her "borrowing".

-- The SDA Church made this statement in their "Ministry" magazine of Oct. 1981 and has never retracted it.

"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other".

 -- One former SDA Pastor reported that he was given a choice between the Bible or the writings of EGW. When he chose the Bible, he was excommunicated out of the SDA church.

-- Ellen G. White's main emphasis was on diet. She taught ".. if we subsist largely upon the flesh of dead animals, we shall partake of their nature". (Counsel on Diet & Foods. p. 390 in some editions).

-- SDA's will gloss over the fact that the Apostle Paul had a different view stating, "Eat anything that is sold in the meat market, without asking questions for conscience' sake".

-- Most of Ellen G. White's concerns over diet were in an effort to control what she considered to be an excessive sex drive in the male.

-- She devoted endless pages to discussing "solitary vice" masturbation) and blamed the practice for a wide range of diseases.

-- Dr. Kellogg and his brother were influenced by EGW to create their famous cold cereal, not considered to be stimulating.

-- Ellen G. White consulted a phrenologist to have the bumps on her head read. This was just another one of her strange "health" views.

-- The SDA's continue to cling to views similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses, such as "soul sleep", denying the reality of Hell. Jesus, however, taught more about hellfire than He taught about heaven.

-- SDA's won't tell you that their new "Clear Word Bible" is really the teachings of Ellen G. White inserting right into the Bible text, so her heresies appear to be the word of God to the unwary.

-- SDA's won't tell you that you will be required to lead a life of incredible legalism,, attempting to keep the old Law Covenant with all his restrictions.

-- SDA's won't tell you that they need to rely heavily on the Old Test-ament since the New Testament teaches the fulfillment of the Law in Jesus Christ. We are now under grace, not the Law.

-- SDA's teach that Christ did not completely atone for our sins on the cross of calvary, in spite of the fact that He cried out "It is finished!" (John 19:30).

-- SDA's teach that we will have to stand in the presence of the living God for judgment without a mediator. (The Great Controversy).

-- SDA's gloss over 1 John 2:1, which states "..And if any man sin, we have an advocate (mediator) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

-- to try to make their false prophecies on the 2300 days in Daniel work, SDA's misinterpret the Hebrew words "ereb boger", for "days" into "years". However, these words literally mean "evenings-mornings". Obviously 2300 actual solar days of 24 hours each, not years as SDA's claim. This spoils 1844 and the "investigative judgement" theories.

In Conclusion

SDA's often made every effort to appear "evangelical", joining in with inter-ministry groups and trying to "blend in" with the Christian community.

However, make no mistake about it, they believe they are exclusively correct because they recognize and follow Ellen G. White. Among themselves, they mock the Christian's beliefs, calling our concept of salvation, "cheap grace". They privately consider themselves to be spiritually superior to the rest of us.

   
   
   
   

(All these facts can be documented at MacGregor Ministries, PO Box 454 - Metaline Falls - WA - 99153-0454)

 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:27 PM
From: joie Sent: 11/19/2003 12:19 AM
Thank you brother Isaiah, for this eye-opening revelation against this false church and their founder.   The true church goes all the way back to the day of Pentecost with Peter as our founder, under Jesus.  Any church which does not go back to this day and accept the same way of salvation is on sinking sand.
 
 I know that God sent this as a means of letting us get into the deep truth of this false religion and bring out these truths.  All who wish to know truth and be set free from this leagalistic religion will have the help they need now to see through this false stuff and be set free.'
 
If they refuse, they will fall into condemnation for refusing truth as it is presented.  I have enjoyed reading this and finding proof of what I really already knew, that she was false and her 'church' is false.  No where do they teach the Apostles doctrine.  Without this, there can be no salvation.
 
All churches which deny the Apostles teachings and accept any part of error and Catholic lies such as trinity will end up in hell fire.  Better come to know the truth right now.
 
Jo 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:27 PM
From: joie Sent: 11/19/2003 12:25 AM
There are millions of deceived souls today who say the same kinds of 'idolotus' stuff about the false prophet of our day, William Branham.
 
I have tapes preached by some of his followers who boldly state that Branham's words are even more than Paul's.  That we now have more than they had, because of having Branham's words.  And many of their preachers will just read a paragraph out of one of his books, then a P. out of another of his books, then another and another, etc.  I have been in their churches and seen this done.
 
It is of the devil.  Some of the just sit in their 'morgues' called Branham tabernacles, and just listen to his tapes.
 
He preached and prophecied many lies.  He stated that America would be destroyed by 1977.  He said the 'rapture' would take place by 1977.  There is not such think as any rapture taught in God's word.
 
He stated that we would be in the millienum by 1977.
 
He lied.  Yet he is 'god' to millions of folks.  Any religion which has a mere man as their leader and the one who tells them what to believe is a false religion.  The True Church will accept nothing except the true Word of God the KJV.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:29 PM
From: Isaiah Sent: 11/19/2003 12:46 AM
The Serpent's Seed

In spite of his apparent humility and consecration, Branham had great difficulty controlling a strident, hateful attitude toward women. In his own poor English, transcribed from a sermon, Branham stated, "But I remember when my father's still up there running, I had to be out there with water and stuff, see young ladies that wasn't over seventeen, eighteen years, up there with a man my age now, drunk. And they'd have to sober them up and give them black coffee, to get them home to cook their husband's supper. Oh, something like that, I said, 'I...This was my remarked [sic] then, THEY'RE NOT WORTH A GOOD CLEAN BULLET TO KILL THEM WITH IT.' That's right. And I hated women. That's right. And I just have to watch every move now, to keep from still thinking the same thing."

This attitude toward women may have played a part in the development of Branham's bizarre "Serpent Seed" teaching. This was based on a twisted interpretation of Genesis 3:13, where Eve is recorded as saying, "The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat." The word "beguiled" Branham defined as "seduced sexually." He claimed that Satan and Eve engaged in an adulterous affair out of which Cain was born. Since that time evil has passed from generation to generation through women, who keep the seed of the serpent alive.  He seemed to think that women are responsible for the evil in the world because of their enticements.

The "Serpent's Seed" teaching obviously indicated that Branham didn't take the Scriptures literally, where we read, "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived and bare Cain..." (Genesis 4:1).

His animosity toward women led to the preaching of a rigid moral code that lambasted them on their manner of dress, and may have been responsible for his "revelation" that allowed for divorce.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:30 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname·Spiritwalker</NOBR> Sent: 11/19/2003 12:58 AM
Copied from his web site, here is the "serpent seed":
(go get your Tums for the Tummy first)....
  1. The most controversial doctrine that William Branham taught is the "serpent seed" doctrine. Branham claimed that the fall of man in the Garden of Eden occurred after Eve had sexual intercourse with the serpent. The serpent was the missing link between man and ape and this allowed for the sexual interaction between it and Eve. Cain was the offspring of this interaction and thus carried the seed of Satan in him, the serpent's seed. The godly seed was carried on through Seth. The seed of Satan, present in Cain, was the cause of all civilization including the educational system and scientific development (Weaver, 113). It was the seduction of Eve by the serpent which started procreation through sexual intercourse as well as the presence of the seed of Satan in man.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:32 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname·Spiritwalker</NOBR> Sent: 11/19/2003 12:33 AM
      Ellen G White.....it could almost tick you off....for all my life I never
knew an Ellen G White existed.  Then someone posts her writings and I go look at the
web sites....and all I am doing is taking my eyes off of Jesus and my time with Him.
It sorta ticks you off.  This woman is dead now and I am not.  Jesus lives ! and for Him I live
in His Gospel, the Power of God.  I don't want to take my eyes off of Jesus...He loves me and you.

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname·Spiritwalker</NOBR> Sent: 11/19/2003 12:42 AM
Well, here is another one I never heard of.  I went and looked and read about the "serpent's seed" that William taught....(sick)....and he is dead too....:
  1. On December 18, 1965, Branham was involved in a head-on car collision which proved to be fatal. Though he died on Christmas Eve, 1965, Branham's ministry survived through the efforts of his devoted ........

Head on car crash.....fatal.....oops..............ran head on.............



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:32 PM
From: joie Sent: 11/19/2003 1:22 AM
Wow.  I knew Branham was killed in that wreck, but had no idea it tore the car all to pieces.  Reminds me of that Verse which said God will tear them to pieces.
 
Now that serpent seed doctrine did not come from Branham originally.  He said he got it out of the Josephus book.  He got millions of people reading that false Josephus just as if it is the true God's Word.
He did a lot of eternal damage to this world and millions of folks.
 
Now Spiritwalker,  If you feel so strongly that you need all of your time and eyes on Jesus maybe you should not get on the computer. 
 
Now maybe God did not yet call you into a ministry of opening up these things for the hope of delivering some of God's deceived sheep.  Maybe He did not call you to war and fight false teachings which are damning zillions of folks into darkness and finally hell fire.  ...Maybe He did not call you to study and know these things so you could get on that front battle line and fight the devil and sound the alarm in God's Holy Mountain to call His people out of darkness into His glorious light.  Maybe he did not call you to fight this fight and try to warn people to flee the wrath soon to come..... maybe he did not call you to sound the alarm and be a watchman on the wall...... and warn of the enemy in the camp....
 
BUT  HE  DID CALL LARRY AND ME.  HE TRAINED US, TAUGHT US AND IS STILL TEACHING US.  I DO NOT CONSIDER MY EYES TO BE OFF JESUS AS I FIGHT THIS FIGHT, FOR IT IS THE WORK HE TOLD ME TO DO.
 
I am obeying Him.  Sure there are more enjoyable things I could be doing, like studying and receiving more revelation and praying and receiving more blessings for MYSELF.  But I must obey my calling.  If and when He tells me to change, I will do it and follow where he then leads me.
 
He just a few days ago showed me in a spiritual, prophetical dream that it will change.  I also know what we will be doing.  It will be more on the battle field than this is.  This here is only a training grounds.  We will be out there in the real world real soon STOPPING THESE FALSE CHURCHES FROM EVER MOVING AGAIN.
 
IT INCLUDES THE ADVENTIST, ELLEN WHITE CHURCH.  IT WILL FALL AND NEVER RISE AGAIN.  IT IS FROM THE LORD.  THE BRANHAM MESS WILL ALSO FALL; THE CATHOLICS, THE BAPTIST, ETC.  ALL OF THEM.
 
THEN THE KINGDOM OF JESUS WILL TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENTS OF THIS WORLD AND WE, HIS SAINTS WILL RULE WITH THE ROD OF IRON.  THERE WILL THEN BE PEACE ON THIS EARTH.
 
ALL THE FALSE TEACHERS CANNOT STOP IT.  IT IS SET TO BE.  HE HAS SHOWN ME.
 
NOW IF YOU CANNOT BE IN THIS ARMY, JUST GO ON HOME AND STUDY THE WORD AND PRAY.  IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING LED ASTRAY, THEN GET OFF THE COMPUTER.
 
OBEY WHAT YOU FEEL GOD IS CALLING YOU TO DO AND MAY HE BLESS YOU AND YOUR WORK.
 
jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:35 PM
From: joie Sent: 11/19/2003 1:31 AM
.........one more thing which makes that evil serpent seed teaching so horrible and deadly......he claimed and his followers claim that there are natural folks here today which decended from cain with this serpent seed in them and therefore   THEY CANNOT BE SAVED.   THEY ARE PREDISTANATED TO BE LOST BECAUSE THEY ARE SERPENT SEED FOLKS.
 
SHEW.  SEE WHY I FIGHT THESE EVIL FALSE TEACHINGS SO HARD?  Saying God will not save certain people;  such a lie.
 
Jo  ~~~~~ see i must teach these things.  God will hold me accountable if I do not.  Paul had the same kind of obligation and commission.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:36 PM
From: joie Sent: 11/19/2003 12:39 PM
-- In spite of revering Ellen G. White, SDA's won't ordain women.

I thought I remembered reading this in the article last night.  I wanted to get on now and find out for sure.

Now I tell any and all, this is the HEIGHT of evil and foolishness!  Any Adventist who cannot and will not see through this stupidity and ignorance is deliberately blinding their own selves.

I thought this may be the way they think, but did not know it was indeed a church order.  The reason I thought this is because once when I was a member of the old Cath/Adventist group, one of their Adventist members told me he did not believe in women teachers or preachers.  Then another one of the Adventist and the manager of the group rebuked him and said,  Everything you believe came from a woman.

Now isn't that just the rankest of idear   === they cannot believe in 'women' teachers, yet their entire church doctrine is founded upon a woman who obviously  DID NOT HAVE THE TRUE LEADERSHIP OF GOD'S SPIRIT.

 

HOW COULD SHE HAVE HAD, WHEN SHE DENIES THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE?  SHE DID NOT BELIEVE IN THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST OR CORRECT NT BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.

HER WHOLE GROUP OF FOLLOWERS ALSO FOLLOW HER INTO THIS SPIRITUAL DISTRUCTION OF THEIR OWN SOULS.

God I pray that some of these people might open their eyes and see and accept your NT Salvation.

Thank you Lord for leading us to this source of the truth of this false 'church' of leaglism.  I had an aunt who belonged to this religion,.  She and I talked a lot.  She told me of Ellen White.  Her 'god' was of course Mrs. White.  Oh they would never admit this, but when their beliefs stand upon her words and not on the Apostles words, then she is their god.  Jesus ordained for us to follow the Apostles, not some woman almost 2,000 years later.

My aunt had a time with her family over not eating meats.  Some of them desired pork, and other things which was forbidden.  I knew by things she told me that this religion does not bring happiness and joy to their member as the HG does to us.

JO


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 9:38 PM
From: Isaiah Sent: 11/19/2003 2:21 PM
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Serpent's Seed teaching

Branham taught that Eve's sin in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3) was sexual sin. According to Branham, Eve was seduced into a sexual relationship with the serpent and became impregnated with her son Cain. He explained, “Here is what actually happened in the Garden of Eden. The Word says that Eve was beguiled by the serpent. She was actually seduced by the serpent. He was as close to being a human that his seed could, and did mingle with that of the woman and cause her to conceive.�?(The Original Sin, pp. 2, 3).

Since THREE sons were born from TWO acts of Adam, You know POSITIVELY that ONE of those three WAS NOT the son of Adam - - - The truth of the matter is that eve had two sons in her womb TWO sons (twins) from separate impregnation's. She was carrying twins, with Cain's conception sometime previous to that of Abel's.�?(W. M. Branham, An Exposition of The Seven Church Ages, pp. 98, 100-101).

William Branham said that Eve's sin involved sexual relations with the serpent, but the “seed of God�?were Branham's followers, otherwise known as “the Bride�?or “the New Breed�?(The Toronto Blessing, Stephen Sizer, 1990).

The serpent's seed was Cain and all his descendants. They are predestined for Hell. The Godly seed is Seth and his descendants who have been revealed by their call to Branham's ministry. A third group, represented by those still in denominational churches have freewill to choose Heaven or Hell. The Godly seed are the Bride of Christ and will be raptured before Tribulation. Denominations are or eventually will be the Mark of the Beast and those who remain therein will go through the Tribulation. (Dictionary of Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements, p. 96).

“Here is what actually happened in the Garden of Eden. The Word says that Eve was beguiled by the serpent. She was actually seduced by the serpent. He was as close to being a human that his seed could, and did mingle with that of the woman and cause her to conceive�?(William Branham, The Original Sin, pp. 2, 3)

“Eve’s eating was adultery with the serpent, Proverbs 30:20. Remember, he was not a snake at this point. That curse came after the act. ... It was not an apple that caused Adam and Eve to realize they were naked. But it was a sex act. ... The serpent was an upright handsome creature. He was, in fact, `the missing link�?that science even in their unspiritual wisdom, can see is missing `between man and monkey.�?... Satan used this creature to get himself into the Human race.�?(Was it an Apple? (Lima, Oh: Bible Believers of Lima).

21-3 The serpent is that missing person between the chimpanzee and the man, 'cause, listen, notice this now, that the serpent was not a reptile. 23-4 What did he do? He begin making love to Eve. And he lived with her as a husband. And she saw it was pleasant, so she went and told her husband; but she was already pregnant by Satan. And she brought forth her first son whose name was Cain, the son of Satan.�?Now, this serpent, when he stood there... This great big giant of a fellow stood up there. He was guilty of committing adultery with Adam's wife. Where's sin lay today? What makes things the way they are today?

Go read your Bibles to see if this is how it happened. 

27-3 Now, Noah and his sons which come out, Ham, Shem, and Japheth, come out in the righteous line. How did the seed ever get over? The seed come over in the ark, just like it did in the beginning through the woman, their wives. They carried the seed of Satan through the ark, just as Eve packed the seed of Satan to give birth to Cain, through the woman. (William Branham The Serpent's Seed delivered Sunday evening, September 28th 1958 at the Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana, U.S.A.)

The Bible says, “Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. (Ge.4:1) He did not say I have gotten a man from Satan, who would know Adam or Branham?


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