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| From: joie2 (Original Message) | Sent: 12/12/2003 11:54 PM | John 5: 19. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23. That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
If you have the Father you also have the Son -- they are in such unity and faithfulness to each other, they will not let you have one and deny the other. Read------) John 17: 1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
(Now people, you better read that and quit listening to false teachings. This is Jesus' own words saying that ETERNAL LIFE IT TO KNOW THEE, THE ONLY TRUE GOD {HE IS SPEAKING TO HIS FATHER HERE} AND CALLING HIM, THE FATHER, THE ONLY TRUE GOD- - AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THE FATHER SENT) To deny this is to call Jesus and the Word a LIE. Now if you fear not to call Jesus a lie, and set carnal minded mens' words above Jesus' words, you just go to it; but I WILL NOT DO THIS. I believe what Jesus said.
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| From: joie2 | Sent: 12/13/2003 12:04 AM | There is not even one single Scripture saying that Jesus is the name of the Father and the Holy Ghost. You are just twisting Scripture to say this. You will never see any real truth until you get upon the right foundation. Every revelation in the whole word depends upon this true revelation of who Jesus really is. Peter had the true foundation. When Jesus asked Peter, Who do you say that I am. Peter spoke prophecy to the Christ; He said, thou art the Christ, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD. He never said you are God. Jesue verified that this was a true revelation to Peter, not from flesh and blood, but from his Father in Heaven. Your Jesus only doctrine makes all of Jesus' own words seem foolish. He said, My Father is greater than I. He said, not my will, but YOURS BE DONE. He said I came not to do my will but the will of my Father. I do always the things which please my Father. ( and you want to do away with that?) You want to call him a lie - you want to say, Oh yes, Jesus I know you did do your own will; for you are the only one. I have posted scripture after scripture proving God is not Jesus and you all just ignore it. Now you are speaking against the Word when you say Jesus was not like unto his brethern in every way. God said he was. Just because he was conceived by the Holy Ghost does NOT prove that the Holy Ghost did not give life to a full human being. Surely if God created Human beings in the first place, he could also give another human being this way. He proved it in the O.T. In Isaiah 8. Another human being was brought forth by a virgin. God always proves things with 2 or 3 witnesses. Jesus did not have the fullness of the Godhead bodily inside him until He was resurrected and ascended to heaven and then God gave Him all the power of God. There is a NEW MAN in Heaven, the second Man Adam. This new creation of God was made a quickening Spirit. If you try to make the human first Adam Jesus this one who had all the power of God, then you are doing away with this working of God which brought Jesus back from the Dead in a resurrection, gave him a glorified body and then made him a quickening Spirit. This is Second Adam. Have you never learned of Second Adam? Have you never learned of the new creation of God? Have you never learned of the New Man? This is a HEAVENLY MAN IN HEAVEN; Jesus was an earthly man which had to be done away with so the new MAN could live. This is the very same pattern we must go through. Yes Jesus was made in all points like unto his brethern. He was tempted in all points like unto us. If he had been God in human flesh, then this would not have happened. It would have been invalid. How would GOD overcoming sin be anything? God is not tempted to sin. God has all power. Jesus overcame sin just as we do; only much more completely; but he did it by faith and love for God. He did not do it by being God. Else it would have meant nothing. God cannot sin. Jesus could have. but he did not. | |
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| From: joie2 | Sent: 12/13/2003 12:06 AM | Matt. 3: 13. Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15. And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
v16--Jesus was baptized, and while still standing in the water, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God DESCENDING (means coming down) (now mind you, this Spirit of God is not in Jesus; nor is Jesus this Spirit- I saw where you said that Jesus is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost) (there is no way this could be true; Jesus did not Father himself) But look at this -- The Spirit decended down from Heaven like a dove, and lighting upon him, Jesus. Now I ask you, did Jesus decend down from Heaven and light upon Jesus? If so, please explain how this is possible. but that is not all-- wait! v17--a voice FROM HEAVEN, spoke and said, "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED" ( do you believe God or not? God said this is my Son, he did not say this is myself) Now I ask you, whose voice is this? How did it come from heaven and Jesus was standing there on earth in the water? The Spirit is there, lite upon Jesus, not in Jesus, lite upon Him, and this voice speaks FROM HEAVEN. What was Jesus doing? How was he decending down from heaven as a bird, = a dove, and lighting upon himself, and then speaking from heaven while he stands in water upon earth? huh? And you see that all as Jesus? Is Jesus a ventriloquist? I want you to explain your belief of this Scripture. | |
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| From: joie2 | Sent: 12/13/2003 12:16 AM | | God is a many-membered KINGDOM. God is not just 1 being. Learn. One means in unity; It would not be possible if He were only 1 . How can 1 be in a unity or oneness with only 1? Genesis 18 1. And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2. And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3. And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Abraham called these men Lord. There were three men; Abraham called them Lord. All through this chapter 'they' speak to Abraham and he calls 'them' Lord. Now please explain this to me. ( I am not a trinitarian, either. Both doctrines are false and of Satan). By the way, did you never wonder why there so many NAMES for the LORD? Maybe you should examine this a little further. How is it that you think God is so inferiour to us? How is you think His kingdom should consist of just 1 being? Everything else He made is innumerable. Why is he any less? How is Christ made up of many members and is the image of God? Look up the word 'ONE' as you are looking up so much else. Herein lies the secret and your delusion. | |
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| From: joie2 | Sent: 12/13/2003 12:21 AM | Do you believe in the KJV? If so why are you doing as so many 'want to be jews" doing and denying the name of Jesus? Why are you in one place denying the name Jesus and then in another place proclaiming this same name as the only name we can be saved by? Which do you believe? Do you believe this modern day 'hollogabloue" that Jesus is not a valid name and move it to Yashour or something like that? Jesus is my Saviour. I do not know this other one you speak of. I have battled this same stuff with so many 7th day adventist, it is not even funny. Why are you saying the same thing they all say? I tell you that you will NEVER understand all those Scriptures as long as you think of God as the earthly man Jesus and deny the true God. As long as you think they are one and same being, it is impossible to see the truth of God's Word. Every revelation in the whole Book is dependant upon that revelation which God the Father gave to Peter, Thou are the Chirst, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD. Not one word is said here of Jesus being that LIVING GOD. It is not the true revelation. Notice that Jesus confirmed what Peter said. What you are doing, copying and pasting all those long things in another language, is not doing one bit of good. Can you, and will you be willing for you and me to just take the KJV Word of God and start a new thread and go just one point at a time and study this out together. This way is doing no good. You are throwing too much together at a time and all it does is cloud the issue. I care not one thing for all that stuff of some old suppossed to be ancient jewish names. I go by the KJV and that is ALL I GO BY. Anything else is confusion and darkness. The truth is fully and completely taught clearly in the KJV. Everyone I have ever run into who goes to other versions and ancient jewish manuels end up in total confusion and darkness. I wish to start a new thread and just do one point at a time. You show me one thing or ask me one Scripture question and let me do the same for you. You answer all I ask you with KJV Scripture and I will do the same for all you say to me. Unless you do it this way, you will never see any truth or receive any light. Everything you say or ask is easily answered with the KJV; but I cannot do it with mile long copied stuff to try to sift through. I hope you will be willing to do this. It is the only way any truth can come forth. If you are willing to do it this way, and don't try to judge what I am saying until you let me show you Scripture proof, then I can show you everything I have said right out of God's Word and prove it to you. Leave Strong's out of this. Leave all those other copied things out of this. Can you go straight to the Word of God (the KJV) and prove what you are saying? This is the only way which is right. If what you say crosses this Scripture, then it is WRONG. Jo | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 12/28/2003 10:24 PM | | HUMMMMMMM!!!!! Now let me see here! Seems I remember someone sneering at me for not discussing the Son, who he is, on a thread which had not one thing to do with it or scriputre. Let's see now, I started this thread on the 12th of Dec. on who is the Son. Guess how many of you people desiring to talk about who the Son is took part in the thread MEANT for this precious subject? Not a single one! So I strongly suspect there is a lot of HYPOCRISY GOING ON HERE. If you truly wished to learn of or discuss the Son, why not get into this thread? HUH????????? Lord Jesus let the members of the group see and understand the devil's work in here to fight against your truth you sent Isaiah and me to teach. Let Jesus the Son of God be glorified much here. Now let's just find out if Sw or pillar truly wish to discuss who the Son is or if they just used subtlity to try and black me for teaching the truth against this evil devil-worship x-mess day! Let the truth prevail. Jo | |
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Dear Freeborn, This is what I was trying to say over on the Seeking The Truth Board. But it is like they don't understand it. It is like those verses are not in there Bible. I do not know what is wrong with people today. Why can't they read the Word and See? It is a mystery that baffles me. I asked them to show me one scripture where Jesus said he was God. Or show me one scripture where God in heaven said he was GOD. They could not do it. They think that Jesus was GOD the Father and the HOLY Ghost. Jesus was always referred to as the SON OF GOD, SON OF MAN. NEVER EVER GOD THE FATHER. I hope somebody can understand that. Tweety |
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I am sending this thread back to the top. Hope some of you knew ones will read this. Simmagus, this is a good thread on the subject you were speaking of. Hope you read this and learn the truth as the Word of God teaches God and Jesus. You are closer than most, since you already see that Jesus was not God and God is not a man. |
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Great study Freeborn, today I read a similar study on a Dutch website (the only good one on the internet, in Dutch I mean) explaining very well tha Jesus isn't God, but the Son. Gonna print your post. eelya |
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Thank you, eelya. I am glad you enjoyed the message. It is indeed a rare thing for someone to know the real truth. and that is so sad. Bless you, Jo |
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Freeborn, I had searched out some of your messages so I could have found some of your lessons so I could have done battle with this YESHUWA man. He said that those people were not telling the truth over there on the DISCUSSION FORUM because they all believe over there that Jesus is GOD. So I searched your lessons and found this. I printed it out and the message is very good. He was banned tonight from the other group, because I had jumped all over him about some of the stuff that he was saying. And they just did not want that kind of personal attack to happen over there. If too much scripture reading goes on-they might think that they are wrong in their doctrine. I am glad that he is gone. I hope he does not come back here. But he might and me and you will straigten him out. Have a great night. Tweety |
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Tweety, he will never come back here, I feel sure. I am glad you tried. God will bless your efforts. Iam glad you enjoyed the message. guess what....I a m doing my very first work on my laptop. it is hard to type on thiis thing. It i s very awkward. but i bought he router today and Wanna and I are bothon our laptops here now. it will take a lot of 'getting' used to. hope to see how well it will do. the typewritter feels good, except that it is so far up ther e to get to it. see the mistakes. |
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