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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 7/23/2007 8:30 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 1/28/2007 11:02 AM
Judging from the universal onslought against FAITH in the KJV, as the Word of God which you can trust, just the Way God has given it to us,  You who desire eternal life and God in this life, had better fortify your faith and study it and refuse to even entertain the idea, being pushed by Satan and ignorant workers,  that this precious word of God is full of errors and mistranslations.
 
If it is, as I have said so many times,  you may as well just burn it.  What good is a book full of lies?
 
and to think that so many carnal men and women today actually would have us believe that they themselves are sooooooo  knowledgable and highly spiritual,  that they can read worlds of books, and with their great knowledge,  and highly spiritual mind,  can tell us what is true and what is lies.......they take on themselves the power to tell us how it should read and how it should not read.
 
They actually now take verses and tell us how it is wrong and it should actually read.  Now mind you,  not one of them have access to the very first works which Moses wrote, or David wrote, or Paul wrote or anyone other man who wrote from the mouth of God, as Jeremiah did.
 
Not a single copy of these originals truly exists in the world today.  I grant you this.
 
Not one of these people, telling the world what the KJV SHOULD say,  where it is wrong, and where it just might be right,  not one of them actually know one word of what they call the original language.
 
Yet millions are falling prey to this fallicy that they KJV is full of errors and that they themselves are the very ones who can tell us what is true and what is not.
 
All I can say is,  anyone foolish enough to listen to this devilish outrage against the Word of God, is only ignorantly allowing your self to be deluded and probably lose your own soul in hell fire,  because you set man's words above God's Word.  In doing this,  you will have absolutely NO FAITH in the true God.
 
I am warning you all,  you had better stop listening to those who seek to tear down any FAITH you might still have in this pure Word of God,.....that is if you care for your soul.
 
And one more warning from a person whom God has given great Faith in His Word, and has given much true revelation of this Word to,  you who carry their words about and give them to others,  you are partakers of their sins.  God will hold you just as guilty as the ones who wrote their pukie junk. 
 
I care about your and your eternal life, and this is why I am taking my time to sit here and warn you.  You are dangerous grounds who seek to change the Word of God,  tear down faith in it just as God gave it to us, and allow others to tear down your own faith it the word.
 
Jo


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 8:32 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/28/2007 3:15 PM
<NOBR>1sa 25:7</NOBR> And now I have heard that thou hast shearers: now thy shepherds which were with us, we hurt them not, neither was there ought missing unto them, all the while they were in Carmel.
<NOBR>1sa 25:8</NOBR> Ask thy young men, and they will show thee. Wherefore let the young men find favour in thine eyes: for we come in a good day: give, I pray thee, whatsoever cometh to thine hand unto thy servants, and to thy son David.
<NOBR>1sa 25:9</NOBR> And when David's young men came, they spake to Nabal according to all those words in the name of David, and ceased.
<NOBR>1sa 25:10</NOBR> And Nabal answered David's servants, and said, Who is David? and who is the son of Jesse? there be many servants now a days that break away every man from his master.
<NOBR>1sa 25:11</NOBR> Shall I then take my bread, and my water, and my flesh that I have killed for my shearers, and give it unto men, whom I know not whence they be?

<NOBR>John 1:14</NOBR> And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Is Nabal saying he had killed his own body and gave it unto his men to eat?  It said (verse 11)  ..shall I take my FLESH  which I have killed for my shearers, and give it unto David's men?

So, what does this word,  FLESH,  mean here?  Does it mean his human body?

Is not this the very same kind of FLESH mentioned in John 1:14?

Judge righteous judgment.

But now, according to many,  perhaps this is not even part of the true Scriptrues?  Who knows?  We perhaps need to seek out some of the brillent folks who 'claim' to know everything about the 'original' language,  and find out if these verse are really in the true original book. 

Who knows?  Perhaps David and Nabal never even lived.  Perhaps this is just added stuff.  maybe it is mistranslated?  I am quite sure,  according to many folks today,  we cannot take this at 'face' value and just out and out believe it?

Notice also,  the men spoke to Nabal  IN THE NAME OF DAVID.

Now we know this is one of the main tripping-up places for the 'jesus-only ' folks.  When Jesus said,  I come in the NAME OF MY FATHER,  they claim this means Jesus was saying I am the father,  Jesus is the name of the father.

So by the same reasoning,  we must now presume that all the young men, who spoke to Nabal, were really David?????/  See how foolish their childish understanding gets?



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 8:33 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameeelyahomaika</NOBR> Sent: 1/28/2007 6:44 PM
Freeborn,

I often wonder if those original books written by Moses, Paul, the apostles aren't kept in the vatican.

Couldn't this be possible?Anyway we wouldn't be able to read those old languages, some perhaps.

I agree, when you come in the name of someone, you aren't this person yourself.

eelya

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/28/2007 8:15 PM
No, eelya.  I do not believe for one minute that the very first paper Moses wrote on exists today.  I do not believe it could have been preserved until the time of any vatican.  I do not believe God gave his precious true Word into the hands of those evil, devil worshippers, to keep and hold.
 
Not for one minute.  If he called Holy Men of Old to write the Word, then He will preserve it forever in the hands of HOLY MEN.
 
it is in our hearts, because we study and read the pure word which has been brought down through time,  by the same God who gave it in the first place.  He kept his word.  He chose Holy Men out of each age, with whom he could trust,  to keep writting His Word as He chose to give it.
 
If I could not believe that,  I could not believe there is a God,  and neither can anyone else.  They may say,  Oh yes,  I 'believe' in god.  but it is a god in whom they can place no solid FAITH.  Most folks do not believe this God can or does SPEAK to anyone now today.  Phooey!
 
If not, then he is not god and we are not his children.  He SPOKE to people all through the Scriptures,  WHY WOULD HE NOT SPEAK TO ME NOW?  YET MOST FOLKS GET VEHEMENT MAD AT ME WHEN I DECLARE THAT GOD SPEAKS TO ME.
 
If I could not believe that the very SAME GOD  speaks to me and anointes the TRUTH to me,  that he gave Paul, Peter, John and all the others,  then I could not believe He is still alive today.
 
In 1611, the most controversal year,  I fully believe Holy Men in 1611, were filled with the Spirit and the anointing teaching them, and they gave me the same pure word Moses wrote.   That is  my declaration of pure FAITH.
 
I fully believe that without this pure FAITH,  eternal life is impossible.  If I am going to sit around, accusing God of letting evil men or just ignorant men,  delute and pollute His Holy Word, and give me a distorted Word to go by,  which is full of lies;  error,  then I am not believing in a God for today.  See?  There is no way this is faith. 
 
 If some slick talking adventist today, can take away the Holy Ghost as the rest of God,  then (If I can believe that)  then I do not believe God.  If a baptist can say Jesus' blood cannot cleanse anyone today,  we are all still filthy and sinners,  then I am calling God a lie.  See?
 
If I think a catholic can say the word teaches me to worship a pope, then I am calling God a lie. 
 
If as Jack says,  I believe the KJV is full of lies,  that Jehovah left heaven and came to earth as a human baby, then I must call God a lie.
 
In other words,  anyone who claims that this Word of God,  which God gave to me today,  2007,  is full of lies, error,  then they must call God incompetent,  dead, sorry, a liar and all such things.
I FOR ONE WILL NOT DO THIS.  I SAY I CAN BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF THE KJV, AS GOD GAVE IT TO ME TODAY.  ELSE AS I HAVE SAID SO MANY TIMES,  THERE IS NO WORD FOR US TODAY.  GO BURN IT!
 
JO

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 8:34 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameeelyahomaika</NOBR> Sent: 1/29/2007 1:24 PM
Thanks Jo,

it was just a thought of me.

I asked it because a long time ago I discussed this with friends, but they din't know either.

never mind, God left us His Bible, which we can read daily.

eelya

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/30/2007 6:07 AM
Eelya,
 
Let me explain a little fuller what I am saying.  See, most people seem to think that the Word of God was FIRST given by Moses.  But this is far from the truth.
The Word of God is as eternal as God, for the Word is God.  God did not come into existance.  He has always been.  Moses did not give us God.
 
God gave his word to Adam.  Adam had the full word of God.  But Adam rebelled against the TRUTH and chose death instead.  Death and LAW are one and the same.
Enoch had the Word of God.  He gave it to those of his day.  Seth had the Word of God.  He passed it on.  Abel taught his world the pure Word of God.  He kept God's sheep in his day.
 
Eve was his fellow-minister.  Of course everyone disagrees with this.  Matters not.  God shows it is truth.
 
Abraham,  living before Moses, had the Word or the gospel preached to him.  By whom?  Melchisedec.
 
So see, the words which Moses wrote are NOT the original word of God.  So we are not dependant upon those original (so called) pages which Moses wrote.  The very same God who gave his word to Adam, gave it to Abraham.  He gave it to Moses.  He gave it to David.  He gave it to Nehemiah, Jeremiah,  Daniel,  Matthew, John the Baptist, John Wycliff,
Jo Smith, and many, many others, whose names I do not know.
 
There has never been a time when God did not have someone to whom He could give His Word to for their day. 
 Of course,  many workers of Satan,  lifting themselves up as ministers of light,  changed the Word, added their own foolish thoughts and handed out poison to the people.  The vast majority of people have always chosen to eat the poison as did Adam, and chose the death tree instead of the life tree.
 
Hope you understand what I am saying.
 
Jo


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 8:35 PM
From: Isaiah Sent: 1/30/2007 10:55 AM
Speaking of Moses, I have been thinking on this lately. What is you all thoughts on this?
 

Numbers 20:11 (King James Version)

   11And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

Now I looked up the word smote and here is what it means:

Strong's Hebrew Definition for # 05221

05221   //  hkn  //  nakah   //  naw-kaw'  // 

a primitive root; TWOT - 1364; v

AV - smite 348, slay 92, kill 20, beat 9, slaughter 5, stricken 3,
given 3, wounded 3, strike 2, stripes 2, misc 13; 500

1) to strike, smite, hit, beat, slay, kill
1a) (Niphal) to be stricken or smitten
1b) (Pual) to be stricken or smitten
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to smite, strike, beat, scourge, clap, applaud, give a thrust
1c2) to smite, kill, slay (man or beast)
1c3) to smite, attack, attack and destroy, conquer, subjugate,
ravage
1c4) to smite, chastise, send judgment upon, punish, destroy
1d) (Hophal) to be smitten
1d1) to receive a blow
1d2) to be wounded
1d3) to be beaten
1d4) to be (fatally) smitten, be killed, be slain
1d5) to be attacked and captured
1d6) to be smitten (with disease)
1d7) to be blighted (of plants)

Also looked up the word rod and here is what it means 

Strong's Hebrew Definition for # 04294

04294   //  hjm  //  matteh   //  mat-teh'  //  or (fem.)
  //  hjm  //  mattah   //  mat-taw'  // 

from  
05186  ; TWOT - 1352b; n m

AV - tribe 182, rod 52, staff 15, staves 1, tribe + 04294 1; 251

1) staff, branch, tribe
1a) staff, rod, shaft
1b) branch (of vine)
1c) tribe
1c1) company led by chief with staff (originally)

Ok then I went into the NT and found this.

Mr 15:19 - And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.

Smote here means : Strong's Greek Definition for # 5180

5180   //  tuptw  //  tupto   //  toop'-to  // 

a primary verb (in a strengthened form); TDNT - 8:260,1195; v

AV - smite 9, beat 3, strike 1, wound 1; 14

1) to strike, beat, smite
1a) with a staff, a whip, the fist, the hand
1b) of mourners, to smite their breast
2) to smite one on whom he inflicts punitive evil
3) to smite
3a) metaph. i.e. to wound, disquiet one's conscience

Reed means: Strong's Greek Definition for # 2563

2563   //  kalamov  //  kalamos   //  kal'-am-os  // 

or uncertain affinity; n m

AV - reed 11, pen 1; 12

1) a reed
2) a staff made of a reed, a reed staff
3) a measuring reed or rod
4) a writer's reed, a pen

Also went in the NT to see what it said about twice and here is one of the verses that had the word twice in it.

Mr 14:30 - And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.

So my question is this, is this not the same as what Moses did in smiting the rock?  It said that they smote him on the head with a reed? Is this not what Moses did? did he not do the same as those in the NT. did he deny the Rock what was Jesus twice? the word said he smote the rock twice?

What are you all thoughts on this? 



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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameeelyahomaika</NOBR> Sent: 1/30/2007 6:47 PM
Thank you Jo,

well about Moses having written the five first books of the bible, like so many claim he did,something doesn't fit.
In Deuteronomy 34:5 Moses' death, he couldn't have written that himself.

You're right, the Word was passed on via Adam,Henoch,Seth....etc...

Isaiah, good study!!!The cock crowing twice, Moses smiting the rock twice...well, I have to think about this for a while.It never crossed my mind to see the link.

Ok, let you know later.

eelya

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 8:36 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/30/2007 8:17 PM
Hi eelya,
 
Now I always considered that when Moses wrote of his own death, that it was PROPHECY.
 
Jesus foretold his own death several times.  So there I cannot say.  I do think perhaps that Moses wrote it and was only writing the words of God, which included the prophecy of his own death.  What u think of that?
 
Now, Isaiah.  You did give us a good study to study on.
 
right now, I am not getting anything, so i will wait to say anything about this.  Just got home from work, and not up to anything right now.  also, hope to maybe post the message I wrote this morning before leaving.  Need to pray about it first, as I already have.  but hope to hear more from God on this before I pass it on.
 
thanks to you both, for your good words here.
 
Jo

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameeelyahomaika</NOBR> Sent: 2/1/2007 9:45 AM
Hi Freeborn,

well it's good possible that when Moses wrote of his own death that it was prophecy.
I never thought about this.But like you said: Jesus foretold his own death several times.

Isaiah, it makes sense to me, Moses was disobedient.And by smoting twice on the rock, well this rock could be seen seen as an image of Jesus, the rock.

Great study Isaiah.!

eelya

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameAxs2-381</NOBR> Sent: 2/1/2007 11:46 PM
Isaiah, a good thought and I see what and where you are coming from.
 
We have a LAW,  and by our  LAW,  He ought to DIE."
 
Moses, the  LAW shall SMITE that  ROCK and He shall be afflicted and DIE FOR THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE.
 
That LAW smote that ROCK.
 
By that LAW sin entered, and  DEATH by that sin.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameAxs2-381</NOBR> Sent: 2/2/2007 12:12 AM
Ex 32:15 -And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.

Now I see, Grace on one side of and law on the other. It was the law that smote the rock.

Isa 53:4 - Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Ps 69:26 - For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.

Isa 53:5 - But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 
Zec 13:6 - And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
Isa 53:4 - Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isa 53:7 - He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/23/2007 8:37 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 2/2/2007 3:42 AM
Wow.  That is a great revelation, Axs.  I think some of this goes along with the revelation I was receiving just before I got up.
 
.......written on both sides.........the evening and the morning.  We shall see.

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamerollingstone444</NOBR> Sent: 2/27/2007 10:13 PM
My, this is truly a deep subject.  I am overwhelmed by all of this.  but I will alos sutdy more one it.
 
bye for now.

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