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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 6/24/2008 8:09 PM

~~ Grace, made known ~~

Equality is the heart and essence of Grace. Without EQUALITY, there is no Grace. I will now show you that Grace was NOT made known, before the starting of the New Testament. Therefore if you go back to the Law of Moses, you could not possibly be living in Grace.

Eph 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Notice Paul said he was given the dispensation of Grace. Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Now see that in the past age of law; old Israel; Moses; that this Grace dispensation was not known unto the sons of men, but it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit, which is the Holy Ghost. These prophets go with the apostles, not the law. This is the working of Grace.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

So see that this mystery was hid in God from the beginning of the world. It was not known to those under law.

Those are powerful words--- that this mystery of Grace was HID in God, from the beginning of the world. So this proves without a doubt, that Grace was not lived or known by the past peoples. Moses did not give the people Grace. He gave them law. The law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

So for anyone to go back beyond the teachings of Jesus Christ, is to fall from Grace and lose your souls. There is no salvation back under that bondage of law. I have taught this so much and so clearly for many years, till I cannot see how anyone who has ever read my messages could still be deceived by this great error.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Now this establishes clearly that the law is not of faith. So then salvation is impossible by the law. If one cannot have salvation under the law, then under law one is dead in trespasses and sins.

Now I want to show you few things which clearly define the difference in Law and Grace. There are two different messages, or laws, all through Scripture. One is law, the other is Grace. They are total opposites. One is death, the other is life. One is darkness, the other is light. They are characterized by a few simple laws. The main one is the unity of the Saints of God or being ruled over.

Ac 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

If one does not have the Holy Ghost given to him, he has not obeyed God, no matter how much he may claim to be keeping the commandments. Living by the old law of Moses is NOT OBEYING GOD. It does not get you the Holy Ghost as is proven in that all those who live by law do not even believe in receiving the Holy Ghost.

Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace

Ga 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. Ga 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Ga 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

Now here Paul shows that someone hindered those people by taking them back to that old law, and thereby kept them from obeying the TRUTH. Thus they fell from Grace and Christ is of no effect to them. Since the law is not of faith, it proves that they left faith and went back to law.

Col 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:

If a man is a servant, having to obey some master, he certainly is NOT free, but is being ruled over. Is this of God? No way. Jesus did not teach us to be servants and in bondage.

2th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 2th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

This solidly proves that God will destroy all who obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ. Did Jesus teach us to go back to that old law of Moses? No way. Did he agree with the law of Moses and have the woman stoned to death for adultery? No, he gave her grace. Did He teach us to give an eye for an eye? No. He said not to avenge yourselves. Did he say stone to death all who break the law? No, he said forgive every trespass against yourselves.

Here is the message of Grace: Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Ga 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Ga 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Ga 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Ga 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Ga 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Ga 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Ga 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Ga 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Ga 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Ga 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Ga 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

See, the law of Grace is that we are all one, or equals. In Christ there is neither male nor female. So as long as a person sees a distinction between women and men, in Christ, (not in the flesh, silly.)…they are not in Grace. If you think a woman cannot do as a man, you are looking at the flesh, not the spirit. So you have not come into Christ. In Christ Jesus, it is not what we are in the body, it is what we are in the Spirit.

Here is the law of the law: 1co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 1co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Now so many twist the above verse, trying to hold to that bondage over the female. But this is not Paul commanding them to be silent. It was those men who wrote and asked Paul questions. They had brought up this question of women having to keep silent and not be permitted to teach. Notice how Paul rebuked this. What? Came the word of God to you or out from you? If you be spiritual acknowledge that the things which I commanded you are the word of the Lord.

He was telling them not to go by that law of Moses. It is ignorance to go by that and not come into grace, where we are ALL ONE. Equality is the essence of Grace. Without EQUALITY there is no grace. If one is still held in bondage, being RULED over, that one is not in grace, but in bondage of law. There is no freedom in this law. For if you hold another person in bondage, you also are in bondage.

Notice also the �?/FONT>YOUR�?/FONT> WOMEN�?it is speaking of those who have been brought back under that bondage of law. Paul could never have recommended such Godly women leaders as Phoebe, if he thought she could not teach or lead.

Under law, one rules over another, and has the preeminence. Under Grace, we are equals, with no one ruling over another. We are brothers in the Lord.

Watch how Jesus took his disciples out from under the bondage, of being ‘servants�? This transition from law to grace is what he is showing here: John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Under that law of Moses, they were considered to be servants. But under Grace, we are considered to be Sons of God. This is solidly proven here: Gal 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; Ga 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Ga 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, Ga 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Ga 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Ga 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

He clearly shows that ye cannot become SONS until you are redeemed from under that law. Since you came out of that law, you are no more a SERVANT, but a son. How much plainer could it be said? If you cannot see this, you are bound to stay in your darkness and lose your soul. This is not hard speech. It is very easy to understand words.

So then, what does this mean: >> Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

So many church people try to live by this verse, claiming that they must obey their pastor. This is not in harmony with the other verses I have shown here, that in grace, no one is in bondage, or being ruled over. So then what does the above mean? It is quite simple, when taken in harmony with these other verses above. Go back to those verses in Gal 4. Ga 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; Ga 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

See. The child is one who has not grown up and is still in school, under the teachers, or tutors. The LAW was our SCHOOLMASTER. Why do you have so much trouble with this simple matter? Ga 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Ga 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Ga 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

See, BEFORE FAITH came, we were under the law. But after faith is revealed, we are no longer under this SCHOOLMASTER. We are no longer a child, under the elements of the world. We are now FREE in Christ, or Grace. Then we are no longer servants, but Sons of God. So if you are still under that law, you are not in faith, nor are you a son of God. Then you must be RULED OVER. So then, since you are still a child, under this bondage of the elements of the world, the law, then you should obey them who are ruling over you, and hope you can grow up and get out from under this bondage. But until then, keep on obeying them you allow to rule over you! But this shows that you do not yet have faith…BEFORE FAITH CAME.. We were kept under the law of obey those who rule over you.

Ga 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Ga 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Ga 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I do not try to interpret Scripture from visions or such. I let the Word of God interpret itself. This is the only right way. Those Prophets, writing Scripture, in the Old Testament truly had visions showing them mysteries of God. But now, no one is allowed to interpret the Written Scriptures such a way. It must be in perfect harmony with all written Scripture. That is why I quote Scripture to prove everything I say. It cannot be rebuked, for it is proven with pure Scripture. Anyone who would call this a lie is denying the Word of God. Not because I said it, but because I quoted God’s word.

Now for one more solid proof that in Christ’s kingdom, or Grace, one does not rule over others. Mt 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. Mt 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; Mt 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Mt 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Here again, Jesus proves that the desire to be greater than other brothers is not of God:

Lu 22:24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. Lu 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

Lu 22:26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

Now that is too clear for anyone to miss this. If you lift someone up above others, and if someone desires to be lifted above others, it is not of God. It is evil. In Christ we are ALL ONE. This is the true message of GRACE.

The kingdom of God is the same way. It is one body, made up of many members, neither one lifted up above another. That is equality, and the only means of pure love. So God is not going to allow those of you who desire to rule over others, or to be ruled over, into his Kingdom to disrupt his EQUALITY.

By: Jo Smith ~~~ June 24, 2008

 

 

 



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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 6/25/2008 12:47 AM

Gal 3:13 **** Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

What was the curse? ***************************

Gal 3:10 ****For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: **********************

Now what curse is he talking about? Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: **********

Now what tree? ***************************

The tree of knowledge of good and evil. Go back to Genius chapter 3 and you will see.

It started in Gen. chapter 2 when the LORD God said ***********But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

3:17 *****  17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, [LAW] of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;


So if you eat of the tree which is law knowledge of good and evil you will be cursed and you will surely die in your sins.

You have a choice to hangeth to that tree and be curse or God gave them a chance as he will anyone. How? *******************************

Genesis 3:22 ********* 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, [GRACE] and eat, and live for ever:



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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 6/25/2008 12:48 AM

Are we servants or children of God? What is the difference in a servant and a son? Well let’s look at some Scripture to find the answer.

Hebrews 3:1--Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

v2--Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

v3--For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.

v4-- For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

v5--And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a SERVANT, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;

v6--But Christ as a SON over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Now, this states that Moses was a SERVANT over his house. Moses is with the LAW.

Jesus was a SON over his house. Jesus is Grace.

Now watch this borne out in other Scriptures.

Gal. 4:1--Now I say, that the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

v2--But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

v3--Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

v4--But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

v5--To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of SONS.

v6--and because ye are SONS, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

v7--Wherefore thou are no more a SERVANT, but a SON: and if a Son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Now one might think it is speaking of being young in Christ when he said as long as we are a child we differ nothing from a servant, but No. That is not what he is saying. Go back and look at it again: He said BUT when the fulness of time came, God sent forth his Son, made under the law to redeem then that were under the law, so we could receive the adoption of SONS.

So what it is really saying is this: as long as one is under the law, he is a child, he is under the tutors and governors, being the law. The law is the school master, or the tutor. So we go to the school master as long as we are a child.

It is the same thing Paul said was the ‘in part�? BUT when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part is done away with. The ‘in part�?is the being under the tutor, or law. For He said when I was a ‘child�?I thought as a child, I acted as a child (remember, this is one under the law)--; BUT when I became a MAN (Son) --(one under Christ, or in Jesus�?house)-- I put away childish (law) things.

When that which is perfect = Grace, or being in Christ -- is come, that which is in part, (law) or (childish) is done away.

That is when you change from being a ‘servant�?to being a Son.

The Book of Isaiah and other places calls Jesus a servant of God. Why? Because he was made under the law. He came here as a Servant.

But look at Romans 1:3--Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

v4--And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.

Now don’t you see that when Jesus was RESURRECTED from the dead, He came out from under that Law and brought in Grace? This is when He changed from being a Servant to being a Son, sitting on the throne with His Father? Now he is no longer a Servant, but a Son over His own house.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/25/2008 2:28 AM
Now that is food for my soul, Larry.  Thank you so much for this great addition to the message.  That is really a great revelation about hanging on that 'tree of law'.  Took my breath away with joy when I read it.
 
This is a marvelous message.  Can you imagine other sites doing all the foolish, nothing things they do, when this kind of glory is sitting there, undiscovered in the Word of God.....to feed us and make us grow up in Christ Jesus to the point we may work all the wonderful gifts he promised to those who believe and are in Christ.
 
I prayed today for God to feed me today..and he surely has done so in reading your messages.  I get so sick of the junk I read when I do look at some other sites.  it is truly a waste of precious time. 
 
JO

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/27/2008 9:46 PM
I took this from under another thread, which we did a good while back. I am once again, 'fishing' for our messages, on Does Your Church. 
 
simply cannot find that thread.  but I saw this under another one we did, on the Trumpet Messages.  I want to put it here, with this grace message:
 
 
From: joie Sent: 12/13/2002 12:22 PM
Gal.5: 16.  This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
 17.  For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
 18.  But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 19.  Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
 20.  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
 21.  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 22.  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
 23.  Meekness, temperance
:
against such there is no law.
 24.  And they that are Christ's have
crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
 25.  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 26.  Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
 

Seems pretty clear to me, from the above Scripture, that going back to law, since Jesus brought us all into grace at nautral birth, is the SIN.  All this other followers being back under the law.

Do you see how he linked all this works of the flesh, which condemns the soul, to being back under law?

Under grace, our sins are covered and hidden.  Therefore, we are not guilty of any sin.  We are clean.  Seems to me that going back to law, denying the sufficency of Jesus, of Grace, is the SIN which damns the soul.

So, the  UNBELIEF, you speak of is this:  they did not believe Grace alone was sufficient, they needed to add the works of the law, which was already condemned by God. 

When Jesus told them YOUR HOUSE is left desolate--- this fulfilled Mal. 4: 1.  This is where he burned that covenant up and left them neither root nor branch.  So to go back there (to the law of Moses) is to bring condemnation to yourself; for you have fallen from Grace.

By  GRACE are you saved.  No one is justified by law.

Seems pretty clear to me, then, that going back to the law of Moses is the unforgivable sin - for this is the doing DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE - WHICH IS THE HOLY GHOST.

THIS IS ALSO WHY THEY CANNOT RECEIVE THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE OF HIS UTTERING THROUGH ONE, IN ANOTHER TONGUE, KNOWN ONLY TO GOD.

THANK YOU LORD JESES, FOR YOUR AMAZING GRACE SHED UPON ME.

JO


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