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| | | From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 8/1/2005 2:52 AM |
If you will notice in Gen. Cp. 1, the man and the woman were created TOGETHER on the sixth day. Right? If you will notice in Cp. 1, All the animals and plant life and insects were created BEFORE MAN AND WOMAN. Also notice that they all had the seed of LIFE in themselves; they were all after the God kind. Notice that God did the creating in this chapter. Now look at cp. 2. V4--who is doing the creating here? Now I know that without the true revelation that God and His Son the Lord God are different beings; yes even different kinds of beings, then this will not mean much to you. But, the LORD God made this earth and heaven. Yes there are two different earths and heavens. Matter of fact there are three. Did you never hear of the THIRD Heaven? Job speaks of an earth whose dust is gold. Would you not love to see that? Now, read carefully verse 5. I ask you, do you think the man was already made in chp. 1? Then why did it say here "and there was NOT a man? There was not a man to till the ground". To till the ground? but I thought Adam was made to rule the earth; not till the ground? so what is this? A servant? Yes. Not a ruler. v7--And the LORD God (not God)---formed man of the dust of the ground...... and this man became a living soul. 'formed' out of dust. This is totally different from being created in God's image. God's image is NOT OF DUST. It is spirit. God is a spirit. So a man in His image is Spirit. The second man Adam was made a quickening SPIRIT. Jesus, after his resurrection was in the IMAGE OF GOD. the man Jesus, birthed by Mary was of the dust - first man Adam, in the likeness of sinful man. Like it or not. That is what the Word says. See, cp 1 is prophecy not fulfilled until that resurrection of Jesus. That man in God's likeness is Jesus Christ; not Adam. Jesus Christ is the ruler of this world; not Adam. Now see that Man of the dust of the ground was made BEFORE any animals. before the trees of the Garden....this man is all alone.......no animals.......no wife.........then after all the animals are made (formed of the dust...... made with his hands.......then last of all he puts this man to sleep and takes a rib and makes a woman........now show me any of that in cp. 1. Know what? You can't do that; for it is not there. It does not match. It is two different worlds; two different earths; two different heavens; two different creations. One in the likeness of God, a spirit; all having life in themselves. Cp. 2, is a world, a creation in the likness of the Son of God, the LORD God. It is flesh. It is of dust; it does NOT HAVE LIFE IN ITSELF; IT MUST BE GIVEN LIFE BY THE HOLY GHOST. |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/1/2005 2:55 AM |
| From: joie | Sent: 3/1/2003 3:20 AM | | If you believe that this chapter proves a second creation, then is it correct to say that you believe there to have been, 2 Edens, 2 Adams, 2 Eves....2 everything, all given the same commandment by God, to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, as in v17. Perhaps you believe there were two earths?(lolady) Yes, Lolady there are two of all these things. Proof: 2 Corinthians 5 1. For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3. If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. (here is the same nakedness Adam was in in that Garden; mortal)
4. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
Now, see that v.1 said we have two different 'houses' or bodies? One of this earthly tabernacle. and another one which is eternal in the Heavens? How much clearer does it need be? Phil. 2: 5. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: (see how this matches that the servant in Cp. 2 of Gen. was a servant? so Jesus came here as a servant, in a body of dust)
8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Now don't you see here also, that Jesus had two different forms or bodies? After the resurrection is says that he appeared to them in ANOTHER FORM. He had taken on himself his body from Heaven which was is eternal. I have one there also. So does every true child of God. We all have an eternal body in that world made in cp. 1. I will have that body put on me at the resurrection --- that mortality might be swallowed up by immortality. See, the chapter one creation is IMMORTALS. Chapter two is dust mortals. Glory. Open your eyes. Now for one more: 11Peter 1: 13. Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
14. Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. See how he spoke of putting off his TABERNACLE or body? We must put off mortality and put on immortality = two different bodies. Paul said we have the natural first; so we come here as dust creatures first; then at the resurrection we get our house from Heaven == chp. 1. | |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/1/2005 2:56 AM |
| From: joie | Sent: 3/1/2003 3:21 AM | | Where did or do you all think that Heavenly, glorified body comes from? | |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/1/2005 3:00 AM |
| I am confused about this teaching. We have been on it before, but not in such depth. The 3 world business...is one of the Heaven? Gold dust, streets of gold? Now don't ya'll make fun of me or shout at me, cause this ole gal is serious! I am so glad that Beffers told his story. I would like to hear more and I have noticed a big change is Isaiah since the first time he wrote on this board. And Beffers is true in stating the lies we got from our whore churches. Do you think they ever attempted to explain any of the creations to us when they barely could explain the second one? Is it my fault that I do not completely understand? Yes and no. It appears to me that the three of you are close enough to get in each other's faces and talk and discuss all these things. I get the tidbits here on the board...and ya'll know what you're talking about/have been talking about, and me, I have to try to figure it out with whatever help the Holy Spirit gives me. An open mind is all I have. It seems to me that if we could understand where we came from, then it'd help us to understand where we are going...and you know, we all want to go there! So do not think I am being a smart alec in words I might say...I want to understand! If this is something that God feels I need to know...then I have to understand it. It helps when you give scripture to explain it...I know it is more trouble...but if I'm just beginning to get it and you quit....I'm lost again. God kind, are they spirits and are they angels? It was a spiritual creation? And it still exists? I have alot of questions about the first creation because until ya'll said it, I'd never heard it before...and you know that. I think I understand the Adam and Eve creation...the dust kind. That is what I am, dust...I'm dirt....and Jesus said that sometimes we are dung! That is not so good. I think I am a little depressed today...too much snow and no blue skies, and fog, drizzle and clouds...day after day. It is a good day to enjoy the Word, lift our spirits and love one another. I hope ya'll will be on the board today and we can talk from time to time. And where is Pillar? I wish he'd get into this discussion. So, thank you brothers and sisters who are trying to teach the Word. And, I love you all, "Spiritwalker" | | |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/1/2005 3:04 AM |
| From: joie | Sent: 3/2/2003 1:53 AM | when people read the word, they miss what is really being said. That is how we know for sure that chapter one and two are two different creations. Look back at cp.one. It said the man and woman were brought forth together there. This is Jesus and His Bride. This is prophecy. God declared the END at the beginning. God is prophesying how things will end in cp. one. Now look at chapter two; here the first thing brought forth was the man. Then the animals; and last of all he put the man to sleep and took a rib and made a woman. That did not happen in the first chapter. In the first chapter, the man and woman were never seperated. In chapter two the man was made first, then animals, then last of all the woman. The first chapter is a perfect world, then and forever. There everything had the SEED OF LIFE IN ITSELF. This is incorruptable, God life. This is a spirit world. The spirit world is considered the MALES. They are the SPIRITS. They have the ETERNAL LIFE IN THEMSELVES. Now the second chapter is flesh people; made of the dust of the ground. the first chapter is not dust. This second or earthly creation of dust creatures (us) is considered the FEMALES of the universe. We are flesh. The body without the spirit is DEAD. Without God's spirit is us, we are spiritually DEAD = DEAD IN TRESPASSES AND SINS. We have to be given a spirit from God to be MADE ALIVE. This spirit is the Holy Ghost. This is the SEED OF LIFE. Read my message on the true seed; it explains this. All the people here, dust frames, are dead without the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is from the spirit world of Gen. One. We have an eternal body there, eternal in the heavens, not made with hands. created by the spoken Word. The dust creatures in Gen. Two. were MADE BY HANDS. The Lord God made us with his very hands out of dust. We are dead without a spirit being given us. We do NOT HAVE LIFE INSIDE OURSELVES. We do not have life in ourselves. We must be given life. The body without the spirit is dead. Without the Holy Ghost, we are dead. But there all live, eternally. Jesus went from here to there. The first one to do that. He was given His eternal glorified BODY from that spirit world of Gen. One. Jo | |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/1/2005 3:08 AM |
| From: joie | Sent: 3/2/2003 2:06 AM | The Lord God created a fleshly world that matched the spiritual world that God made so they could be united as a man and wife and become one. He had power to create as God. When he said let us make man in our likeness and image. God made man in the likeness and his image, a spirit world, and his son made a fleshly world in his likeness and in his image because he was flesh. This fleshly world will some day marry the spiritual world. That is the marriage. Some day when we receive our glorified body from that spirit world and it swallows up this mortal body and we become one that is the marriage. The tree that had life in itself in Gen. 1 is that glorified body. The seed that had life in itself that is the husband. This earthly world, us flesh beings are the females of the universe. We do not have 'life' inside ourselves. That is why we must be given life; that 'seed' of life is placed in us by the Holy Ghost. Then at the resurrection when we receive our glorified body from that Chapter one creation, that is when our 'husband' comes and takes us and marries us. That is when mortality is swallowed up of immortality; that is when we put on incorruption. that is when That world marries this world. That heavenly body marries this earthly body. We become one. Gods�?world marries Jesus�?world. God himself will come down and be our God. That means that God himself married this earth and puts Jesus as the King. The whole earth, the King and all subjects are considered one being. One unit to God and the heavenly world with God the Father being its head and all the heavenly hosts is the male part that marries the female part. The new heaven and the new earth. The Bride and the Bridegroom. Here comes the Bride and Bridegroom.
A deep glorious revelation and God is the only one that can show this to you. Pray and search the scriptures and he will open your understanding to this message if you will allow him to. Study this out and allow God to open your understanding. Pray for me and I will also pray for you. May GOD BLESS. Thanks Joie for this wonderful message. I know that you spent a lots of time with this message and I did also. I hope it does someone some good. | |
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Tweety, and everyone interested, I am sending this thread back up, so you can study it if you wish. It was done back in 2003. But the truth we are discussing now about the creation is already written up in this thread. We have a full message way back somewhere in this group, on the Two Creations. I taped this message back in 1997. Larry (Isaiah) then sat and typed this up off of that tape. Long hard hours of work we both put into this message. Read this. Then ask your questions. We will take it slow and help you understand this hidden truth. Joie |
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