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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 11/16/2006 2:16 AM

~~ Eat my Flesh ~~

John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Here Jesus told the people to labour for the MEAT which endures unto everlasting life. So what MEAT, or food, is this speaking of? Now this is of utmost importance to everyone’s eternal life, to learn the truth of this matter. See that Jesus called it the meat which endures unto everlasting life. So this proves it is needful in order for you to obtain everlasting life. You absolutely must come unto the truth about what this MEAT is. Let the Word of God interpret this to you. Do not go by what some man says. He is not the author of eternal life.

John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. John 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Now to the casual reader this seems to be saying that Jesus was telling them that he himself, Mary’s son, was this bread of life, which came down from heaven. And herein lies the major confusion of the entire church world. Not being able to discern the real meat of the word, which Jesus was teaching here, has taken this entire world into total darkness and confusion, by believing lies about the Word of God.

I have already written several messages on this very subject. But I see that people just cannot get this truth. So I will keep trying to get this truth laid out in some kind of simple manner, which the babes can get.

Now see that in verse 27 Jesus told us that some kind of MEAT gives us everlasting life. He said for us to labour for that meat. Now if you desire everlasting life, you need to obey this Scripture. But in order to labour for this ‘life meat�?you must first know what this meat is. That is what I am attempting to explain in this message. Also take note of the fact that Jesus said the son of man is the one who gives us this meat. So we must go to his words in order to obtain this meat. That is what we are doing in this message, going to the son of man’s words for truth.

The people attempted to debate this issue with Jesus by saying: John 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

But notice what Jesus answered to this: John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Now read this carefully and prayerfully. Notice that Jesus said the bread of God is HE which cometh down from heaven and gives life to the world. Then he said I am the bread of life. So this makes it look as if Jesus is telling us that the son of Mary, Jesus, is this bread. So if this be true, then you will end up just as those Jews did = leaving, wondering how you can eat the body of Jesus Christ. For if that is the true interpretation of what Jesus said, then you would indeed, have to take and eat the actual human body of Jesus, IF that is what he is speaking here.

Since no Scripture tells us that anyone left heaven and became an embryo inside Mary, then we must seek for what the Word DOES say came down from heaven and became bread for us to eat.

John 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

The Jews murmured because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. Their minds went to the fleshly, human man standing there before them. It blinded their minds, for they were carnal minded. They could only ‘hear�?or ‘see�?natural things. They had no spiritual understanding. So it is today.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Now see that here Jesus took it to a TEACHING. So who or what teaches us of God?

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Now this shows that the Comforter, (which is a ‘he�? the Holy Ghost, will guide us into all truth. But where does this truth come from? John 6:48 I am that bread of life. 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Now you will need to take this message slowly and study it carefully. At first glance, you will do as those disciples, who went back, and walked no more with him. They were too carnal minded to see into what he is saying here. All they could think of was this human man standing there in human flesh. Their minds were on this body-flesh. But It is certain that this is NOT what Jesus was speaking of.

Notice that he told them, the flesh profits nothing. Then he said, The WORDS that I speak unto you, THEY (the words) are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.

Now he had said, if you EAT this FLESH, it will give you eternal life. It is life. So now he has clarified that it is WORDS which he is speaking of. WORDS. His human ‘flesh�?profits nothing. But the FLESH which he was speaking of eating, WORDS, this is LIFE. It is SPIRIT. So when he spoke, it was SPIRIT, IT WAS FLESH, IT WAS LIFE. Why?

De 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. De 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Now, there is the explanation, from the Word of God, as to what these WORDS are, which we must eat to have eternal life. See Peter had the true revelation. He said, thou (Jesus) have the WORDS of eternal LIFE. So it was words which is this FLESH which Jesus is giving the world. It is the WORD of God. God had told Moses, I will raise up a prophet like unto you, from among their brethren, (human) and I will put MY WORDS in his mouth. He shall speak all that I command him. Whosoever will not hearken, or listen, or eat, or hear, MY WORDS which he is speaking, I will require it of him.

So, now, that is conclusive that the WORD OF GOD is this FLESH which Jesus is giving us, which we must EAT in order to have eternal life. Thou hast the WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE. Words. The Word of God. This is the bread, this is the flesh, this is the meat, this is the spiritual food, which Jesus gave the world. This bread, this flesh, the Word of God, is what came down from heaven. It was the Word of God speaking in Jesus. God was in Christ. But it was the WORD.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word WAS IN THE beginning. Jesus is the beginning. He is the beginning of the new creation of God. So the Word was in Jesus. Did not we prove in Deut. 18:18, that God said he would put HIS Words into the mouth of Jesus? This Word was God. See? The Word is of God. This is the part of God which was inside Jesus, the WORD. This Word is God. This word was always with God, for it is his thoughts. He put his thoughts into Jesus, to give to us, so we can know, accept, live and obey, which is to eat, the Word of God, in order to have eternal life. There is no life apart from the Word.

Those people KNEW that they could not eat the human body of Jesus, so they went away, stumbling at the Word, for they were carnal minded. But those twelve knew that Jesus had something more than they understood. So they waited and listened and let Jesus ‘feed�?them enough Word, to give them the full understanding. This is the very flesh, or bread, or food, which Jesus told his disciples to FEED MY SHEEP. It is sheep food. It is the Word of God, which is God. If you have the true Word, you have God. So did Jesus.

Now, how did this Word seed come down from heaven? Remember that the Holy Ghost is the one who guides us into this truth. So the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary and placed the seed of God into her. This seed, or word, grew into a son of God. But this son was fully human, being born from the natural seed of David and Abraham, through Mary. But now that is not the full matter. Here is the deep and real interpretation of the one who came down from heaven. Let’s go back to John 16 again. 16:17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?

John 16:18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith. 16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye inquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me? 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

John 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

Now it is evident here that Jesus was speaking of his coming death. But notice how he went into the matter of a woman being in travail to give birth to a child. Why did Jesus take this thing right here to a woman being in travail? He said when she is in travail she has sorrow, because her HOUR IS COME. (His hour had come). He was in anguish. But as soon as she is delivered of the CHILD, she remembers the anguish no more, for joy that a MAN is born into the world. A Man? At birth?

Re 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: Re 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Re 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Now everyone is confused right here. They think this child which was born to us, was the baby which Mary gave birth to. But this is just not the case. See, that child never was called the everlasting Father. He never had any government on his shoulder. But notice that this is the very same manchild spoken of in Rev. 12:5. See it said that THIS child was to rule all nations. It also said that this child was caught up unto God and HIS THRONE. Now this could only be one being, and that is the resurrected Christ.

Ps 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ps 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Ps 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Now look at this. God has said here, I have set my king upon my holy hill. So this king was set down on the throne of God. We know no one fits this except the resurrected Son of God, in the likeness and image of God. But now I know how easy it is for your minds to slide right back to thinking in terms of the human person, Jesus, right here. But that is not who is meant. If any of you can ever get this revelation, the entire Word of God, will be opened up to you in a great depth and truth, which you have never seen before. And it must, if you are to eat his flesh and find eternal life.

So when and how was this son begotten of God? I have taught this over and over, but I will try to bring it all together here, hoping maybe even just one soul can see this truth.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Ac 13:30 But God raised him from the dead: 13:31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. Ac 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, Ac 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Ac 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

Now see that both these Scriptures show that Psalms 2 was fulfilled the day God raised Jesus from the dead. This is the day he said, thou art my son, this day (the day of the resurrection) I have begotten you. So this manchild was born the day Jesus rose from the dead. This is when God beget this Son, not the day Mary gave birth to a human baby. Why is this so hard for everyone to see?

But you absolutely MUST see this revelation, before you can EAT his flesh and find eternal life. Else you are NOT eating the words of God, which he commanded Jesus to speak to us.

So now, try to hold onto the thoughts I have presented so far, and go on into this: The Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, and from this, Jesus was born. Jesus was not God. He was a corruptible man. See that the Scripture in Acts 13 declares that he was of corruption. God is not of corruption. Only earthly creatures are mortal and corruptible. So Jesus was a mortal, corruptible man. He was fully human. He was not part God. God was in him, by the Word which God placed there.

But now what was the purpose of the Holy Ghost placing the Word seed into a person? It was for the purpose of producing a CHILD OF GOD. (Wow. This is so beautiful. It is getting glorious now.)

So, now follow this closely. I am going to show you how God placed his word into Jesus and how Jesus became a woman in travail, to birth a Son of God, the manchild, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. You know that Mary’s child was NOT caught up to the throne of God. He died. So who was the manchild who was caught up to the throne of God? It was the Emmanuel. It was the son of the virgin. So let’s look at that. (If you studied my message on the Emmanuel, you would know this.)

Mt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Mt 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Mt 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Mt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Notice, Mary and Joseph were told to name their child Jesus. They did not call his name Emmanuel. He was not God with us. He was a human baby. So then, where did this Emmanuel come from? From that ‘woman�?in travail, at Calvary. That is the virgin to God. (not saying that Mary was not a virgin, but she is not the one which Isaiah prophesied about.)

Look at the wording again. Verse 22 says, Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled that a virgin shall be with child. All of what? All of that from verse 18 - 21. All of the above, verse 18-21, was done so it might be fulfilled about the virgin bearing the Emmanuel. Who was this? It was that woman in travail at Calvary. It was Jesus, the son of Mary.

Now look at all this message has proven. One must be overshadowed with the Holy Ghost, to have the Word of God placed into their spiritual womb. Then the Word of God starts to teach this person (the receiver of the Word) how to become in the image of God, by eating this holy flesh, the Word of God. Then as the recipient of this Word grows by obeying and learning the Word, then this person becomes more and more a child of God. As this child of God matures inside this person, then it produces a fullgrown child of God. This is only evident at the resurrection of the person. The seed, the corn of wheat, must die and fall into the ground, in order to bring forth the manchild.

So, inside Jesus, was this Word of God growing and maturing as he learned and conformed to the Word of God. Thus he was the virgin with child. He was the ‘woman�?producing this manchild of God. Remember I showed you how that all human flesh is female to God. The flesh, our bodies, is the female to God, the Spirit. The Spirit is the male, or the giver of life. So God, the male, the Spirit, placed his seed Word inside of Jesus, the man. So then Jesus became a virgin with child. Inside him was growing a new man. This new man was the manchild of Rev. 12, which was caught up to God and his throne. But this was only after his resurrection. In his life time, Jesus was not caught up to the throne of God. He had to come forth a new creation, at the resurrection, before he could ascend to the throne of God.

This manchild, was the spiritual child of Jesus. It was his life made perfect by the Word of God, which was placed into him at his baptism, when the Holy Ghost came upon him, and anointed him from on high. This was when and how that Word came down from heaven. That Dove came down from heaven, and lit upon Jesus. It abode with him all the days of his life, teaching him the pure Word of God. Then Jesus fed this message, or the Holy Flesh, to the world, via his preaching. Heaven opened, that Door opened, the Holy Ghost filled him, and the Word came down from Heaven into Jesus, and Jesus ate that Word all the days of his life. Then that Word became one with Jesus, and Jesus came out of that grave, in the likeness and image of the Eternal God. Now he sits upon the Throne of God, in heaven, and is our God. Praise His most Holy Name. Now he is Emmanuel inside me. He is God with ME, Jo Smith. His Word is inside me, conforming me to the Word of God, so I can produce another manchild, in his likeness and image, at my resurrection.

If you cannot hear and eat this message, you have no life in you. It is too clear and proven all the way with the pure Word of God. It is not made up junk. It is not hand-me-down doctrine. It came straight from Heaven to me. It is the bread which came down from heaven and gives life to this world. It came out of the mouth of Jesus Christ, for it first came down from heaven and came into Jesus, as God put his word into the mouth of this prophet. Jesus is called the servant of God through Isaiah. He is called the prophet of God here. He is the teacher of the Word of God. But he was never called God. Only when he ascended to the throne of God, did God then call him God. If he had been God while here on earth, none of this glory could have been accomplished. If he had already been God, he could not have been the virgin with child, showing us how we have to live and do in order to become of the God family. God could not have done this, for God was already God and already perfect, and already the one with life. Jesus had to acquire this the very same way we must, by obeying and conforming to the Word of God, which came down from heaven and filled Jesus. It is too good to distort by claiming that the man, Jesus, was already God at the beginning of his life. It is lies of Satan to keep you from learning how to become a child of God. To claim that Jesus was God in his lifetime, on earth, is to deny that he was made perfect in the things he suffered. It is denying that he had to live an overcoming and obedient life. It is denying his sufferings. It is denying that he is the one who bore the manchild to God. It completely destroys all the real glory and truth of Jesus. He was a MAN of sorrows and acquainted with grief. He was God’s humble servant. You deny this when you claim he was God. Why do you strip Jesus of his real glory? Can you hear?

By: Jo Smith ~~ November 15, 2006



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From: joie2Sent: 9/14/2008 9:48 PM
No.  Jesus is not God.  I have shown you this many times.  You are just deceived by false teachings.  You do not believe in going by what the Scripture teaches.
 
Jesus Christ was a human man, not God.  No, Jesus is not God.  God said for us to worship his Son, whom he set on the throne of God.  But Jesus is not God.  He is OUR GOD, because we worship him.
 
God certianly does NOT HAVE ANY DARKNESS, NEVER HAS HAD AND NEVER WILL HAVE.  yOU ARE DECEIVED AND A DECEIVER.
 
You have no truth.  Yet you go on pretending that you are some great teacher.  You are nothing but a puff of air, being blown about by every wind of doctrine coming along.
 
Jesus Christ has and had a human mind or spirit of his very own.  The Spirit of God, was NOT the life of Jesus Christ.  He had a corrupitable body and life exactly as we have.  He could have sinned and become corrupt IF HE HAD DESIRED TO  DO SO.
pEOPLE  who are trying to pretend that Jesus was God are belitteling him and claiming that the  ONLY reason that he did not ever sin, is becaue he was God and could not sin.  that is toommie-rot, foolish lies of the devil.
 
Jesus Christ was made in all points like we are.  He is the beginning of the CREATION of God, meaning the New heaven and earth.  He was the end of that old heaven and earth.
 
does not mean he was before all things.  You cannot see the difference between Jesus and His God, is why you are so confused.
 
But I am not confused and I am not going to allow you to sling your mud at me personally, here.  If you want your stupid posts to remain, just stick to your own false teachings.  I do not need one thing from you, so it matters not to me.  You will never convince me of your lies.
 
God send strong delusion to those who HATE THE TRUTH, AS YOU DO.  YOU ARE UNDER STRONG DELUSION, FOR YOU HATE GOD'S TRUTH.
 
God does NOT deceive his own people.  You who are deceived were deceived before.  Since you hate God's truth, he will add to your own deceived mind.
When God hardened Pharoah's heart, it was hard to start with.  It was already rebellious.  So God merely hardened it more and used this rebellious vessel for his own purpose.  So it is with those under strong delusion.   THEY HATE TRUTH TO START WITH.  GOD DID NOT MAKE THEM HATE HIS TRUTH.
YOUR MOCKERY OF THE PRECIOUS GIFT OF TONGUES, PROVES YOU ARE ALREADY A REBEL AGAINST GOD AND HIS TRUTH.  YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN GOD AND CAN SLING YOUR FILTH AGAINST HIS TRUTH.  SO GO AHEAD......YOU WILL END UP UNDER STRONGER AND STRONGER DELUSION.  BUT IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT...NOT GOD'S FAULT.
 
ANY JERK WH0 CAN ACCUSE gOD OF  being the serpent, is already so deceived nothing can help you.  so be deceived.

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From: joie2Sent: 9/15/2008 8:04 PM
I have MANY ,MANY messages in this site, already clearly answering your questions.  If you would take some time and study some of my messages, especially on the Jesus-only board, you would be able to come to see this truth.
 
Certainly, there is a big difference between these two words:  (look at the spelling ---LORD -----Lord.)
 
aLL CAPS,  is speaking about God, the Father.
L   (small  ord)  Lord  is speaking about Jesus.  Jesus, being a man, was MADE   BOTH  Lord and Christ.
 
God was never MADE anything.  He always has been, self-existing.  He did not have to be MADE anything.
 
It is speaking about the ONE Lord, WHO IS Jesus Christ.
But when it said,  ONE GOD AND ONE FATHER, that was/is speaking about God, who is a SPIRIT.
 
Jesus is NOT A SPIRIT.  He said,  a SPIRIT has not flesh and  bones, as you see me have  ---- after his resurrection.
 
hE CLEARLY said here,  I am not a  SPIRIT.
 
God is a spirit.  jesus is a flesh and bone man, now.

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I did not say that Jesus CHANGED into something else.  I have already told you this before.  You simply cannot 'hear'.
God said he set Jesus on the throne of God ,  not me.  God set Jesus to be our God, not me.  I am glad of it, but God is the only one who had the power to do this.  This is a great honour and reward to Jesus for his perfectly obedient life.
 
He achieved what Adam strived to get for himself.  But Jesus was NOT seeking to become God. He was content to serve His God.
 
God did this.  read it in Hebrews one, for yourself.
 
No,  Jesus is A HUMAN MAN, MADE EXACTLY in all points as his brethren.  Why is it you cannot read that and understand it?
 
He had his very own human SPIRIT.  it is totally seperate from the Spirit of God.
God was in Christ, but JEsus  IS A MAN, WITH A MAN'S SPIRIT, APART FROM THE SPIRIT OF GOD,  Just as I have my own spirit, apart from God's spirit, which is also in me.
 
I am not God.  Jesus was not God.  Jesus is  man, now in heaven,  the mediator between God and men,  the MAN, CHRIST JESUS.
 
All of your carnal explainations will never change this truth.  all denominations, being false,  everyone of them, came up, by carnal men trying to find some explaination for this, apart from God' s truth.
 
You are no different.  running from the real truth, and attempting to set up some carnal reasonings, which will do away with Jesus christ being a human person, whom God rewarded for his perfect life, and gave him to be our God.
 
But the truth of this will stand eternally, in spite of all the carnal minds who ever lived and tried to do away with this truth.  It will still STAND.

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From: joie2Sent: 9/17/2008 5:37 PM
Sky, if you have truth and you  have love, why do you keep lying about me?  Why do you keep lying and saying that I hate you, and that I delete truth?  I have never said that I hate you. YOu made up this lie.  this is not love.  it is the hate.
I do not lie about you.  I do you no wrong...that is love. I have not deleted one single truth.  You speak no truth.  but your lies about Bottf and me are not going to stay here to run others off with!
 
I did not 'run' from your site.  I saw no need to stay there.  I do not have time for that, since you reject everything I say.
 
You are making up stuff in this post.  I have never one time said that Jesus was at enemity with God.  nor am I at enemity with God.
Every person has their very OWN HUMAN SPIRIT, APART FROM GOD'S SPIRIT, ELSE WE WOULD ALL BE GOD.  anyone who doesn't know this, is truly blinded and dumb.
 
None of us are God, as Jesus was not God. Jesus was a human person, like unto his brethren.  made like unto Moses.  Was Moses part god>?   Did God say, I will raise up a god to them?  NO.  He said,  I will raise up a PROPHET, like unto Moses, unto them.
 
That is exactly what God did.  Jesus did not claim to be God, nor that his words were his own.  but his spirit was his own.
 
God gave Jesus the Holy Ghost WHEN HE WAS BAPTIZED, AT AGE 30.
If you have proof of anything different, quote that verse here.
 
yOUR reasoning is so mixed up, it is pityful.  Every human being has their own spirit, which is not God's spirit.  This does not mean we are at enemity with God.  It means we are a human being.
 
When we choose to obey God and love him, then he will give us His Spirit to abide in us.  THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY OUR OWN HUMAN SPIRIT.  That will never, ever cease to be.  Jesus still has his own human spirit, even now, in heaven.
 
He is still JESUS CHRIST.  He is still an individual.  There is no use trying to explain this to you.  YOu do not want this truth.  I have already said it enough times, that if you could or would hear the truth, you would already know it.
 
You do reject the truth for you love the lies of man.

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