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Freeborn551 (Original Message)

Sent: 7/27/2007 10:42 AM

Now when I give pure Scripture saying what I say, or rather I am saying exactly what it says, how can any you call it my interpretation? It is God's interpretation.

But on the other hand, you accept doctrine which has not one single Scripture saying what it says.

My teachings, pure Scripture, which God gave me, covers every bit of it. If you were teachable, you would see it.

Call it far-fetched if you please. But I am telling you it is of God.

It is not my interpretation. I could never have thought of such a thing, just as you can't, because I never heard it before.

now let me show you something. And I can assure you, I really do not have time for this today. I am letting all my own personal things go to try to help you.

Maybe that means nothing to you. but it does to me. I have two grandchildren here with me, which I keep during the week. and I must make ready to go spend the entire weekend taking care of a totally helpless woman. I must be there tonight. and not come back home till Monday morning.

But I care enough about helping God's children, to take up my time and sit here and write all this stuff. I do not copy and paste my messages. I write them all.

Now: Listen. Mary is not the one who bore the Emmanuel. why? Because the Emmanuel is the manchild. that means it was the spirit of Jesus, perfected.

It means the very same thing as when we must prepare ourselves to be changed into immortal. No one else can do this for us. We all must do it for ourselves. I can tell you things. But you must study it and accept for your own self.

I can pray for you. but you must repent and live for God yourself. See? Now the FALSE teaching that Jesus was born as God has caused everyone to miss this glorious truth.

Jesus was not God. Jesus was a man. Not one single Scripture says that Jesus was God. You cannot find it.

If you know of one, show me. do not add your own interpretation. quote a verse saying Jesus was God, or where Jesus said, I am God. It is not written.

You only twist what is written to come up with that lie.

Now the Word says that Jesus was the only begotten son of God, right? But this begotten son was not Mary's baby.

God does not beget his sons within the womb of a woman. Hear this and hear it well.

Let me show you something. and please take the time to read all of this. read it twice. at least. you own yourself that much.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Now please read the above verses carefully. Look at what is truly being said. As many as received him, he gave them the power to become, (see that? BECOME SONS OF GOD).

which were born, not of man, (our human birth), but of GOD.

So see, that being born the first time does NOT MAKE ANYONE SONS OF GOD.

Not even Jesus.

God did not beget his son in Mary's womb. So then where did he beget his Son? In the spiritual WOMB OF JESUS.

Yes, that is the correct answer. Jesus had to believe, love, obey and worship God, have God's spirit inside himself, and allow that Spirit of God to conform Jesus to the image of God, in order to become a begotten Son of God.

Read that again.

Jesus is the only one to whom God personally did this thing. And He did it inside Jesus, not inside Mary.

Now since that time, since Jesus was resurrected into the image of God, being glorified as is God, having obeyed God till the very end, even unto death, this God raised up his son into immortality, to sit upon the very throne of God himself and rule there as God. ....telling the angels and everyone to WORSHIP MY SON. (this is why Jesus is worshipped as is God.)

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

You need to study Hebrews one. Study it really good and ask God to reveal it to you.

Now see that God told the world and angels to worhip his SON. See, Jesus is still his Son. He is not God. But God set him there as God. God called Jesus God, and himself God to Jesus. Have you never seen that? No trinity or Jesus only could explain that correctly. It would not be possible, for it does not fit either doctrine. And I can show you many more which does not fit either doctrine, because both are false.

Now back to the manchild:

See that being a Son of God, born of God, does not come from our first birth. That is why Jesus said ye must be born again. Yes, even Jesus had to be born again. His first person, or outer man, Adam, could not enter into Heaven. He had to be given immortality. This did not take place in that stable. It took place coming out of that grave.

So, God had to put his Spirit into the heart or soul of Jesus and Jesus had to obey God and grow up into the image of God, in order to come out of that Grave as the only begotten Son of God.

Why the only one? Because the rest of us have to come by Jesus. We have to worship Jesus as our God. Obey Jesus as our God. This is by the decree of God, Jesus' God. and Jesus' Father.

But Jesus is our Father.

Jesus is our God. but not the baby birthed by Mary. He died and went to hell.

But he was resurrected as God's son.

Inside himself he was God's Son. Even at twelve, he called God his Father. Now that is not a child calling himself God to himself. He was not speaking of himself, when he said, I must be about my Father's business.

Now, Jesus is the one who gives us the Holy Ghost. But God is the one who gave the Holy Ghost to Jesus. see?

No trinity or Jesus only could rightly explain this:

Ac 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Now if Jesus and God were equals, as trinity say, why and how did God have to anoint Jesus with another member of God and with power?

If Jesus is God, and Jesus is the Holy Ghost, how and why did Jesus have to anoint Jesus with Jesus? See the foolishness of such teachings?

No. It said God anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost and power. what Power? answer in John one....power to become a Son of God.

Jesus himself verified the prophecy in Isaiah, the Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because HE HAS ANOINTED ME.

See how that fits exactly this in Acts ten? Now you show me your belief this way. solid with Scirpture. Now call this far-fetched , if you dare.

But the begotten Son of God was born from the inner man of Jesus, not Mary's womb. You can fight this all you wish, but it is the truth of God.

That manchild, the Holy Child Jesus, grew in the womb of Jesus, not the womb of Mary. It is spiritual.

That is the only way any of us will become sons of God. It must be in our womb, be we man or woman. You have a chirstchild growing inside you, IF YOU ARE A TRUE CHILD OF GOD.......but, this babe was put there by JESUS.

Jesus is the one who gives us the Holy Ghost, not God. Jesus is our Father. Jesus is our husband, Jesus is our God. but he has a God and he has a Father, else you call him a liar.

God beget Jesus as a son of God......but it took place inside Jesus, not inside Mary.

Jesus gave Mary the Holy Ghost, at Pentecost, and then, inside Mary, grew her manchild. But it was herself, bringing forth a begotten Son of god, which was Mary, herself, being conformed to the image of the Son of God, Jesus.

Do you understand this? It is so simple and clear, and truth.

the son of God, which Mary birthed, was her own inner self, her new man. Her own spirit being quickened by the Holy Ghost, which her natural son, Jesus, gave to her.

But the Emmanuel, which Isaiah prophecied about was birthed by Jesus himself. Jesus was that virgin...a virgin to God.

He is the only one begotten by God himself. Jesus begets the rest of us as sons of God. This is why it says we are ADOPTED as sons of God.

See how both those false doctrines have hidden this beautiful truth.

Jo Smith...July 27, 2006

From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 7/27/2007 10:42 AM

Please take the time to study my message on the Proof of the Emmanuel.

Take the time to sit and number 1-14. then do it again. then one more time.

Now write down all the names listed in Matthew one. Do not use the geneology in Luke, because this one lists all the people of the flesh, leading up to the birth of the fleshly Jesus.

but the one in Matthew only names the ones who had the spiritual seed in them, leading to the Christ, or the Emmanuel.

See the proof that Jesus in not 42. He is 41. Proving that the Emmanuel was the son of Jesus. His emmanuel. or his inner man coming forth as a NEW CREATION IN GOD.

Now if that does not show you something, then truly, you may as well let this alone, for you will prove that you cannot understand spiritual things.

From:

Bro_Bryan

Sent: 7/27/2007 11:06 AM

I want to persoally thank you again for all your posting at SNW. I'm sure when you were oneness, you were just as dogmatic as the majority are. I can only speak for myself, I'm not a know-it-all, nor am I above correction. You will also notice, that none of your posts were deleted, proving that I try to keep an open forum. I'm glad you are a part of our group, and again I say Thanks.

Though I'm not sold out on the Emmanuel thread, partially because of my lack of understanding, I will not claim it to be untrue. Please remember when you deal with oneness folks, they are very closeminded, because of indoctrination. I try to keep an open mind, but on the other hand, I don't want to be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. I appreciate all your efforts and standing up for what you believe. Your integrity is immeasureable.

From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 7/27/2007 12:01 PM

Bro Bryan,

and again I do thank you for your kindness and willingness to allow me to teach there. I only hope to help others come into the glorious truth of God, as his word really shows it.

and I hope you will be active on my group. I do not have many active members. used to. but they cannot accept truth. so most left, and I did away with many who were inactive too long.

Yes, when I believed in the Jesus only doctrine, I was very strong about it. and still would be, except that God had mercy on me and spoke directly to me, (his knowing that I was honest and seeking His truth) he told me it is not true.

There are just too many Scriptures which it directly crosses, for it to be true.

You are honest, which I do not find in many folks.

I believe in one God also. but I know that this one God does NOT CONSIST OF ONLY 1 PERSON.

Please answer my questions: How many churches are there? How many brides of Christ? why do you all not answer these things? afraid of what it would reveal?

If you and the others here would only try to answer the questions I have asked, it would give you enlightenment.

We do not need to be carried about of every wind of doctrine, yet we must remain open for God to teach us.

Pray for God to give you his truth. That is what I do. If you mean it, and allow him, He will teach you.

But we must study the Written Scriptures, not man's literature.

Take everything to the Word and PROVE IT. God said prove all things. It must be written to be true.

Jesus is God.....is not written.

Jesus is divine...is not written.

Jesus has a dual nature....is not written.

Jesus is diety......is not written.

Jesus is the only person is the Godhead.....is not written.

Jesus is his own father....is not written.

Jesus is his own God....is not written.

The baby in the stable.......was God......is not written.

I believe that you are God......to Jesus...is not written.

So if you are already in false doctrine, then truth must bring you out. This is not being tossed to and fro. It is becoming established and unshakable on solid Rock.

We must all tear down those false walls of Babylon, in order to rebuild the true walls of New Jerusalem.

that is what God sent me to do.....tear down those walls of Babylon.

and build up my part of the walls of New Jerusalem.

So try to answer the things I bring up. for your own sake.....and of those who listen to you.......I am settled, unshakable,,,,on the solid Rock. God put me there, not man.

Explain Acts 10:38;

Ac 10:38

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 7/27/2007 5:13 PM

This is something I wrote to someone disputing what God showed me about the child in Isa. 8:

Now I asked you to prove that Isaiah made that prophetess pregnant. you have brought forth nothing from that passage, yet you think you are qualified to just say I am wrong in what God revealed to me. Maybe you never read it, so God could not speak to you about it.

Sure I know Jesus is our Emmanuel. I have never said he was not. But God said there was another one, a pre-runner. there had to be an old testament witness of this virgin birth. That is how God does things. Just because you never heard this before, does not mean it is wrong.

answer my question: why did Isaiah take faithful witnesses to record what took place with that woman? Do you have any idea? NO, of course you do not. You never even knew this was in the Word before I told it. Now honestly , did you?

can you give an honest answer? remember, God is watching you deny his revelation.

Has God revealed it to you? If not, why are you so bold as to deny something God has not revealed to you? maybe you should stop running off at the mouth, and pray and seek God's truth.

Now Isaiah had children of his own. Nothing is said about his taking faithful witnesses to record their conception. why?

Why did he take FAITHFUL witnesses to record the conception of this child? any idea? Of course not.

Well, I will tell you. God had given King Ahaz a sign. Here is Scripture . Now when you go rebuking this, and stating that it is wrong, give me written Scripture. You claim that the man made her pregnant, without one word of Scripture to prove it and then have the gall to say I do not give Scripture. Funny to me that people always take this attitude when faced with truth which they hate, but can do nothing with. Funny how you can accuse me of teaching without Scripture, which is a lie, then you do it! Is that Christian?

I am accused of this all the time, yet all my messages are full of perfectly quoted Scripture, saying exactly what I say.

Here it is:

Isa 7:10	Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,
Isa 7:11	Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
Isa 7:12	But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.
Isa 7:13	And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
Isa 7:14	Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15	Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
Isa 7:16	For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. (how does this pertain to Jesus?)
Isa 7:17	The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

God had told Ahaz that this virgin born son would not know to refuse the evil and choose the good, before the land which he hated would be forsaken of both her kings.

So in order for this son to do that, be that sign to Ahaz, in Ahaz's day, a virgin born son had to be born BACK THEN. and it had to be proven.

That is exactly why Isaiah took the faithful witnesses with him.......to PROVE THAT HE DID NOT TOUCH THAT WOMAN.....BUT ONLY SPOKE THE WORD TO HER.

Now if you doubt this, take this same Scripture and EXPOUND IT, using the Word as proof.

you cannot do it. so all you can do is accuse me of false stuff.

From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 7/27/2007 5:14 PM

This is the solid PROOF:

I ask all of you, read the Scriptures below. If you cannot see that this is speaking of the very same thing, you need to learn to read:

Isa 8:1 Moreover the LORD said unto me, Take thee a great roll, and write in it with a man's pen concerning Mahershalalhashbaz.

Isa 8:2 And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah.

Isa 8:3 And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Mahershalalhashbaz.

Isa 8:4 For before the child shall have knowledge to cry, My father, and my mother, the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria shall be taken away before the king of Assyria.

Isa 8:5 The LORD spake also unto me again, saying,

Isa 8:6 Forasmuch as this people refuseth the waters of Shiloah that go softly, and rejoice in Rezin and Remaliah's son;

Isa 8:7 Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks:

Isa 8:8 And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.

Isa 7:10 Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,

Isa 7:11 Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.

Isa 7:12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.

Isa 7:13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isa 7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

Isa 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

Isa 7:17 The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

***

Read 8:4..He said before this child knows to cry My father and mother, the land would fall to the king of Assyria. v7 and 8, show that this king of Assyria will come to their land, which he called Immanuel.

Compare this with 7: 16, and 17. It is saying the very same thing.....before this virgin born child knows the refuse evil and choose good, the king of Assyria will come into their land.

How much clearer does it need to be? Do you really think you know all the workings of the Living God?

All of you, study this, then tell me how this fits in the days of Jesus? No king of Assyria is coming into Judah at the time of Jesus. if you know of such, please inform me.

All I know of was Herod and Rome. If you know where the king of Assryia was involved at the time of Jesus, show me. If not, why are you disputing this solid proof?

From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 7/27/2007 5:47 PM

I hope all of you will take the time to study and compare these two chapters on this virgin born son.

See that they are both speaking of a son born back in the days of ahaz. the proof is that the king of Assryia came into their land, while this child is a baby, both chapters say this.

Why did god was a great roll written about this child, Mahershalalahashbaz?

why is he so important. and yet nothing else is mentioned about him, that I have found.

He is this virgin born son, mentioned in Isa. 7.

I truly do not see how anyone could dispute this. No king of Assryia came into the land of Judah, at the time of Jesus' birth. at least not that I know of.

But I see clearly that this is speaking of Mahershalalhashbaz.

I KNOW JESUS WAS VIRGIN BORN. I AM NOT DISPUTING THIS. I KNOW HE IS EMMANUEL. I AM NOT DISPUTING THIS EITHER.

But this prophecy was fulfilled in that child back then, in Isaiah's day.

This is a mystery, which God revealed to me many years ago. There is solid proof when you compare chapter 8 and 7.

Being virgin born, does not make one be God. that is the real significance, and why people hate this truth. It goes against the grain of everthing they have already been taught.

But know what? only one Olive Tree existed BEFORE the seven churches set in.

That Olive Tree is the one which had the truth. Since that time, when the first of the seven churches set in, truth has been lost.

I see the second Olive Tree coming back up. for this truth is revealed again.

Glory.

From:

Bro_Bryan

Sent: 7/27/2007 8:06 PM

I may be wrong, but how can one claim to be a true monotheist, and yet believe in a dual nature? Would that not make them a binitarian?

From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 7/27/2007 8:31 PM

Bro Bryan, what do you mean by dual nature? I think they are saying that Jesus had the nature of man and also of God.

I think they mean that Jesus was both God and man. I hear they say the outside , or human part, is man and the inside is God.

None of this is true. None of it is taught in Scripture. If people would learn to take everything they hear or think, to Scripture and either prove it or disprove it, then they could come to the light.

They all, we all, must learn not to add one word to God's Word. Or take away one word. this means we must be able to read it in the Scripture exactly as it is stated.

if we insert one word of our own, that makes it a lie.

God commands us not to do that. if you hear a thing, and none of it is written in Scripture, as they say it, then know that it is lies.

God the Son, is a term which is not one time written in Scripture. The Son was not God.

No Scripture ever says that God came to earth as a man, in human flesh, or robed in flesh. all of these things are made up lies, trying to explain what they do not know.

No scripture says that Jesus had a dual nature. It is lies, made up to try to prove the false teaching of JEsus being God.

Is there any such thing in Scripture as a binitarian? where is that in Scriptrue?

is monotheist in Scripture? No, it is not Scripural. God told me to only use Scriptural terms. If you do this, you will be safe and find truth. To seek for the answer to God, by numbers, or how many, is the height of folly. It will NEVER, EVER give you any truth. To say that God is 1, 2, or 3, is to belittle God more than you can imagine.

God is not in number. any more than human is in number. any more than stars are in number. The members of God cannot be numbered. He is infinite.

(hope you some day see this great truth).

So to say you believe a monotheist god is saying something not written in Scripture. it is foreign to God.

So what does God say about himself? He said as the body is one but has many members, so is Christ, who is the IMAGE of God.

He said we are all one. Jesus said my father and I are one, and the Jesus only people grabbed that up and ran wild with it, in all the wrong directions.

They refuse to deal with all the other places this word, One, Is used in this same way.

Paul said we are ALL ONE. Why do they not conceed then, that there is only 1 person in the human kingdom?

He said there is one bride of Christ...why don't they decide then that only 1 of us made it?

He said husband and wife are ONE FLESH. Why don't they say one of them disappeared and only 1 is left? It is the same thing.

Why did Jesus pray in John 17 that we all would be ONE AS THEY ARE ONE? what did he mean? that all of us die and cease, to be, except 1 of us?

why can't you all see that the Jesus only doctrine is not proven anywhere in Scripture. It does not match one single thing written in Scripture.

is Mary the mother of God? did man kill the word of God?

why not deal with these things? if you wish to come to the real truth.

GOD IS A KINGDOM OF INNUMERABLE MEMBERS.

God is not a person.

God is not just 1. anymore than the Church is just 1 member. or our human body is just 1 member.

Study what the word DOES say, and let what men say go for a while. See what is written in Scripture, for that is all we have of God's word.

God did not say he is a monotheist. now did he? No. he said he is ONE, meaning the same thing paul meant when he said you are all ONE.

and on the day of Pentecost, they were ALL in ONE MIND AND ONE ACCORD. does that mean only 1 brain was among them?

decide for yourself. pray and ask God to give you his truth......if that is what you want.

Have a nice weekend. Hope to see you on Monday.

Goodnight.

From:

Bro_Bryan

Sent: 7/27/2007 8:44 PM

I realize that Jo, I'm talking about the dual nature that the UPCI, ALJC, and PAW adhere to, as taught by David Bernard.

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