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~ Is Satan God’s Son?~

I am asking you a question-- answer not from you own thoughts, but from the Word of God. If you say no, then I ask you to answer this Word in Job. The question: Is Satan a son of God?

Find Scripture for the answer.

Here is my answer:

Job 1: 6. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

9. Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10. Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

11. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

12. And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

Job 2

1. Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

2. And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

3. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

4. And Satan answered the Lord, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.

5. But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

6. And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.

7. So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

Now the first thing to find and answer for yourself from this passage of Scripture is WHY WAS SATAN COMING TO PRESENT HIMSELF BEFORE THE LORD ON THE DAY GOD SET FOR HIS SONS TO COME AND PRESENT THEMSELVES BEFORE THE LORD?

WHY WAS SATAN THERE PRESENTING HIMSELF BEFORE GOD? I say there could be only one reason - he was a son of God. Else he could not have been at that meeting. If he were NOT a son of God, why did not God ever make it clear that he was not supposed to be there at that meeting of the sons of God?

Notice that there is never even one word said between Satan and God to indicate that Satan did not have the same right to be there as any other son of God?

Notice also the power God placed into the beings hands to go and smite Job as he did? Why?

Now for the next thing I want to point out from this Scripture is this:

When God asked Satan where he came from, Satan answered , from going to and fro in the earth and walking up and down in it.

Now why is this stated in the Scripture here? For one reason; and that is to positively identify this being, Satan as the Adam, Cain spirit.

Why? Look up fugitive in the Strong’s concordance. It says: in #5128-- fugitive - make to go up and down, be gone away, move . to and fro, be vagabond.. wander (up and down)

Now what does this show? What was Cain’s punishment? He was made to be a fugitive and a vagabond. So Satan said he came from doing what Cain was made to do - go to and fro, walk up and down in the earth.

People, every word in the Written Word is there for a purpose. It is there for our learning. So what can we learn from this? That Satan is Cain. Satan is Adam. This is their punishment, to be made to go to and fro, to walk up and down in the earth, to be a fugitive and a vagabond.

John 6: 70. Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

71. He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Now in this Scripture Jesus called Judas a devil. Why would he call this human man a devil?

Rev. 12: 9. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

See, here it called that old serpent the devil. So this ties this man, that old serpent, and the devil together.

Now I want to point out why the thing is said twice in Job about Satan coming to present himself to God with God’s Sons. The Word said in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. So here God has established that Satan goes before God with His Sons. This, to me, identifies Satan as a Son of God. I say this has to be Adam and Cain, and the rest of man-kind. The reason I say this is Judas is also called a devil. Jesus called Peter Satan. Jesus called the Priests and Pharisees serpents.

There you have all three titles for Satan: Judas, a devil; Peter, Satan, the hypocrite priests and Pharisees, serpents.

Now if any of you can show how this is not true to the Word of God, please do so.

By Jo Smith, March 1, 2003

Dear jo, I am not sure I got your 'Cain-Adam spirit'. I am not sure if you are saying that Adam was actually satan, or that satan posessed/influenced Adams rebellious behaiour????

The thing with human beings seems to be that once we are exposed , (through words or actions)

to something, it is then up to us as individuals to take it on board or disregard it. When satan sowed the seeds of dout in to the mind of a perfect humanbeing who had not since then, concieved of it. We do not know if he would heve concieved of it at some later time on his own. That is not the issue. Satan caused another to stumble, but the stumbled one has to also be responsible for his lack of faith/given into weakness, whatever you want to call it, he is responsible for his part. His behaved like satan. He could, I suposed, hjave said to satan something like "Get away from me with your lies about our father" or "or to Eve "I will not take part of something that God has forbidden us to do" I cannot imagine how things would have turned our if that had happened. I do feel that God may have been happier with his servants.

Genesis 6:1 to 3 - '...the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose' - I have heard two explainations on this

1. That 'the sons of God' were rebellious angles looking down and wanting the daughter of men.

And your explaination

2. That they were the remaining members of Adams desendence who were still faithful to God , but that they noticed the daughters of unbelivers (daugters of men, because at this time there were no real nations, only small tribes/extended family groups, villages and city-states) and took them as wives. (they should have gone to another distant relatives tribe/group who were belivers to find their wives

Example 2 seems to be in harmony with the repeated problem being faced by all those who want to live by God, being exposed to other ways which are not of God, thus being in danger of developing habits, belifes and ways which God disaproves of. This is because, I think, that like Adam and Eve, these exposures can/have caused people to stumble into false worship in order to fit in with the world/the nations (satans way).

It's a simple human traite that we see/hear it - we do it or think about it and then repent/pray for strenght to resist it - or give in to it. BUT once we are exposed to it the fight to deal with it begins.

Oh no, I do rattle on, sorry, but it is so consuming and energizing to reason on the scriptures.

Thank you dear friends.Chat soon

Thanks for your interest in these important matters. And may you continue to grow in grace and knowledge of truth.

Yes, I do mean that Adam and Cain were and are the actual Satan. I know this is hard for people to see into because it has not been taught by the main-stream churches......but then, when did they ever teach any real truth?????????

It has taken me many, many years of dedicated and continuous study of God's Word [not other people's writting ABOUT their thoughts of the Word, but the Word itself] to finally see these truths which have been hidden or covered up by the false 7-churches which existed SINCE the one and ONLY true church, that of the Apostles in Acts.

I will bring back up some of my messages which teach this truth more clearly. I hope you will study them, compare them with the written Word and let God show you.

What I ask people, if Adam were NOT Satan, then find and reveal the true Satan out of Scripture. Satan is nothing but the carnal, law-minded mind of Adam and Cain.

Now as to the 'sons of God' being angels. He said In Hebrews one, unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou are my son?

Also Jesus said that in the resurrection, we would be as the angels, which NEITHER MARRY NOR OR GIVEN IN MARRAGE.

It seems clear from this statement that angels are SEXLESS beings.

I will teach more on this as I find some time. Right now, I must get up and do some personal things.

If you mean you would like to use the chat room, please tell us when you wish to do so. We here at Bottf, have never set up chats for none of our members ever have shown any desire to do so.

But if you wish, we will be there and chat with you.

Joie don't you ever know what you read,

The simple fact in Job it says as you know know there scame a day when the sons of God came to present themselve before God, well Satan wasn't there at that time he came later,as the rest of the verse proves, and Satan came also among them

It also seperated Satan from the sons of God.

Don't you ever stop to realize and take notice how things read.

The Sons of God was the decendance of Adam.

Adam was a Jew the same as the last man Adam, but Satan was a Gentiles, and if you know anything about the bible you would know that the Gentile before the days of Christ was not the Sons of God.

Forgive me Jo, I really do not understand what you mean. Maybe I need to pray on it I would like to chat with you all. I need to set it up so I will get back to you as to when I will be on.

In message one If you will notice,in every instant it alway seperated the soms of God, and satan

Satan was never associated with the brothers, he just showed up. You could say that Satan, crashed the party.

Tom, you do as Adam, Satan, speak things which are not written in the Word. This is false, satanic worship.

This is how Adam became Satan; changing God's word. He became rebellious toward God and wished to become god.

Anyone who doubts this or desires to know the truth of this matter, study the message I posted here today, Animal sacrifices. anything you do which is not given as NT worship, is of Adam, satan.

No Scripture anywhere says Satan was a gentile. Show me that verse. There was no such thing as Jews in Adams day. You are just making up stuff, which is Adamic or Satanic. You are worshipping Adam; man. No Scripture said what you said, that Satan came later. The Word said he came ALSO AMONG THEM.

Any man-made temple is of Satan or Adam. The law is of Adam, Satan. God was never in favor of law. God is a God of mercy. There is no mercy under law.

Adam is the one who set up the law, a woman must be silent. It is rebuked by Paul.

All holidays of of Satan, Adam. it is idol worship. You better examine your own souls and see where you really are. If you wait until death catches you, it will be too late to come into the kingdom of Christ and get out of the kingdom of Adam.

Tom, by saying that a Woman can not preach or she is to remain silent, you are going back to the law which is the curse.

You just as well go get you an animal sacifice and offer it up to God. Because you are under the curse.

Tom do you even know what the curse is?

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

To see that for a woman to keep silent and not to preach was under the law. Let me show you.

1Co 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. ( Can you not see here that Paul was saying to those men that the law said the same thing that they were saying? That they were going back to the curse? The same as you are doing ?

Tom by saying that a woman can not do nothing you are trying to put them back under curse that Jesus has set them free of. Not only them but also the man.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. The us meaning all mankind. Women and men.

Joie my love; Adam is not satan. Remember Paul pointing out that Adam and the Messiah are one and the same ? Furthermore satan is the disobedient son who was cast out of heaven; Adam was not that son; there is much evidence that Adam is not satan; I am on the road so I do not have time for the research; so I implore you to do your own research and not accept the church or it's doctrine but do your own research for truth.

Now when I get to Georgia I will have my appetite with me [smile] !

You were just on so hope you are still there. Don't know since you are on the road if you'll see this or not.

Now I have done my research for many, many years. And I do not know of one single church which teaches what I am teaching. They ALL teach what you said, so maybe you are in the reverse.

Maybe you need to come out of church and do some real research in the Only Book of truth, the KJV Scriptures.

I know of no place where Paul or anyone else ever showed that Adam and Jesus are the same one. It called Jesus the second Adam. He is not the first Adam which sinned. Jesus never sinned.

I am looking forward to your trip through my beloved Ga.

I am learning to make Kefir. Have you ever had this? It all depends on when you are here if it will be ready or not. I just received my first grains today and they will need about three days to recover from their journey from Ala. to Ga.

Have a great trip whereever you are going.

Tom, I promised you that if you said that ugly mess anymore, out you go. so.. even though you will not see this.......BY.

Thanks joie, I saw this earlier and started to ban Tom because we had warned him many times about his ugly mess that he was saying about you and I. I left it because I wanted you to see it and be the one that banned Tom.

Why we have let this evil speaking go on as long as we did is beyond me. That is no way for a so called Christian to talk.I guess he got such evil from his so call church of God.

Thank you Larry, for your support in this matter. Yes, we should have let Tom go long ago. But I try to bear with people in hopes that maybe the Word will reach them and bring them to repentance.

But the Word teaches that after the second and third admonition, reject them as heretics. We have admonished Tom hundreds of times. It did no good. He does not want any truth. He is filled with hatred for women. His entire type of church is.

He admitted once that he has never studied the word very much. Yet he claims to know what it says. If one never desires to study the Word, I say they are not a true Christian. As Christians, we must feed on the Word. This does not mean going to church and listening to some 'preacher'. They have not the word any more than he does.

It means we ourselves study and feed on the Word. Without a love for the Word, which is God, one cannot love God.

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