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| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 8/19/2008 12:12 AM |
Can ya'll give me a abbreviated version where you stand doctrinally, as far as a salvation plan, and what is your view of the Godhead? Thanks in advance.  | <NOBR> First </NOBR> <NOBR>Previous </NOBR> <NOBR>2-15 of 15 </NOBR> <NOBR>Next </NOBR> <NOBR>Last </NOBR> <NOBR> Delete Replies </NOBR> | | Reply
| | | We teach exactly what the KJV says. Salvation is brought about through obedience to the Written Word of God. We teach exactly what the true Apostles of Christ said. We teach and know that God is a many-membered kingdom just exactly as described in both 1Cor. 12 and Romans 12. We being MANY are ONE body. This one body is made up of MANY members. As is Christ, so is God, for Christ is the IMAGE of God. So if Christ is a many-membered kingdom, so is God's kingdom. God is a SPIRIT. God is not man, and man is not God. We are sons of God. Jesus was the son of God. Jesus never said I am god, never, ever. He always said I am the Son of God. Peter did not claim to believe that Jesus was God. He said you are the son of God, and Jesus verified that this is the true foundation. Not one single scripture says that Jesus was God in flesh, or God incarnated, or God robed in flesh, or anything of that nature. If you think differents, please quote me that verse. If Jesus were God, why did he never one time say so? Do you not believe he told us the truth? Not one single person is ever recorded in Scripture, to say I believe that you are God. They all said I believe you are the Son of God. Jesus said, God is a spirit. That spirit kingdom is made up of many members, just as the human kingdom is made up of many members. God is not 1 and he is not 3. God is a full kingdom of SPIRIT beings. They are ONE, meaning in a full unity of complete love and harmony. Jesus prayed in John 17 that we would ALL be one as they are one. Paul said Ye are ALL ONE. So how many is that? How many make up the ONE true church? How many make up the ONE TRUE BRIDE? We must believe the truth, believe the true God, then repent of our sins, meaning give them up. make up our minds to quit. then be water baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and be baptized with the Holy ghost into this ONE BODY OF CHIRST......with the evidence they showed in Acts. = speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. Then we must live a Holy and Godly life, never turning back to sins. This is EXACTLY what the KJV says. Jo | | |
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John 17 1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Now just take your time and read the above Scripture. v1--Jesus is speaking, praying to His Father in Heaven just before the crucifixion here. Jesus LIFTED UP HIS EYES and spoke to His Father. He lifted up his eyes to HEAVEN. He is clearly speaking to someone OTHER THAN HIMSELF! He asks this Father to glorify Him, Jesus, that Jesus may glorify His Father. Now how in this world can you sensibly make this be sensible with Jesus being the only one you think is in the Godhead? v2--He says to his Father, You gave Me power over all flesh, that I might give eternal life to all that YOU GAVE TO ME. Now who is Jesus speaking to here? Why did he say, You gave them to me, to? If he is the only one as you suppose, why would he say to himself, you gave them to me? Is this sensible? Why would you think Jesus would speak in such a foolish way? BUT, here is the proof: Read carefully verse 3--- Jesus is saying to God, His Father, " and this is life eternal, that they may know THEE (you) the ONLY TRUE GOD --------- AND---- Jesus Christ whom ----- You----- sent. Jesus clearly called God, his Father --- the only true God. Here. You can't make anything else out of this reading. Then v4-- Jesus said to God, "I have glorified YOU on earth. I have FINISHED the WORK--- YOU----- GAVE------- ME---- TO DO. HUH? Jesus gave himself some work to do? I think not! No. In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. I am one which bear witness of myself and the Father which sent me bears witness of me. There is your two witnesses of Jesus --- Jesus and his Father . | |
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| Thanks Freeborn, I do appreciate it. Although I trust Acts 2:38 as the true salvation plan, I am starting to wonder about the oneness doctine that is taught by the UPCI, ALJC, aand PAW. | Reply
| | | Feel free to check out our Discussion Board as well. I have no problem with what you are saying. Thanks again. | | Reply
| | | Thank you, Bro. Bryan. I am so glad to hear you say this. I pray God will open your understanding to his real truth. I once believed that Jesus-only doctrine, as much as anyone. But God spoke directly to me one day and told me it is not so. He said, there is a difference in the Father and the Son. He said, the Father is a greater more powerful being than the son. I knew it was God. From that moment on, God began to show me His truth, without the help of man. Now I am sure and have no more doubts. The truth Which God revealed in His Word, answers all question anyone can come up with. Neither of the other two doctrines can answer the real questions. and they refuse to see that this means something is wrong. The truth can answer all the questions. And it does. God bless you. I must go to work in a short while. Will see you tomorrow, if God is willing. JO | | p.s. Me: clearly something must have changed his mind. He could not become settled onto any truth. such a shame. but still hope he will come to it someday. |
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| Bro Bryan, Read this and think on what it is saying: | For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: |
This is telling us that the invisible things of God, are clearly seen, by understanding the things that are made. See the things God created shows his eternal power and GODHEAD. So the things which were made, visible, clearly reveal the true nature of the Godhead. so that all are without excuse. That is why I say, nothing in nature reveals a God of just 1 or 3 members. Everything in nature, in the animal kingdom, the plant kingdom, the insect world, the fish world, the flowers, the grasses, all show a God of many, many different members. Nothing in nature, or that which was made, bears out this 1 membered God, or that triune god. Show it to me, if you know of a kingdom in earth made up of just 1 member. I know of none. Each thing is so multiple that it cannot be known. God is infinite. This means beyond our comprehension. Look at the many stars. They show the true nature of the ONE GOD. Glory for this great TRUTH. Jo | Reply
| | | There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. | | So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: |
Do you believe that we will be raised in his likeness? who? just one of us? or the entire body of Christ? It takes us all to make up the ONE body of Christ, so if one star differeth from another star in GLORY = (glorification), and we will be raised in this image, don't you see then, that it shows that the God kingdom is made up of many stars, or members, all differing in glory from each other? Each member having a different job to do in this great body, or kingdom of God? Read 1Cor. 12 and Romans 12. It reveals this clearly. | | |
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| That is why I say, nothing in nature reveals a God of just 1 or 3 members. I concur, but I bet we both agree that there is only 1Spirit. | Reply
| | BTW, Great Stuff, I'm glad we met. | | Reply
| | | I believe that the word ONE means in complete unity and harmony, equality. The nature of God is being many members, united in one mind and one accord. Perfection. pure love. no jealousies no envies no war no trouble, what a \glorious world this is. The Holy Ghost? Or the seven spirits of God? how many received the Holy Ghost? | | p.s. wonder what changed his mind so drastically? He turned completely away from me and this truth. |
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| Thank you again, Brother Bryan. I am very glad we met also. It is a rare thing to find someone who does not war with me from the first word I say. The true children of God will recognize his true voice. So glad to have you with us. See you tomorrow. Jo | Reply
| | | I would also like to thank youfor joining us here on Build On The True Foundation, Brother Bryan. Good to see you posting. I am a very active member here but not at the present. I have a elder brother that is living with me and very disable at thepresent and he has been taking up most of my and my daughter's time. But with the help of the good Lord, he is going to be running around in a little while. I slip in and read the messages and post when I get a chance. May the Lord bless you and all our members here. Hope u like and understand the messages we have here, they are some very deep messages on this site that you will not see any where on the net. As has been stated by the fonder and manger, joie, we only teach the word of the KJV here. | | Reply
| | I pray that the Lord touches your Brother in Jesus name. Feel free to check us out at the Strait and Narrow Way. Freeborn joined today and has enlightened me with some good posting. The link for SNW is in your Links section at the bottom. Hope to see you there.  | | Reply
| | | Bro Bryan, just so you know, joie is the same as Freeborn. That is me. Larry, I hope all is well with you and your family. I truly hope to get over there very soon. Have both girls here today and tomorrow. so do not know when I am going to get to come and see you all. But keep you in my prayers and thoughts. | | |
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