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| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 7/10/2007 4:28 PM |
(P.S. I am bringing back to the front a thread which Spiritwalker started back in 2004. She brought up a message I had written in 2003. Then a powerful discussion ensured from this. She was attempting to discredit this site, as she did many other times, yet at the same time showing her need for our teachings. I want you all to read this entire thread, and watch carefully the words of each who responded. Watch the testimony from Larry and me. Read very carefully the powerful true message on ONENESS, which Duncan wrote. And notice the exact parallel here between what he says and the message I give about the ONENESS of the God kingdom. I do not know that he sees this, but see that if the body of Christ is to be ONE, meaning in agreement and of the same mind, then this is also what the ONENESS of God means. If we are to be in his likeness, then it means the same kind of kingdom = perfect harmony and agreement between MANY MEMBERS. So again this truth if verified.)
| From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 5/25/2003 10:11 PM | | 
~~ We are ALL ONE ~~ 1Cor. 1: 9. God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
10. Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13. Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14. I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15. Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Verse 9--God called us to the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Now did this say to the fellowship of himself? Why not? No, it said of his Son. It never at any time does away with this fact that Jesus is the Son of God. It does not declare that Jesus is God. V10--(very important)......I beseech you that ye all ---- (what? yes. ALL)--- speak the SAME THING. And that there be NO DIVISIONS among you....but be perfectly joined in the same mind and same judgment. Now, take a long, slow look at that ---- He wants us ALL to speak the same thing.... To have NO DIVISIONS... to be perfectly joined together in the same mind... WHY? Because we are Christ's Kingdom; and Christ's Kingdom is the IMAGE OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. So how can just 1 being be ALL PERFECTLY UNITED; JOINED.... SPEAKING THE SAME THING...HAVING THE SAME MIND.... BE PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER? V11---- there were contentions among them... so here they had DEPARTED from that image of God. They were bringing disgrace upon that perfect image of Christ, the image of God. V12- some say I am of Paul - others say I am of Apollo or Cephas or Christ.... Now what were they doing? Why is this so upsetting to Paul? Because they are doing the same thing the witch, the whore churches do.... Divide the kingdom of God. Yes, divide it. Say, there is Jesus only. No, there are 3. No, there is Mary, or the pope, or bro. So-and-so. Some say there is Santa clause. Etc. But the main thing is Satan has them DIVIDED. Now DIVIDED is opposite of UNITED. Matters not what false doctrine you come up with -- just depart from that truth, that God is a many-membered kingdom in perfect unity = perfectly JOINED TOGETHER. Now if God is not a kingdom, PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER, WHY DID PAUL SAY THIS IS HOW THE CHURCH IS SUPPOSED TO BE? V13--Is Christ divided? (Now answer that for yourself - does your doctrine divide Christ?) Do you contend that there is Jesus only? Or God is 3 people? You have divided Christ if you say either one of these. V19--...I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Now who is this? Those 'wise' folks who departed from the simplicity of the Written Word and went and walked in another way. They took up 'scholarly' doctors; they took up Strong's; they took up commentary after commentary, dictionary after dictionary of the WISE OF THIS WORLD, who denied the truth of God's Word. But God said I will destroy all that 'wisdom' and bring it to nothing. All of your understanding you get from all those man-made books will fail. Cpt. 2: 13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Now the great Apostle Paul said (and he was a very educated man)- but he said he used not men's wisdom to teach with. 1 Corinthians 3 1. And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4. For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5. Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6. I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
Here Paul said that if you say I am of one or another, thus dividing them, then you are CARNAL. V 5 & 6 shows that we have different jobs to do in the body, but we are just ministers by whom ye believed. He did the job of planting. Apollos watered, but it was God who gave the increase. That is all that matters. V7 shows that we are nothing who do these jobs, only God is. V8- now this is very important ----- He that planteth and he that watereth are ONE. GET THAT, THEY BOTH WERE --ONE. Now is he saying they merged and became 1 and the same man? Of course not. Then why are carnal minded people saying that Jesus and His Father being one means they merged and became the same person or being? See how carnal this reasoning is? Hope some of you can really learn from this. Christ is the image of God. We are not to be divided. We are ALL ONE EVEN AS THEY ARE ALL ONE. 
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| From: joie | Sent: 4/13/2004 10:42 PM | | Thank you Spiritwalker, for finding and bringing back up this wonderful message. Even though I wrote it, I forget these things. I sat and re-read the whole thing just now. It was food for my soul. I am copying this to paste to our forum. I will also look at the others, maybe not tonight as I am very tired. but I do thank you for your labour here. God will reward your work of love. Please feel free, to do this anytime. Anything I have written is free to any of you, so long as you do not change any of it. And I know you will not do that. It is God's Word, not mine. There are thousands of messages in here which most of you have probable never read. Even if you read them once, they need to be studied. Truth must be learned. We must study to shew ourselves approved to God. Love to you, Jo | |
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| Thanks both of you for your thoughts. There is one fold, in which are all the true sheep (Jn. 10). If we all respond to the voice of the same Shepherd, we will be gathered together unto Him (Ez. 34:5). The most serious problem in the Corinth ecclesia, Paul said, was that they were divided (1 Cor. 1:18 Gk; and notice how he begins his letter by addressing this problem, not the incest, the drunkenness at the breaking of bread, the false doctrine...). We are all grafted into the same olive tree (Rom. 11). There is one vine, and we are the branches (Jn. 15). It's not that Christ is the trunk and we are the branches. We are the branches, we make up the vine, we make up the Lord Jesus. He spoke of "we..." to mean 'I...' in Jn. 3:11, such was the unity He felt between Himself and His men. He asked Saul "Why persecutest thou me?" (Acts 9:4), again identifying Himself with His people. The term "Christ" is even used of the believers, such is His unity with us (1 Cor. 12:12). Christ is not divided, and therefore, Paul reasons, divisions amongst brethren are a nonsense. Christ is not divided, and therefore neither should we be (1 Cor. 1:13; 3:3). Let's remember this powerful logic, in all our thinking about this issue. Paul even goes so far as to suggest that if we do not discern the body at the breaking of bread, if we wilfully exclude certain members of the body, then we eat and drink condemnation to ourselves. This is how serious division is. The devil’s house is divided (Mt. 12:25,26); Christ is not divided (1 Cor. 1:13 s.w.). We were called to the Gospel so that we might share in the fellowship of the Lord Jesus Christ- i.e. fellowship with Him and His Father, and with all the others within His body (1 Cor. 1:9,10). If we accept that brethren and sisters are validly baptized into and remain within His body, then we simply must fellowship with them. Should we refuse to do this, we are working against the essential purpose of God- to build up the body of His Son now, so that we might exist in that state eternally. Causing division within the body is therefore a sin which may exclude us from the Kingdom (1 Cor. 11:19 alludes Mt. 18:7). To refuse to fellowship a brother is to effectively say that he is not within the Lord's body; for when we break bread, we show that we are one bread and one body (1 Cor. 10:16,17). And as we condemn, so we will be (Mt. 7:1). The purpose of the cross was to gather together in one all God's children (Jn. 11:52), that the love of the Father and Son might be realized between us (Jn. 17:26). If we support division, we are denying the essential aim of the Lord's sacrifice.
The Lord Jesus spoke of how “I am come to send fire on earth [after the pattern of Elisha against apostate Israel]...I am come to give...division�?(Lk. 12:49,51). He parallels the fire of condemnation with division. And yet He says that this figurative fire is “already kindled�? If we are divided willingly, of our creation, then we stand self-condemned. This is how serious this matter is. I fear, really fear, that in the day of final account it may be that a brother or sister has lived separately from the world, believed all the right things, and yet his or her divisiveness means that they are condemned together with the immoral and the worldly. A divided house is the characteristic of Satan’s house or kingdom, and it will fall- just as the house built on sand fell at the day of judgment (Lk. 11:17,18). This doesn’t mean, though, that just because our community is divided therefore the true Christians are ‘satan’s kingdom�? Those who leave us in despair at our divisiveness never find an undivided church, until they fellowship only with themselves. The Lord taught that an inevitable by-product of His Gospel was that He would send division, often within families (Lk. 12:51-53). To be unwillingly caught up in a divided house / family is not, therefore, a sin or a sign of our personal condemnation. There must be schisms amongst us, that they might make manifest who the faithful are, by their attitude to them.
| p.s. I, Jo, spread out his message to make it easier to read. this is a great message.) |
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| Duncan, I am so sorry that this has set here for 6 days with no response. Maybe everyone agrees with you. I read it all. I pondered it all. I agree with your words that are scriptural. I do believe the secret key is not a secret at all. The One who died on the cross and was resurrected from the dead, One with His Father, wishes we could be One (Gospel of John when He prayed for us). I remember His commandment...."love one another". The second part of the secret that is not a secret. Love one another in all things...just as we have been loved...the key to life...we dearly love Him and each other for I know He is grieved when I sin, but He forgives when I ask....Love...How much do we love, how much did we love...can we ever come close to His Love for us? I hope we will try. One. Love. One. "Spiritwalker" |
Jo. P.s. Watch here the subtle sneer of Spiritwalker as she attempts to discredit our site. She became very set against us, and I never knew why. We had always been very nice to her. I hope someday she comes back in here and sees some of this. Larry and I both had loved her and always said good things to and about her. Yet she turned to be our enemy. Notice how she drew attention to Duncan's message not being answered in six days. Yet many of my great messages were never once answered, and she never raised a word about that! See, she was just trying to attack us and cause others to look down on us. She accused me once of not wishing to discuss the Son, speaking of a thread Pillar had going, which had not one thing to do with the Son. I pointed out to her the many messages I had written on the son, which she had never once joined in on. She had not even read them, much less responded to them. So it was just something to critize me over. And I guess that is why she finally departed, out into the darkness of NO FOOD. Wonder if she ever found what she was 'looking' for? |
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| From: joie | Sent: 4/22/2004 11:50 PM | | Duncan, that is a very good message and good admonition for us all. I have not answered it for I have not been on my computer much lately. ***Too much else to take care of. I have spent several hours here today trying to get a little caught up (still not gotten to all of it). Spiritwalker I see what you are saying also. But I think one of the main problems is this: Many people have a mistaken notion of what godly love really is. Most people think it is just going along with everything someone else says; sort of 'agreeing' with everyone.******** But this is not real love. I consider this a sort of selfish, subtil way of getting others to 'look' up to yourself.&&&&&&&&& Real love is corrective. Spiritually this is true, just as with natural parents. The ones who love their children will correct them and if necessary, punish them to bring them to what is good. Spiritually, how can we say we love and knowingly let someone go on in false ways and beliefs which we know will lead them into hell? JO ####### | |
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Thanks for the balancer Jo. The evil of division I refer to is that within the body of true believers. Like you, I certainly don't consider all who merely call themselves Christian to be 'true believers'. And further, I understand that we join the body of Christ by being properly baptized into it. Thanks for the reminder about corrective love. Some time I may, God willing, post an analysis of "Judge not", as this verse seems to me to have been most misunderstood.
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 4/23/2004 11:09 AM | Spiritwalker I see what you are saying also. But I think one of the main problems is this: Many people have a mistaken notion of what godly love really is. Most people think it is just going along with everything someone else says; sort of 'agreeing' with everyone.******** But this is not real love. I consider this a sort of selfish, subtil way of getting others to 'look' up to yourself.&&&&&&&&& Real love is corrective. Spiritually this is true, just as with natural parents. The ones who love their children will correct them and if necessary, punish them to bring them to what is good.
Joie this is so right and a very good answer. If the people only knew what you are saying. You know yourself that we have been on the buddy thing and God would reveal something to me and I would set here and cry because I knew that I had to obey God and what he had given me to say. I would ask you if I should put it on the board, trying to find an excuse for not doing it. The same with you. You have done the same thing. We did it because we love every one and this is a hard ministry that God has put us in. We have ask each other many times if what we were doing, was it to hard and asked each other many times to judge the message and see if the other thought it was alright. We do this out of love people for you and we do it because the Lord has placed us in this ministry and as I said it is not an easy ministry. WE LOVE YOU ALL. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 4/23/2004 11:10 PM | | Duncan, Thank you for your great insight and participation here. We greatly need you, for you see truth. And yes, 'do not judge' is certainly most misunderstood! Isaiah, I do thank you so much for bringing this out to this group. They have no idea how many times each of us have asked the other to quickly read what we wrote and judge it and DELETE it IF we esteemed it too harsh, unkind, or out of Godly teaching. Never once has either of us felt the other wrote something they should not have! Never once has either of us deleted what the other one said! We have ALWAYS been in complete and total agreement with the other one. Only God could bring this out in us. Several times you were so hurt and crying because of prophecy and words God gave you to write and you did not want to do so; a few times you said to me that you were not going to do it....and I, under the anointing and urgency and authority of the Holy Ghost actually COMMANDED you to post what God gave you! (Remember that?) Then you did-- and we saw great results from this. Of course this group has never known any of this. We just kept it to ourselves. We have, together, actually cast out some evil spirits here, out of members, and that member never even knew it. So help me, before God and Jesus Christ** I speak only truth. We have prayed for the sick right here, both on this group and the forum and they were healed! God has worked mightly through us here and the members never even knew it! Only God Himself knows what all has gone on here and been acomplished for His Kingdom and the good of His sheep! Some of our past memebers --who really seemed to hate us, have witnessed that whenever they had great need of prayer, they were drawn to this group! What a testimony for truth! Then the same person turn around and fight us over our teaching of faith healing!!!!! Such blindness. Isaiah, I miss those times! We have not been on the buddy thing together much lately and had God work with us that Way. May we get back there soon!!!! Love to you, Jo | |
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When the pastor is lifted up above other members of the same church, or any others anywhere, who are members of the One True Church, the Body of Christ, then it is wrong. He is no more than any other member there. that is what true oneness IS. We are all ONE. means equals. No more, in grace, does one rule over the others. put not your confidence in man, or pastors, but put it in God. Let God be your leader. Let the Spirit rule over you. Let the Holy Ghost tell you what to do and not do. go by written Scripture. This is your only safety. No one is bound to go anywhere or be at a certain place at a certain time. god said he always hated this! He hates your APPOINTED FEASTS. He hates your palaces = church buildings. by the law, men rule over others. but by the law shall no flesh be justified. God made Eve to be Adam's HELPMEET. bUT men have distorted what this really means. She was his protector and in a sense, his leader. But Adam hated this, and wanted to be god and to rule over her. So he seduced her into disobeying God, cutting of her hair, thus loosing her power, and then partaking of law. thus God had to tell Eve that now Adam would rule over her. (and yes, I have scripture for all of this.) not because it was God's will or desire, but because she brought it upon herself by going to law, thus falling from the Grace they had to start with, where she was on equal grounds with him. But since Jesus came and set us all FREE, men still had the evil desire to rule over others, and especially their wives, so they have again deceived her into submitting to something God never intended or desired. All who stay with or in Grace, are on equal grounds and see the entire body of Christ as one, AND EACH MEMBER just as important as any other member. The church of today is not of God. nothing of their system is of God. they are a theater. God told me to teach this and to call them that, for that is what they are. They are set up theater style, copying the world. They set their main man up on the stage, on his 'throne' chair, where he is looked upon and admired and obeyed, thus fulfilling his desire for WORSHIP. The people sit back to back, facing the stage and watching the 'show'. Now that is the truth. It is of Satan. women are being cheated of their rightful place in God by this deception. but most of them want it this way, for they do not wish to have to study the word, and pray, and seek God and work for God and teach and do the work of the ministry. so they allow their husbands and pastors to bind them hand and foot and set them back under that bondage which Jesus delivered us all from. If you think you have to report to one certain man, you are not in grace. You need to seek for the truth and to be set free. When any pastor sees it this way, and sets them all on equal grounds, then I will say, yes, that is a true man of God. but until then, where is one? If they accept pay for this work, they have the mark of the beast. what are you really honouring? and obeying? |
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This is a little something I wrote on another site, where the trinitys and the jesus-onlies are trying to outdo the truth.) ********* I though you people understood what being ONE means? (None of you yet answered how WE ARE ALL ONE. yET YOU CONTINUE one in your infintile beliefs about this matter.) but I see that none of you do. Nothing in nature shows a god who is all alone....just 1 of anything. show me that in nature if you can. the Godhead is understood being clearly, get that now, CLEARLY understood by the things that are made. so what did God make, visible, which clearly shows a God who is all alone....only 1 of his kind? it does not exist. He is a kingdom of innumerable MEMBERS. that is what God is. and they are all ONE. Jesus is now one with them. this is what Scripture does say. and why did Jesus say I am NOT ALONE? you have no answers for all of his words. We are all one human kingdom. are you any more human than I am? If i say I am human, does that mean you are not? this is your own kind of reasoning about the kingdom of GOD. Each member is God and it is all the same GOD, as we are all the same HUMAN. we each have our own personality and being, yet we are all ONE HUMAN KINGDOM. and that is the IMAGE OF GOD. So mock on. You have totally missed God and his truth, for you do not want to learn truth. If you had truth, you could answer my question. But not one of you can answer any of my questions. If you had truth, it would give you the answers. The lepers came back to give glory to God. They all knew that Jesus was not God. Not one single Scripture states that anyone ever said to Jesus, I believe that you are God. It is not there. the Jews falsy accused him of saying that. but they knew nothing. they knew god was WITH him. And they knew it was by the power of God that he did his miracles. So they were worshipping god. Peter declared that God was WITH him. You must not ever read what Peter said. | How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. |
Now some of you all, explain the above verse..if you can...how did God anoint Jesus with the Holy Ghost and with power? why would he need this IF HE WERE GOD? but it said he went about doing good and healing, FOR GOD WAS WITH HIM. Now peter did not say for he was God. You cannot make anything else out of this. If he were God, why didn't Peter say that? you think perhaps Peter did not know how to speak? Or maybe you agree that the KJV is wrong? what is it? ?god was WITH Jesus. God anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost. Now I am telling you, neither the trinity, nor the Jesus-only can explain this and be right. If the Holy ghost is another person as trinity say, How did God anoint Jesus with another person? It is foolish as all get out. and If it was Jesus himself, and the Father is Jesus himself, how did this Jesus anoint jesue with another jesus? your doctrines are just foolish junk. Jesus allowed their worship because they had said they came back to give glory to God. they knew it was god WITH Jesus who did this work. No, it is not 'another' god to worship Jesus, because he is ONE WITH GOD. He is now on the throne of God in heaven, BECAUSE His God set him there because of his full obedience to God. God gave his son full power over God's kingdom, or creation. he knew He could fully trust this son. This son did not fail as the first son, Adam, did. You will never get any true revelation until you come to see the real truth about Jesus. and it must be written to be true. You can make up interpretations all you wish, bot those interpretations are not written in the Word. Many of you bring up verse after verse, and then lay out your own interpretation, WITHOUT ONE WORD OF SCRIPTURE SAYING WHAT YOU SAID IT SAYS. you mockery will never change the truth. Jesus was not God. He was made to be our god, just as God made Moses to be a god to those Israelites. Guess you did not know that? several years ago, on another site, I told this to a man. He disputed it at first. Then when I posted the Scripture, he said, I was unaware of this Scripture. At least he was honest enough to recognize it. God made moses a god to Pharoah. he made Aaron to be the prophet of MOSES. This the other witness that God made a man to be god. Just as he made another virgin born son in the OT to bear witness. You do not know God as you think you do. God shows all things in at least two witnesses. He made Jesus to be our god and told us to worship his son. So it is not 'ANOTHER' God. It is the same God. You are too infintile to understand such complicated stuff. You are on a level of two year olds in spiritual understanding, if that much. Jesus never worshipped himself. I can tell you that. He quoted Scripture to Satan, saying thou shalt worship the Lord God and him only. He was not telling Satan I am that god so worship me. That is a lie of hell. Jesus did not pray to himself. He did not call himself My god, to himself. So who was HIS GOD? ANSWER THE QUESTION. you all know it will reveal that both trinity and jesus-only are FALSE DOCTRINEs. |
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