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From: MSN NicknameIsaiah·  (Original Message)Sent: 6/17/2003 9:21 PM

Now my question is when was this day?



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 Message 4 of 18 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/19/2003 2:10 AM
Hello Lolady,
 
Now I mean no rebuke to you or anyone else when I teach as I do.  But I MUST. 
When one says this or any Scripture can mean a certain thing and nothings else, and espcially when that theory is based solely on made up stuff which is NOT taught anywhere in Written Word, then you must assume that you are missing what is being said.
 
No that is NOT what is meant.  It cannot be, for it crosses all other Scripture.  There is not even ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE,  I MEAN NOT EVEN ONE VERSE In all the Word which says anything about Jesus or God being INCARNATE.  That is a Satan inspiried term.  It is totally foreign to God's Word.
 
Now if you have a concordance look that word up.  If not, there are concordances online which you may use.  See for yourself that this word is NOT WRITTEN ANYWHERE IN GOD'S WORD.
 
So it cannot be true!  You are accepting some man's word over God's Word to say this.
 
No, nowhere did Jesus ever claim to be God.  Neither did any apostle claim that Jesus was God.  Do you all realize that Jesus was a MORTAL MAN?  I have asked this so many times.  Somebody had better start listening and get some truth.  God grows weary himself with dealing with people who flat refuse to accept his clear Word.
 
Realize that iF you believe or teach anything which is not what God said, then you are calling God a lie!
 
God never said Jesus was God;  he always said Jesus was his SON.
 
The FATHER is a KINGDOM OF SPIRITS.   THE SON IS A KINGDOM OF HUMANS.
 
Jesus belongs to us, the human kingdom.  To deny this is  ANTI-CHRIST.
To deny that Jesus came in the flesh is ANTI-CHRIST.
 
If he came in the flesh, then he was human, of the Son kingdom.
 
This means he was a mortal man.  It is reprobate to call God a mortal man. Romans 1.
 
So all true revelation must fit these true teachings.  You cannot find and quote one single verse which said Jesus was God.  I want someone to show me that.  God set Jesus to be our personal God after he ascended to Heaven,  but He is still a man in Heaven.
 
There is ONE God AND one mediator  BETWEEN  God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus.
 
No Abraham saw prophecy for the Day when Jesus would live on earth, also when he would be resurrected.  That is what is means Abraham  SAW my day - it means he UNDERSTOOD IT.  TO have the understanding opened means to see. 
 
The Jews may have said Jesus was saying he was God,  but they were wrong. They lied as they always did.  They had no truth. they were in darkness and they stayed in darkness.  Why you think they crucified Jesus?  You think they did this with their 'eyes' open?  Of course not.
 
I am is God.  Not Jesus.  Jesue was telling them  before Abraham was  God was.  That is what he said.  He did not say he was I am  nor did he say he was God.
 
He aksed the rich young ruler who called him good,  why do you call me good,  only one is good and that is God.  So see he was saying to this man,  I am not God.
 
If you say Jesus was God, then you must say,  THAT  SINFUL MAN  KILLED  GOD.  Do you realize that God cannot die?  If he could, then he would not be God?
 
My, My.  How could people stay this blind so long?  You are believing the Catholic lies over the truth of God's Word.  JESUS  WAS NOT GOD. he was a mortal man.
 
There is no truth is that teaching to set anyone free.  Besides all this,  The Word, and The Father was speaking inside Jesus.
 
Ex. 1: 13.  And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

 14.  And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

 15.  And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
 
Now read that.  Regardless of what people say,  this Scripture is only saying that I Am is a name.  A name of God.
 
So Jesus was telling them that God, the one named I Am was before Abraham.  Jesus said I say only what my Father tells me to say - so he was saying what I teach came from God, it is truth.  Before Abraham lived, this God knew all things.  And He tells me what to say.
 
Now I want someone to find a verse where Jesus claimed to do or say anything of his own account.  Go to it , all of you;  for all of you claim Jesus was God.  If so then why did he say I can of mine OWN SELF  DO NOTHING?
 
GIVE ME SCRIPTURE FOR THIS,  WHERE DID JESUS SAY I AM GOD, OR I CAN DO THINGS ON MY OWN?

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 Message 5 of 18 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/19/2003 2:32 AM
John 8: 24.  I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
 25.  Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

 26.  I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

 27.  They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

 28.  Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
 29.  And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
 
Now read that.  v24,  Jesus said if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Now people took that and said Jesus was saying if you don't believe that I am God,      ---- but was he saying that?
Nope. 
v28--He told them here he was the Son of Man.  When ye have lifted up the Son of man,  then shall YE KNOW  THAT  I AM HE. 
I AM HE. ----- WHO?  THE SON OF MAN.  is not that what he said?
 
See he said  I AM HE ------ THE SON OF MAN.  HE DID NOT SAY  I AM GOD.  HE SAID  I AM SON OF MAN.  I AM.  I AM.  BUT WHO?  I AM THE SON OF MAN.
 
No go find a verse, even one where Jesus said  I AM GOD.  Where is it People?  where is that verse?
 
Not in God's word.

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 Message 6 of 18 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/19/2003 2:46 AM
Jesus was not saying I am ,  as in I am going to town.  No.  He was saying before Abraham was, the one named I Am was.
 
Jesus was never named I Am.
 
It is not meaning what we mean when we say  I am.....  it is not English.  It is God's Language.  Until you learn this, you will forever read lies into God's Word - trying to interpret it from English.
 
John 8: 38.  I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
 39.  They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

 40.  But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 
 (why did Jesus have to hear this from God?  He was supposed to BE GOD according to all of you)?

 41.  Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
 42.  Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
 43.  Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

 44.  Ye are of your father the devil,
 
Now analyze this:
Jesus was speaking what he saw with his Father.  He said those Jews were speaking what they saw with their father.  but who did he say that father was?
v44- the devil.
 
So how did they speak truth?
He said I do what I see with my Father. and you do what you see with your father, the devil.  So how were those Jews with the devil? 
 
If you think Jesus had to be before time with his Father, then you must assume that those Jews were also before time with their father, the devil.  How are they speaking from the devil?  did u never consider this? 
 
But now read v40---So you think those Jews thought Jesus was God, do you?  Well I say NO!
 
Jesus said they were seeking to KILL JESUS.  Now I can assure you all of one thing,  those Jews might not have been of God, but they certainly did not entertain for one instance that they could or would KILL GOD.
 
Do you really think that those Jews thought Jesus was God and they were trying to KILL GOD?
 
Whew!!!  None of you could really think this!  Surely not.  Those people never for one instance thought Jesus was God and neither did Jesus' disciples.  Never.  They all knew he was NOT  GOD.
 
But the disciples accepted Jesus as their God after He was resurrected.  For this was the plan of God.

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 Message 7 of 18 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameIsaiah·Sent: 6/19/2003 3:38 AM
The question was- Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. When was this? 
 
First of all we must realize that this is spiritual and not natural.
To see Means to know, get knowledge of, understand, perceive.
It is not  meaning to see  with your natural eyes  as sometimes we think.
 
To see my day is saying that he came to the light.  Day means light.  It is just like when Jesus opened the apostles understanding,  he opened their eyes.  In other words they saw just as Abraham did.
 
Gen 22:2   And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
 
John 3
16   For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Gen. 22:3
And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
22:4 -
Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. ( Now  how many knows what happened on the third day?)
 
Mr 9:31
For he taught his disciples, and said unto them *, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

So this is the day  that Abraham saw afar off.   The heavenly world, the New Testament  where Jesus was crucified and rose on  the third day.

22:5

 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you. ( Now what did Jesus say?) 

 

John 14
3   And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.the notion whom

22:6   And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together. ( Now once again let's  compare it to Jesus)

Isaiah 53:4  Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

22:7   And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8   And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. (See this was a prophecy of the day of Jesus)

This day was the scripture fulfilled-

Joh 1:36
And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

We also know that this was a type and shadow of things to come-
Abraham as God, Isaac as Jesus.
So this was the day that Abraham saw.


 


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 Message 8 of 18 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/19/2003 4:16 AM
Isaiah,  That is such a wonderful message.  So full of spiritual food.  It fed my soul.
 
Yes, that is how Abraham 'saw' Jesus' day,  He saw from that experience and revelation the day Jesus would die for all of us and rise again the third day.
 
Also here he showed that Jesus was God's Lamb.  How do people get that a lamb was God?  that Lamb died on the cross  ------ so  to say he was God is to say God DIED ON A CROSS.
 
UHH   people, wake up.  God DID NOT EVER DIE.  IT IS BLASPHEMOUS TO SAY SUCH A THING.
 
Jesus was a human man;  not God.  YOu think I am terrible to say this; but right the opposite is true.  For I am staying true to the Word of God.
 
God said if you believe not that Jesus was God's Son, You call God a lie, for you believe not the record that God gave of his SON,  NOT OF HIMSELF.
 
People think those Jews thought Jesus was God.  But look what they  REALLY thought:
 
John 8: 48-- Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou are a Samaritan, and  HAST A DEVIL.
 
Now that dear readers is what those Jews Really thought of Jesus.   Never one time did they confess that Jesus was God.  They  ACCUSED JESUS OF SAYING THIS.
 
Why? For they knew this was killing grounds!  They bore FALSE WITNESS OF HIM.  They lied about him.

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 Message 9 of 18 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/19/2003 4:22 AM
Jesus said Satan deceiveth the  WHOLE WORLD.  Now I ask you,  how then is this whole church world right?  Every church teaches that Jesus was God.
 
So if Satan deceived them all, how is it that they all know the truth?
 
I submit to you all, that they are ALL DECEIVED;  YES THEY ARE ALL WRONG.  Where are the  FEW  who find the truth? 
 
Those Jews did the very same thing all of the people to day are doing - accussing Jesus of claiming to be God.
 
Yes it is false witness against Jesus.  He did NO SUCH THING.  It is the original sin.  Jesus did not commit that original sin of setting himself up as God.  He was a man.
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameIsaiah·Sent: 6/19/2003 3:23 PM
Gen 22:6   And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.( This is a type and shadwow of Jesus bearing the cross and a type of our sins that was put on him.
John 19:17
And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
1Pe 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

But if you will notice the sacifice was not offered at that time. Issac was just a shadwo of the great saccifice that was to be offered. The sacifice was not offered until Jesus came along. The only perfect sacifice.

Gen 22:10   And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11   And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.


12   And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
13   And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.


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From: MSN NicknameIsaiah·Sent: 6/19/2003 8:03 PM
Gen 22:8   And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.( also see that Issac was willing to go as Jesus was, because it said they went both of them together. If  Issac had not been willing he could have refused, but he went willingly. So they both received this on faith.
 
See the prophecy was that God would provide the sacifice. He was to provide a lamb not a ram. Also God was not the sacifice himself as some say. His Son Jesus Christ was. He said he would provide a lamb not provide himself as a lamb. I hope you see the difference here.
 
Ro 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
 
Ro 9:7
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Ga 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 
Heb 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

 

   
 
 

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 Message 12 of 18 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/19/2003 9:44 PM
Romans 12
 1.  I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
 2.  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
We ourselves, being the Son we will bring forth to God, must present ourselves unto God as a LIVING SACRIFICE.  This is typed here as with Issac and Jesus.
 
The Christ was the only begotten Son of Jesus.  Jesus presented his life a living sacrifice and then as a dying sacrifice in all of our place.
 
He is the only one who has to offer himself as that dying sacrifice. Through his death and resurrection we only have to be a living sacrifice, keep ourselves clean and unspotted from the world.
 
Thus Abraham and Issac were the perfect types of our own Holy Life and obedience we must live in order to bring forth to God a Son of God at our resurrection.
 
This is a beautiful study, Brother Isaiah.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameLolady·Sent: 6/20/2003 1:17 AM
Hello Joi & Isaiah. 
 
In v.59, when the jews took up stones to cast at Him, it was becasue they also understood that Jesus was saying  He was God.
 

No you have mis-read the sentence!...As you can see (above) what I said is......'the Jews even understood that Jesus was saying that He was God and thats why they wanted to stone Him. To them He was blaspheming God, by making Himself equal with God. That is what angered them to the point of asking for His death from Pilate.


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 Message 14 of 18 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/20/2003 1:58 AM
Lolady,  I know that is what it says.  But I also know that most people use this verse, which is only telling how the Jews were falsely accusing, to say that Jesus did indeed claim to be God and equal with God.
 
But Jesus was not saying that, either then or now.  People use this verse and say that Jesus did claim to be God.  But Jesus did no such thing!  It was just a lie then, as it is now with the entire church world claiming this same lie.
 
Every church claims that Jesus was God and co-equal with God.  But it is just not true.  If so, then Jesus lied when he said My Father is GREATER than I.
 
How could he be greater than Jesus if they were equals?  How could a mortal man be equal to the Eternal immortal God?
 
People today are making this same false accusation against Jesus and backlash anyone like myself who sees that it is not true and is not afraid to stand on the truth of God's Word.
 
God showed me this;  not some man or any church.  For truth of the matter is I don't know of anyone else who teaches it as God showed me.  I believe God, and I will never change from what He told me; for it agrees completely with the Written Word from the first to the end.
 
No other doctrine can say this.  I have already brought out many, many places where both doctrines cross the Word and asked all who believe either the trinity lie or the Jesus only lie to give one Verse which states what they say.  KNow what?  So far no one has been able to do so, and they never will.
 
Jo

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 Message 15 of 18 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/20/2003 2:05 AM
Almost everyone reads and interprets Psalms as if it is speaking primairly about King David.  Now that is a shame and false as can be.
 
To believe this is to cheat yourself of all the joy and glory which is revealed in Psalms about Jesus.  Truth and secrets are revealed in the Prophets and Psalms about Jesus which are not even revealed in the N.T.
 
So to think it is about David is to totally miss all the glory and understanding you receive about Jesus in these books.
 
Without know this, it is impossible to ever really know the truth.  But know why the church people cannot see that it is about Jesus?  Because if they read it right, that it is Jesus, then all the false teachings concerning Jesus and God would immediately disappear.  You cannot read Psalsm and see that it is in truth Jesus, and cling to either the lie of trinity or Jesus only.  Now that is why people would rather claim it is all about David.  Jesus is even called David in lots of Scripture.  He is also called many other human names.  This is also a secret most people miss in the Word.
Truth of the matter is,  I don't think very many people, including preachers ever study the Word.  So they will miss salvation.
 
Jo

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 Message 16 of 18 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLolady·Sent: 6/21/2003 1:03 AM
Hi Joi,
 
No rebuke taken.
 
I never thought about the word incarnate having to be in the bible when I used it for explanation.  It is just merely a word which holds the explanation, instead of using several words for the same explanation.
 
Webster's Dictionary
Incarnate: 1.Having a bodily form and nature 2.Embodied, Personified.
 
I realize we differ in several issues, but I think we agree on more than less. I the Lord showed me where I had to change a belief, in a heartbeat I would,and I would hope you'd say the same.
I am not apposed to knowing God's truth, only the carnally derieved teachings, and beliefs that so many denominations and cults are built on. I trust in God with all my heart, and I believe He has not stopped teaching thru His Holy Spirit.
 
By the wasy....I finished a long email to you and someway I mistakenly hit a key and it quickly disappeared, and I tried every which way to retrieve it, but not such thing. 
Had a long day with doctors appts, yesterday and my body is suffering at the moment.  I will have to resort to taking more painkillers for now.  Look forward to words of encouragement.
 
LL

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 Message 17 of 18 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 6/21/2003 2:52 AM
Hello Lolady, 
 
I am so sorry for your losing the letter.  I surely was looking forward to hearing from you again.  I still cannot see the poem you sent.  It just will not show up.
 
And I am so sorry for your suffering.  I do pray God will heal you.  I also know that Fevefew with White Willow Bark used together are better alternatives for pain relief, not doing the harm to the body that the drugs do.
 
Now about incarnation:
 
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in•car•na•tion \'in-'kär-"nÀ-sh�?/FONT>n\ n 1 : the embodiment of a deity or spirit in an earthly form 2 cap : the union of divine and human natures in Jesus Christ 3 : a person showing a trait or typical character to a marked degree 4 : the act of incarnating : the state of being incarnate

That is copied from my Websters.

Now do you see from this meaning that this teaching is saying that a deity or spirit took upon itself human nature?  Do you see that it claime that Jesus was a union of divine and human natures?  What this litterally means is that Some part of Jesus, the spirit part was first a divine or god person and then that god person left that existance and came to earth and got into Mary's womb and grew there, finally being born as any other human baby.  Only this baby now has inside him the nature of God.

In other words it calls this Scripture a flat lie:

Heb. 2 : 7.  Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Here we are told that Jesus was made lower than the angels.  Now angels are lower than God.  So he was not made with God inside him as part of his own being.


 8.  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


 9.  But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Once again declaring Jesus to be made lower than the angels, for the suffering of death.  Now if any part of Jesus HAD been God, he could not have died.  If you say he could then you make the same mistake the Catholics made by saying that God became a mortal man. Romans 1 declares this to be of a reprobate mind, to Call the eternal God a mortal man.

If you say Jesus was not a mortal man, then you deny that he came in the flesh.


 10.  For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
 11.  For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


 12.  Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
 13.  And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.


 14.  Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


 15.  And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.


 16.  For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.


 17.  Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Now this declares that Jesus took on him the seed of Abraham, a mortal man.  It declares that Jesus was MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN.

It also says Jesus was tempted in all points like we are.  This proves he could not have been God. 

If Jesus were made like unto us, his brethren, then he could NOT HAVE HAD THE GOD NATURE AS PART OF HIMSELF.

Do we have in incarnate spirit?  Nope.  Then Jesus could not have had either.  Else he was not made like unto us.

Know what?  Not one of you believing this lie got it from reading the Word of God.  Know how I know this?  Because it is not in the Word of God, for it is a LIE.

Know where you got it?  From the hand-me-down lies from the mamma whore church, the catholics popes.  Now all the little churches followering suit are her daughters. God declares all of these will wind up in the lake of fire.

This is serious business.  It is a matter of eternal life or death.

If you call God a lie, you are domned to hell.  God never at any time stated that he or any part of him left Heaven and came into Mary's womb and then was this:

I have actually heard preachers, and some very prominant ones at that, stating that Jehovah was here in diapers;  Jehovah without any teeth.  Yes ,dear friend that is where this lie has taken people into their carnal minds.

Now if you think Jesus was an incarnate spirit, please give me at least one verse saying this.  But you know there has to be at least two.

Now somebody give me those two verses which would establish this to be true.  And if you can, please tell me why God lied.  For I quoted above here where he said Jesus was made like unto us humans. 

Are humans dual natured folks?  With a spirit of God as our innermost being?  If not then Jesus could not have been either.

It is just that the entire church world has swallowed down that catholic lie that Jesus was God incarnate.  This is that false jesus Paul said they would bring up.  And that is exactly why they claim he was born on Dec. 25.  For this was the date Tamuz, another 'incarnate' god, born of a woman, was supposed to have been born on.

Know where that lie came from.  Go study some myths of heathen idol gods and you will quickly find that they all have this lie ---- that a woman birthed god.  this god was incarnate;  both man and god.

It is of the devil!!!!!!!

No apologies to anyone.  I teach truth which I  READ  OUT  OF  GOD'S WORD AND QUOTE HERE FOR YOU ALL TO READ.

Take the time to read the Psalms messages I have posted here.  They all prove what I am saying.  And the Book is full of proof.

Incarnate is of the devil.  It originated from the devil and it will wind up in hell.  God has no Mother.  I tell you truth.  God never left heaven and was born of a woman.  Only in mythology does this stuff happen.

May God help you all to open your eyes and deny this whore teaching and accept the ingrafted Word which is able to save your souls.

THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.

 

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From: joieSent: 6/21/2003 3:17 AM
 
Isa. 53: 3.  He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
 
1Tim. 2: 5.  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 
Numbers 23: 19.  God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
 
Now I sit here hour after hour trying to find and show you all the truth of God's Word.  When will you accept the Word for what IT says and not what some false church tells you it says?  You had better, if you seriously desire to have salvation and eternal life.
 
Now, Isa. 53: 3  said that Jesus was a MAN OF SORROWS.
1Tim 2: 5 said Jesus is a man who mediates between God and me.  (that is right now, too.)
 
But look at Numbers 23; 19,  this says that God is NOT A MAN, NEITHER THE SON OF MAN.
 
Now is Jesus the Son of Man?  HUH?  God is not the Son of Man.  God is not a man.  God is not half man and half God either.  This is the height of blasphemy!
 
Are you going to deny this Word?  If you cling to this dual natured person, you are calling God a lie.  It means the Catholic popes and all their idols gods mean more to you than the truth of God.  You cannot bring yourself to turn loose that whore's teachings.
 
Both the trinity lie and the Jesus only lie DECLARE THAT JESUS WAS BOTH GOD AND MAN.    In other words picture it -- the myths of half man and half horse.
 
See that dual thing is where it came from - mythology = idol gods of the heathen.
 
Is your god a dual being?  Mine is surely NOT.   And I don't care how many come by, poke fun at me, belittle me, curse me, take up arms with me, or whatever you come up with,  I AM TEACHING TRUTH. AND I STAND ON IT.  Take the whole world but give me the  TRUE JESUS. 
 
A man even now in Heaven 
 
   

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