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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 6/26/2007 4:10 AM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 3/6/2003 9:54 PM
 

 

   

 

Isa. 43:1--But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, (speaking to Jesus)---Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou are mine. (Being called by name signifies belonging). I am sure there are other places where this is taught.

Now, go back and look at Matt. 16--- first Jesus asks his disciples who others say that Jesus was. Then he pins it down to a personal thing; he asks them, But whom say ye that I am? See it is important that WE know who Jesus is; this is part of it. But, then notice, After Peter declared to Jesus that he knew who Jesus was---

V18---And I say also unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon THIS rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Here is a great revelation; being overlooked;--- The rock is not JUST that one knows who Jesus is: it must also follow that Jesus tells us who we are; in other words, he calls us by our name. "If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me".

It not enough for us to say I know him; he has to also KNOW us. He has to call us by name; he has to put his Spirit in us. THIS is the ROCK. It is a two-way thing: we must know him; but he must also know us. "I in them and they in me". John 17:21-23. Now, that you see the full ROCK, let's try to find more proof in the Word of this.

I think this is GREAT! Here is more proof that it is imperative that Jesus knows us.

Matt. 7:23---And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Here Jesus is speaking to those who claimed to know him; to have prophesied, cast out devils, and done many wonderful works is the name of Jesus.

See, they thought they knew him: but what damned them? The fact that Jesus never knew them!

Matt. 15:12 (speaking of the foolish virgins)---But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

These people tried to get into the marriage by claiming they had known Jesus; and truly at one time they had known him; they had at one time had a light, had oil and had walked with Jesus; but they had let their oil and light go out.

What damned them? The fact that Jesus knew them not. This is present tense; he did not say to this group, I never knew you; he said I know you not---meaning at the present time he did not know them.

It is necessary that we stay in touch with Jesus; yesterday's oil will not do.

Luke 13:24--Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

15--When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

V26---Then shall ye begin to say, we have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

V27---But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Now, this is apparently the foolish virgins; for they stand and knock at the closed door asking to be let in.

But, see, they declared that they had actually 'eaten' in his presence= meaning they had at one time had the blessing of God's presence and Word.

They said he had taught in their streets= their church. Yet, Jesus said I know ye not; depart from me.

Now, don't you see that this positively proves that unless Jesus acknowledges knowing who you are, you will not be in his kingdom?

So, this is the pure, solid rock of salvation: you must know Jesus and Jesus has to know you and call your name. You must have a true revelation of who Jesus is; he must know you by putting his Spirit into you. Without the Spirit, you are none of his.

This is where those who strove to enter in missed it: they did not receive the Spirit, the Holy Ghost. That is what will cause most people to be lost.

May you receive the Holy Ghost today. For without it there is no salvation. Unless Jesus knows you, you will not be permitted into the kingdom.

Here is another Scripture God gave me on this. Galatians 4:9--But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Now, see--here he emphasizes that it is that rather that you are KNOWN OF GOD. See this shows it is more important to be KNOWN OF GOD. We must know him; but unless he knows us, we will not be saved. He will say, depart from me, I know you not.

 

 

 




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 Message 2 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:10 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 3/7/2003 5:37 AM
Matthew 22     Read This Chapter
22:1
And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
22:2
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
22:4
Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
22:5
But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
22:6
And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
22:7
But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
22:8
Then saith he to his servants *, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
22:9
Go ye therefore into the highways *, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
22:10
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
22:11
And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
22:12
And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
22:13
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen

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 Message 3 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:11 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameLittleFlockofJesus</NOBR> Sent: 3/7/2003 10:41 AM
you must know Jesus and Jesus has to know you and call your name. You must have a true revelation of who Jesus is; he must know you by putting his Spirit into you. Without the Spirit, you are none of his.
****YEA JOIE IS RIGHT****************
Must know Jesus who is the Lord. If you know the Lord, you will also know who Jesus is and know the name of the Lord*  If you truly know the Revelation of Jesus Christ, then you will truly know God then.
If the Christians really knew their Christ Jesus who is the Only Savior and Redeemer*, they will not be calling Jesus nor God their friend. Seriously..
But as myLord and Master and as myLord and Redeemer and as myGod and King! Other wise he gets mad and turns his face!
Call Him as your Savior, your Master and your God and everything and your Only Love* TRY IT!
 
TRY IT O JY POET!
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:11 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameThejunkyardpoet</NOBR> Sent: 3/7/2003 11:10 AM
Joie, "your" words lead me to believe you are of sound mind and of the Spirit of John 16/17...It is very difficult to try and show anyone, that they are NOT where they "think" they are...
You must be born again...A "New heart of another Spirit"...and the "Lord is that Spirit"...all else is vanity and of religious hypocrites laboring in vain...In there own behalf...It is the Spirit that gives life, the natual ( flesh) profit a man NOTHING ! ..............JY

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 Message 5 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:12 AM
From: joie Sent: 3/7/2003 11:44 AM
Praise the Lord, JY.  Thank God for you.  And Your words show me you also have a SOUND mind and a good understanding.  This what you said is exactly as the Word of God teaches it.  Those who see this are the true children of God AND  those He is teaching truth to.
 
Others are on their way;  if they do not turn back, but follow on to KNOW the Lord, He will teach them also.  Let's pray they will follow on to know the Spirit.
 
Now to littleflock14,
 
James 2: 23.  And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
 
See here that truly BELIEVING  God means doing what God says and this gives us righteousness and makes us a Friend of God.  Same as Abraham.
 
John 15: 14.  Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
 15.  Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
 
He calls us friends if we do whatsoever He commands us.  Then we are not servants but friends.  Jesus told us everything He heard of his Father.  He spoke God's words; not his own.
 
Truly we do call Him Lord and Master and God;  for he is our Lord and Master and God.  But we acknowledge as Paul did,  Blessed be the    GOD   AND  FATHER   OF  OUR  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST.
BLESSED  BE THE   GOD  OF  JESUS.

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 Message 6 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:12 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameLittleFlockofJesus</NOBR> Sent: 3/7/2003 12:29 PM
JOIE ABOUT
acknowledge as Paul did,  Blessed be the    GOD   AND  FATHER   OF  OUR  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST.
BLESSED  BE THE   GOD  OF  JESUS...
++++++++Question+++++++++++
Are you sure it is written as "Bless be the God of Jesus"
Not "Bless be the Father of our Lord Jesus?" I am so unfamiliar with N.T and with what the Bible says for I never read the whole Bible and expert s you are...Everything I know, myFather taught me..Everything I know of God is from personal experiance of meeting Him as well as the other one. I know both God and Satan very well* Before I never knew them nor believed in God for I don't have any religious back ground raised in church. But I know myGod by heart and soul for over 7 years now..And He speaks to me and the Spirit of wisdom came to me.
That is how I know God because I know the wisdom of God.
This is why I wanted to tell everybody who are wrong about God and his Judgement because they are wrong about Satan and his works and wrong about whom Christ Jesus was..And what God has done for his divine love...They only acknoweldge him as. "he died for me and I am saved.." Do you know what is a perfect Love? Perfect Love has to do with much suffering and enduring pain as Christ suffered on the Cross and if Jesus Christ has died for me? Then I think
I should die for Him who has died for me..This also is I fell a perfect love.
 
You give me the scriptures from the Bible to prove yourself right and deny the message to have reverence for God and his name, the name of the Lord.
And you are right Jesus said in very comforting words they ye, are my friends if you obey my commendments and Abraham was also called as friend of God for his righteousness in faith and in believe and obedience to God's commend of sacraficing his only son Isaac and he obeyed his God and believed him...
So you could use these stories to make it okay for us to call God as our friend and not fear because of Jesus...This is not the way to narrow gate and who are we to call God as friend when even the Son of God came as a man lower then an angel and as a suffering servent?
 
I say this because they do not know of God's Judgement*

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:13 AM
From: joie Sent: 3/7/2003 12:48 PM
This is not the way to narrow gate and who are we to call God as friend when even the Son of God came as a man lower then an angel and as a suffering servent?  (littleflock)
 
Now don't you see that your own words speak what I am saying loud and clear,  Jesus came here lower than an angel as a servent?  and as a man?
 
That my dear, is not God.
 
When the Word said   Blessed be   the  God   and  Father of our Lord Jesus.  It is saying That the Father is Jesus' God.  I only said it that way to make it clear.
 
Ephesians 1
 1.  Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
 2.  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

 3.  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
 
read v 3.  .....the  God ......... of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Now am I not true to the Word?
 
Jesus hanging on the cross cried out ---"my God, My God,    ..........did he not?   Why have you forsaken me?"
 
Wife of youth when she was forsaken.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:13 AM
From: pillar Sent: 3/7/2003 1:00 PM
joie
Jesus hanging on the cross cried out ---"my God, My God,    ..........did he not?   Why have you forsaken me?"
He forsooke the word, that he might raise it in newness of life.pillar

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 Message 9 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:14 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameLittleFlockofJesus</NOBR> Sent: 3/7/2003 1:31 PM
The Lord Jesus came as man lower then an angel as a suffering servant and died on the cross as a sacraficial offering for sin and to purchase himself a wife known as the Church and this type of love no human can comprehend. The Love and The Faifulness of God who is in the Father and the Son who gives the Holy Spirit the The Holy Souls are with God forever*  Everything Jesus said and done was by the Word of God so that the scriptures may come true. Jesus said, "MyGod myGod why have you forsaken me?" Isn't this what David said in his Psalms?

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:14 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameLolady·</NOBR> Sent: 3/8/2003 11:47 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
                                   A Rose for Joie  

Yes you are so right...Jesus has to know us, it's not enough that we know Him. Please accept these roses as token of my gratefulness. Because of your group and the challenges you set forth, my passion for the Word of God has come alive again. For too too long I neglected reading the bible, for reasons that are unimportant, now. But once again it is food to my spirit. My faith is bursting from every pore.  I have ask the Lord for many years now to bring back the passion I once had for His word.. I visited a few other groups before yours, but it was this one that really got me going again. Thank you Joie!!!!! 

We are constantly learning, even you, and I know you know that.  God opens the doors as long as we keep knocking, seeking and asking.  I was baptisted with/in the Holy Spirit back in 1978...wonderful and glorious event, and I'd like to share it with you one day. Then 16 years later I began to lose my desire for Gods word. I stopped going to church because it was too painful, for reasons I could not understand. It wasn't until I lost my parents to death, which spiralled me into a deep depression, that the Lord showed me just how much he loved me. I always knew I loved God, but I never had that abolute, without a doubt, knowing  that He loved me.  I read it, spoke it, told people of His love, but one day I realized I could not say truthfully that God Loved Me. I know He loves me, now. But it sure has been a struggle to get back to the bible and love it. That's why I thank you, Joie.  We may not agree on the meaning of some scriptures, but that doesn't matter.  You have helped me and I thank you.


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 Message 11 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2007 4:15 AM
From: joie Sent: 3/9/2003 9:06 PM

  

 

 Dear LoLady,

Your message is all the reward I need for all my labour here.  God has blessed me through you.  Thank you so very much for saying those sweet words to me.  I really do need that.

Yes, I learn everyday.  I ask God each day to feed me His Bread from Heaven.  Isaiah and I were receiving revelation almost all day Sat.  We were both just rejoicing as God revealed much Scripture to us.

One great thing about all of this - God said in a Psalm,  We will see eye to eye when He brings again Zion.

At some point in time,  I don't know when or how,  but God is going to bring all his true Sheep into the same understanding.  For we must all believe the same thing - which is His Truth.

We (the true Church)  will someday all know the same thing;  for we must all come to the truth.

Keep studying.  That is what it takes.  Pray and let God show you what His Word says;  not what someone else tells you it is saying.  I live the Word;  talk the word, dream the Word, my life revolves around the Word.

That is the way to true happiness.  The Word is all that counts.  His Spirit and His Word go together and always agree.

Love to you.  I also sent you some lovely flowers.  Hope you enjoy them.

Keep learning and growing, girl!

Jo


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