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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 8/6/2007 7:44 PM

~~ The Virgin ~~

Re 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Re 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Re 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Re 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

1co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them THAT ARE SANCTIFIED in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them THAT ARE SANCTIFIED. (They were perfected forever, so they are without fault.)

Now take a close look at those verses. Study them. Look up thousand, and two and twelve and ten, in the Strong’s Hebrew dictionary. You will discover that these words have a meaning which has nothing at all to do with numbers, or how many of anything. In the beginning, thousand did not mean a number. It meant a teaching family. Two, twelve and ten all mean to double a thing, or as God says, to establish it as truth.

So the hundred forty and four thousand does not mean 144,000, as everyone thinks. It is the double of the twelve thousand, squared. So it means the entire body of true sanctified children of God. They are the Virgin to God. God calls a nation and a church, a woman. He hath likened her to a delicate and comely woman. She, the true Church, is the Virgin to God. Christ Jesus is the head of this body of believers. So they are ONE. This ONE is the Virgin which Isaiah prophesied about in chapter seven.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Now everyone tries to place the fulfillment of this verse with Mary and the conception of Jesus. But that is not who is meant here, as the Virgin. Mary did not give birth to the Emmanuel. The above verse was first fulfilled with the conception and birth of Mahershalalhashbash, in Isaiah eight, for this child was the immediate sign to Ahaz.

Sure, I know and fully believe that Mary was a virgin and that Jesus did not have a natural dad as we do. But that is NOT what the prophecy is about. She was included here, for this entire prophecy takes in all of the Virgin birth to God. It included Mahershalalhashbash, Jesus, Mary, and of course the hundred forty and four thousand. We are all in this prophecy.

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Jude 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace and love, be multiplied. Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Now the above shows that the sanctified ones are those who have salvation. This means we were born again, as children of God. We were born to a virgin Mother, which was Jesus Christ. His body is the offering which sanctified us forever. It has perfected us forever, so that we stand as Virgins to God. As Jesus placed his seed in us, (becoming our Father), we therefore, as Virgins to God, brought forth the manchild, which is our Emmanuel, or the New man in us.

See that we were perfected forever by the offering of the body of Jesus Christ. This shows us as Virgins to God, for we are perfect in Him. Now this body of perfected ones is the first fruits to God. So we brought forth the manchild to God.

Now notice some things about the Woman in Revelation twelve. She is the One with child, which Isaiah seven spoke of.

Re 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: Re 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

This woman, with child, was clothed with the sun and the moon was under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars. Mary? How so?

Re 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Notice her child was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. The Woman fled into the wilderness, where someone fed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Mary? How so?

Re 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Re 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Now the above proves that the overcomers of the church system will be given power over the nations to rule them with a rod of iron, just as He was given of his Father. So this clearly places Jesus and the overcomers in the same ruling body over the nations.

Does not this fit perfectly the prophecy in Isaiah 9: 7? The government shall rest upon his shoulders. So this places all of the sanctified people of God as the ruler over the nations. So all of the people of God are this manchild who was given power over the nations to rule them with the rod of iron. So then both Jesus and we have to be this manchild. Jesus clearly gave his sanctified ones the same power over the nations as God gave to him. So it places us all into the one ruling body of Christ. Thus each of us who overcomes and is sanctified, have brought forth a manchild member of this ruling body of Christ. So then each of us are part of the Virgin which brought forth the manchild. It is an entire kingdom of sanctified, perfected fruit unto God, with Jesus as the head of this kingdom or body.

Now for more proof that we are a virgin to Him: 2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

So this solidly places the Saints as a virgin to Christ. We are the wise virgins. Those others in the church, who did not overcome, are the foolish virgins. They did not bring forth a manchild, so Christ did not KNOW them. He did not give them a child of God, in themselves. They had a form of Godliness, but denied the POWER thereof. So they brought forth no fruit to PERFECTION. He hath sanctified forever those whom he perfected. They are the Virgin who brought forth the manchild, who was to rule all nations with a rod of Iron.

Now again, let me make it clear that this is NOT denying that Mary was a virgin. But that was in the flesh, to bring forth a fleshly human being. This manchild is spiritual, born of the will of God, spirit of spirit. The human person, Jesus, was not the manchild. It was his new man, or his new birth, the Emmanuel. Open your eyes and allow God to reveal this great truth to you. It is just too clear here, for anyone to miss it. Only willful blindness could stop a person from seeing this, as clearly as it is laid out in this message.

Now for more proof that the ‘virgin�?is also used as a many-membered body of people:

Isa 37:22 This is the word which the LORD hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the daughter of Zion, hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.

Now, unless you wish to say that only one person is this daughter of Zion, you must see that THE VIRGIN is speaking of this DAUGHTER of ZION.

Since there were two women in the field, let’s show that other woman, also a virgin:

Isa 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

Now surely anyone should know that this virgin daughter of Babylon is not speaking of any one certain singular woman. It is an entire body of people, the mystery Babylon. These are the foolish virgin. They were foolish because they had a form of Godliness, yet denied the POWER thereof. I will GIVE them power over the nations. He did not give them REST. He did not give them the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. He did not place his seed into them. He KNEW them not.

God brought forth a perfected, sanctified body of believers, to be the Virgin Bride of Christ. He brought forth a wise Virgin when He baptized the New Church into the body of Christ on the Day of Pentecost. Here is prophecy concerning this: Jer 31:4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

Notice that when God brings forth this virgin of Israel, that they go forth in the dances of them that make merry. It is so mocked in this world by the foolish virgins, denying the power thereof. Here is another proof of this joy in the true Virgin of Christ:

Jer 31:13 Then shall the virgin rejoice in the dance, both young men and old together: for I will turn their mourning into joy, and will comfort them, and make them rejoice from their sorrow.

See again, proof that both young men and old are counted here as this VIRGIN, and that they all rejoice in the dance. Yet the ones of us who do rejoice in this holy dance, are mocked and ridiculed by the foolish virgins. Yes, they are very foolish to over look all these prophecies which identify this VIRGIN who brought forth the manchild, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. Yes, the entire body of Christ, all the saints of God, are the Virgin who bore the manchild. It is a kingdom of many members, all being ONE. Jesus is part of it. Mary is part of it. I am part of it. All who have the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and endure to the end, are part of it. We are many members, yet one body.

On the Day of Pentecost this was their identifying attribute, they were all of ONE mind and ONE ACCORD. So must it be today, we who are to be the Virgin who brings forth the manchild, a member of the hundred forty and four thousand, the Virgin To God, who follows the Lamb where ever he goes. They that are led of the Spirit, these are the Sons of God. They are this Virgin identified in Isaiah seven, and nine.

Now for more revelation on that Virgin of the OT covenant: La 1:15 The Lord hath trodden under foot all my mighty men in the midst of me: he hath called an assembly against me to crush my young men: the Lord hath trodden the virgin, the daughter of Judah, as in a winepress.

So here we see more proof that an entire kingdom was called THE VIRGIN. It is a kingdom of many members. These were the foolish virgins. But she is a daughter of Judah. It is spoken of in the singular again.

Now for one more proof that this virgin is a kingdom of many members: Am 5:1 Hear ye this word which I take up against you, even a lamentation, O house of Israel. Am 5:2 The virgin of Israel is fallen; she shall no more rise: she is forsaken upon her land; there is none to raise her up. Am 5:3 For thus saith the Lord GOD; The city that went out by a thousand shall leave an hundred, and that which went forth by an hundred shall leave ten, to the house of Israel. (Notice that his fallen Virgin, was a CITY of at least a thousand.)

THE VIRGIN of Israel is FALLEN. This is the fallen Babylon, those who left Grace and went back to law. Surely you do not think that this is speaking of one certain woman, do you? It is the Old Covenant folks who refused the Grace in the blood of Jesus Christ, which sanctifies and perfects a pure Virgin to Christ. But this entire body of rebels is called The Virgin of Israel. These two virgins are the two women Jesus spoke of who would be in the field together until the end, when the angels will separate the wheat from the tares forever. Then these two virgins will be fully manifested which virgin they were; the fallen virgin of Israel, or the new Virgin Bride of Christ, sanctified, fully perfected, rejoicing in the Dance and the glory of the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, unashamed and full of glory.

Which virgin are you? Have you obeyed from the heart that form of salvation spoken to us by the Apostles of Christ in the Book of Acts? If not, then you are of the foolish virgins, who refused the common salvation and went back to the yoke which their fathers could not bear, that Law of Moses. Is your Sabbath going to cause you to be foolish? When you turn to the weekly Sabbath and refuse the Rest to the Soul, which Jesus gives us, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, then you will be of the fallen virgin, which ends up in destruction. Oh foolish soul, why would you rather perish than to accept the joy unspeakable and full of Glory? Why sit here till you die? Why refuse the new birth of the water and the spirit? Why refuse to go be baptized in the water in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins? And be filled with the Holy Ghost, as he commanded us? Why refuse and end up in the foolish virgin?

By: Jo Smith ~~~ August 6, 2007



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From: MSN NicknameYehudMarieSent: 8/6/2007 8:15 PM
Ohh this is so exciting....because I read this message and I grasped it Joie..You have said this all before and I couldnt accept it before cause I couldnt get past the Part of Jesus being a woman...urgggh...:)
 
But I see now..Yes Jesus the Woman , (For their is only One Man Christ)....... Birthed Christ or emanuel...I kept Looking at Jesus and Christ being the same..But they are not the same..Jesus was a man just like you and I...Christ is Jesus' prefected..First Born of God nd he was birthed from Jesus.. Is this right Joie?
 
Col 1:13
 

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

  In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.


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From: MSN NicknameYehudMarieSent: 8/6/2007 8:26 PM
ohhh what makes me think about this scripture....
 
 

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 1Ti 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. 1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

 

Joie The Christ is the man... some Men use this scripture to puff themselves up over women..But in the Body of Christ we are all the bride..we are all women to him right? women who must give birth to Christ within us...

well I am going to chew on all this for awhile cause it is all still swimming around in my head...

Thanks Love Jodi..

Ps this is a really good message and I hope you will exspand upon it

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/6/2007 9:17 PM
Praise God, my dear Sister, Jodi,
 
Yes, my dear friend,  You have the truth of this.  Oh I am so thankful to God that this message had fed you and will bear fruit there.  that is all the reward I ever need for this labour.
 
Oh I was so glad,  for when I feel led to pray for you to come back, you do so.  I know it is of God.
 
Yes, I am thankful that you can now see what was meant by Jesus being our Mother and our Father.
 
He it is that gives birth to us,  it is in the spirit.
He was born naturally of a natural human, just as we are.  But then he was born spiritually by the Spirit of God, being placed into his and bringing forth fruit unto eternal life.
 
Now that Christ inside us is the male,  the manchild, and the one who does the teaching.  it is not MY fleshly mind.  It is the spiritual mind.
 
Men who fight us so hard, are the ones really transgressing this Scripture,  for they teach their own carnal thoughts and it is flesh, the forbidden 'female.'.
 
My teacher is a male, the Spirit, the Christ inside me.  he it is that does the teaching.  It is all proven by Scripture as God told us to do.
 
I am thankful you enjoyed this message and it is food to our souls.  The Christ is you is fully able to teach what God gives you.  It is not our flesh.  We are not forbidden to teach.  We must.  for it is God's spirit speaking in us.
 
love ye,
jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/6/2007 11:17 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameYehudMarie</NOBR> Sent: 8/6/2007 3:15 PM
Ohh this is so exciting....because I read this message and I grasped it Joie..You have said this all before and I couldnt accept it before cause I couldnt get past the Part of Jesus being a woman...urgggh...:)
 
But I see now..Yes Jesus the Woman , (For their is only One Man Christ)....... Birthed Christ or emanuel...I kept Looking at Jesus and Christ being the same..But they are not the same..Jesus was a man just like you and I...Christ is Jesus' prefected..First Born of God nd he was birthed from Jesus.. Is this right Joie?


Me:  Yes, this is exactly the right revelation, Jodi.  You have it and I am so glad.  you worded this so well.  I really like that..Christ is Jesus' perfected, forst born of God and he was  birthed from Jesus.

YES.   THAT IS EXACTLY IT.  RIGHT!  GLORY TO GOD.


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From: MSN NicknameYehudMarieSent: 8/7/2007 1:29 AM
Hi Jo,
 
This message was very Timely, I agree... for it is the beginning of  a greater understanding Of Jesus for me..
As you know..Me and You and Isaiah have gone round and round on Jesus..I was one who always believed with all my Heart that Jesus was God in Flesh..and when you see Jesus as God in flesh, you cannot see the true beauty of the whole Picture of who Jesus was ..and what he really accomplished.here on earth...
 
What I mean is really hard for me to put into words but I will try...
 
When we see Jesus as God in the flesh..we cannot relate to him..we see that he was born and walked this earth sinless..But since we believe he was God..this is not a suprise..After all God is Perfect He doesnt sin right?  
 
 But if we can begin to grasp the reallity that Jesus was a man ..Just like you or I..well thats says something doesnt it? That means as a man..Jesus was Tempted and tryed Just like you and I..Yet in all ways..Jesus CHOSE to do only as his Father Commanded...
 
God has to be Good cause He is Good..God just does not sin
 
Jesus could have sinned just as us,... yet he Chose to do as His Father commanded him to do...Like we choose...When God created man we were given the right  to Choice..Life or Death..
 
Even the angels do not have this Preciouse Choice..But we do...and Jesus did
 
so when we read the scripture
 
 
 
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
 
This really holds new meaning for me now...I want to ponder it some more..and will proububly be writting again soon..
 
Thanks for Getting Back to me Joie..Now that you have done this thing..I just cant see it anyother way...and wonder how I didnt see it before..Its like I read thescriptures..But I really didnt understand them..I knew Jesus was a Great high Priest who was in all points tempted as we are..But I didnt really see it as it was meant to be understood...Isnt that just how the truth works? 
 
Lots of Love, Jodi
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2007 2:59 AM
Thank God for this testimony, Sister Jodi.
Yes, it is as I have been saying a few years, to the dismay of all who read it,  to say that Jesus was God is to actually take away his real glory.  for as you said,  to not sin, if he were God, would hold absolutly no merit at all!
 
and as you now see,  he could not possibly be our example.  How could we look to him, and attempt to do as he did,  if he were God?  We are not God, so he would not have been like unto us and therefore our example.
 
Yet the vast majority, in fact it would be hard to split down that 99 1/2 persent of folks who do not think just the opposite.  They accuse me of belittling Jesus because I declare that he was not God in flesh.
 
His mind was completely a human mind.  His spirit was totally a human spirit.  God's spirit was in Jesus, and Jesus lived in submission to this spirit of God.  Yet if it had been his very own spirit, then it would have meant nothing.
 
If he overcame sin because his very nature was that of god, then it meant nothing.  If he did his miracles of his own power, because of being god,  then it is not our example of what and how we can do the same thing.  It would have meant nothing.  It is not really a miracle,  (if you know what I mean)  for God to live sinless and do miracles.  it is God's own nature.  That is all he does.
 
But when Jesus worked miracles, he did it by believing god,  just as we must do.  when he lived sinless, it was his own human spirit overcoming temptations.  therefore he was our example of how we too can do this thing.
 
We must have the Holy Ghost to do so.  BUT SO DID JESUS.  He actually received the Holy Ghost when he was baptized.  the 'Jesus was God' theory robs him of this.
 
It is my hardest battle everywhere I go.  But you know something?  Both Larry and I also used to believe that Jesus was God.  I was very adament about this.
 
But it was God himself who told me it is not true. 
 
Your testimony is something I have longed to hear from someone.  Just to know that they now see the truth is my reward.
 
This is the right foundation, which will open up more glorious secrets in the Word of god than you can imagine right now.  Without this truth, all of God's word is false to a person.  I mean everything they read will be wrong in their minds.
 
This true foundation will open up the rest of God's truth.  That is why I teach that until one is on this right foundation, they will never ever know any real truth about God or Jesus.
 
Yes, you will never be able to go back, once God opens your understanding to this TRUE JESUS.
 
Love to you,
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameYehudMarieSent: 8/7/2007 4:46 AM
 Oh yes Joie..
 
I do know what you mean..Cause God was just showing me that..To say Jesus is God is to take away from him and his Glory...and it actually seperates us from him.. and all hope of Glory..Because I can never hope to even come close to ever being a God..For I am not God I am Man..
 
I wasnt going to get down and Personal but I think I will..What Father was actually speaking to me after the revelation of this sunk into my thick skull was..
 
Now it is not so easy to exscuse to myself the bad things I have continued to do is it?..
 
after all it was so easy before to say
 
 "ahh well Yes.. I should'nt do this or that.. but well I am just a man... I am not perfect..Nobody is as Perfect as Jesus,... right Father?"
 
WROUNG..(ouch)
 
It will be very hard to make a wroung choice now without knowing in my heart of Hearts That If Jesus could do it ..so could have I...(Thank you Father)
 
Does this mean I am down on myself? Heavens No..This frees me..and causes me to have hope....Instead of worrying that I will never measure up to God..I realize I can do All things through Christ Jesus who stregthens me..That scripture Makes Perfect sense...I really can walk my life out on this earth as Jesus did if I choose too....after all He was a Man....Who was tempted in everyway we have been tempted... Yet he never sinned..
 
And if I sin..I now realize That Christ.. truley does understand me in everyway possible..and is willing to forgive me if I turn to him...What Beautiful Revelation.!!!
 
As scripture tells us
 
Rom 10:14.. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Beautiful are the feet of them that Preach the Gospel of Peace, and bring Tidings of Good Things!!!
 
And What a Good Gospel you have preached today Joie!!! How could I have ever called on Him who I have never believed..How should I have believed in him who I have not heard...I have never heard of Him such as this!!! and I am in awe of the fact that I have been in Love with a man I have never believed..Good Grief that tears right to the heart...and makes one want to cry..My God..I have truly never known you...I have TRULEY never known you...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2007 1:21 PM
Dear Jodi,
what a marvelous testimony!  and such a great message you are now preaching!  My, how God has already turned you into a powerful witness of HIM.
this is what TRUTH does.......it really sets us free.
 
I would like your permission to paste some of what you are saying on another site where I am battling this very thing.
 
I put this message there yesterday, and as of late last night, it had gone totally ignored.   what a shame that Satan has them blinded.  I read a thread where they are so upset trying to figure out how much they should bow to their pastor.  some even said they needed to get his permission to go on vacation.
 
Can you imagine such stuff in the name of Christianity?  it is of the devil.  Yet when the real truth is presented to them, they fight it with all their might.
 
I long to see the day when God will bring forth enough ministers with his truth to set them free.  Jesus said the truth shall set you FREE.
They are under such bondage it is like being in real bounds or jail.
 
they are Jesus-only folks.  in such bondage they are scared to move unless it is ok with their fake pastor.
 
Yes, many years ago, when I was young, I had lived a good clean Christian life for years.  I could overcome any temptation.  I had never stolen in my life.  never even wanted to.  could not lie.  could not cheat. etc.  It was in my nature from childhood.  As a teanager, I could stay a virgin.  until...that preacher kept hounding and pounding David's sin...imagine that......a man after God's own heart....could not.....so why should I think I could....yet I already had for several years...against strong temptation......did not even have the Holy ghost...but loved God....then  kept thinking  if David could not stop,,,,,why do I think I should be able to.....
 
See that wrong teaching, of not bringing it up to New Testament Salvation, of power from on high...tore down a young girl's strength...
 
Now I fight this satanic doctrine with all my might.  Yes. we can live an overcoming life and live it clean and HOLY.  I do.  By the grace of God.  He is my strength and power.
 
thank God for this gloryious truth.
 
Love ye,
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameYehudMarieSent: 8/7/2007 6:50 PM

Hello Joie, Sure you can use whatever I have wrote here., That you wish to use..I do not mind at all..I figure even though some may not understand this truth, who knows when they will..Kind of like me yesterday..I opened your message to read like I have so many times before..But yesterday it was in Gods perfect timing because.. A quickening!!! of the Holy Spirit!! hit me..I too have always Loved Father from Birth I think..LOL I cant remember my birth... But I do know, I do not ever remember a time in my life that I didn't desire him or Love him...

I had a very hard life though and that is all I will say bout that..I have lost many precious things..But as you..Joie... No Man Has ever been able to take my Love of Father, or his Love from me...

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 Because of these issues of my Past..I have however excused away some of my behaviors such as Anger..and my not being able to easily Trust people..at the first sign of conflict from Others I Tend either to blow up..ready to fight to the death to Protect myself, or walk away....For Me Faith is just another word for Trust..and without Faith you see it is impossible to Please God..

When God was telling me yesterday about excuses..this really hit Home for me.. Jesus as a man... caused me to relate to him..some may wonder why this is so important to me...

Well you see..Now when I think about the beatings and abuse I endured ..I see that Jesus endured these things too..yet he did not carry these things in his heart..he released them and forgave them all right from the cross...This is not huge deal if he was a God because God forgives, it is part of Gods Nature to Forgive..it is Natural to him ..

However a Man forgiving people of the Horrible things they did to Jesus before he died..was a Very Big Deal...and I know this..for I have yet to truly forgive from my heart... all that has happened to me..

Joie its not that I wished to sin in anyway.....It is just very hard to function properly when you have not been shown Love ..from the people who raise you...I see this now as an excuse..But it was my excuse to God and to myself for a very long time..It is Like being trapped in a cage...with no hope of overcoming these issues... so Yes This is a Very big deal for me...

and it is a very big deal for others to grasp at this reality too... because I know I am not alone out here in the world...I will never again raise my voice in anger without seeing for myself that no matter what has happened in my past I do not HAVE to act like this...I do not Have to let myself suffer any longer..I do not have to run..I do not have to Hide..I am no Longer in that cage..for the Door has been pointed out to me..and the key has been in my hand all along.....

God is my Protector and my shield..NOT I...And he has Promised to Never Ever Leave me nor will he Forsake me... He has Promised that Nothing can Separate Me form him...I Have nothing to Fear no longer..and their is nothing that has happened on this earth that Jesus Christ cannot relate to...What does this mean to us..well it means that not only can Jesus relate to where we have been.. but he actually walked through it..He walked it as a man like us..Yet.. He Overcame it!!! We too through HIM are Overcomers!!We are More Than Conquers thru Christ Jesus!!! We all have heard this but have we ever really believed it?  We have been Babtized with the Same Spirit He had!!! What makes us believe We cannot? What Makes us believe more in the exscuses' of why we connot..Than we BELIEVE in the One who tells us WE CAN DO ALL THINGS!!!

One thing we will never be able to do is Face him one day and say well Father I did all of these horrible things... to people and to myself and to you... but well... you being God,  You will Just never understand what I went through...That exscuse from this day forward is known now to be what it is..A LIE STRAIGHT FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!!

And I m so Glad to be free of it...Love Jodi

 

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2007 7:43 PM
My goodness, girl.  What a sweet and powerful testimony!  shew, I feel chills going over me as I read it.  God has visited you and given you a tongue of praise for His glory.
 
No wonder I always felt that sweet, kindred spirit with you!  I just never could let you go!  It grieved me so much I cried, when you left before.  I just had to pray for God to bring you back.  shew.  I feel the love flowing through me right now.
 
God brought us together for his purpose.  I feel the same sweet, kindred spirit with Tweety.  I fully believe that God will open her understanding some day.  she is already becoming a mighty good teacher and she has the fire to do it with, just as you and I do.
 
I wish everyone could see today, what you are seeing and saying.  It truly takes away all the real glory and truth to say that Jesus was God when he was born into this life.  No.  and he never existed before, as so many claim.  he was one of us in every sense of the word.
 
You know, so many claim that the only way he could have been our sacrifice was to be God.  Yet the exact OPPOSITE is taught in Scripture.  He had to be a KINSMAN  REDEEMER.
wonder how they miss this?  God is a spirit.  He is not one of us.
 
Jesus was human.  He was and is one of us.  But he overcame the weakness of the flesh, overcame sin in the flesh, and God rewarded him with the greatest reward possible to a human being....he gave Jesus the Lord God for His eternal spirit body.  So now, this confuses everyone and makes them think Mary gave birth to the Lord God. 
 
No such thing!  She birthed a perfect human being.
Human is every way,  yet he lived without sin.  I run into people almost everyday, who say the only way he could have lived without sin, was to be God.
 
How they do miss the real true Jesus!
 
I love you sweet Lady.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2007 7:49 PM
You know the thing of Jesus forgiving and praying for his murders, there on that cross, has always struck me as the finest thing in his life, and certainly the hardest for me to do as he did!
 
I am glad you brought that out.  and another one....always struck me as so great, that I do not ever feel I could measure up to it......that of Stephen, being stoned to death for teaching them the truth......yet he had been given that same 'spirit' as Jesus had.....for he prayed,  Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.
 
I always stood in awe of that and wonder, how did they do it?
But I do believe that God has and will give us the same thing as we need it.  Yes, forgiveness is the height of the Christian Spirit.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameYehudMarieSent: 8/8/2007 6:23 PM
Found it lol..I had to just click on the link from my mail box...
 
Joie,
 
I never should have run off like that before and I am sorry..I realize now that I do not need to run off everytime You and Pillar debate or I dont really know what to call it... I dont want to offend...either of you..I felt then... like I just couldnt grasp or understand anything you two were saying..Let alone be lead astray... honestly I was to confused...and felt it all was usually over me head...so I left..Rather then have you guys fight..
 
What I should have done is Left my questions for him on his board... and my questions for you here this way nobody is upset...But then I do wish we could all learn together..
 
I m sorry that I made you cry with my quick decisions.... well I just wasnt thinking at all...I needed to rest from thinking to much..But I never quit thinking of you or this group..And I would come here from time to time..just to read...cause I missed you all...
 
Looking at what has happened in the last few days I realise something..God Opens our eyes as he wishes too..I didnt understand much then.. but see... now I do see this? and it is  good start..
For me it is awesome!! Cause this one basic understanding of Jesus opens up for more and more understanding..
 
I will stay in touch here sister Joie...It has been wonderful just being here again....Love Jodi
 
P.S Stephen was a wonderful exmple...I had'nt though of Him and his Testimony untill you mentioned it here...I will read his testimony again today and see what this opens up in my heart...
 
Gods Blessings sis Joie...Love Jodi

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/8/2007 8:17 PM
Hi Sister Jodi,
 
That is quite all right.  I understood then, but I also wanted you to stay and let it all open up to you.
 
that thing with Pillar and me has gone on since I first started
 this site.  He was one of my first members.  At first all he did was post Scripture.  I always told him it was good.  I mean after all, what can you do wrong when you only quote Scripture?
 
But then he gradually started voicing his real thoughts.....and wham......the bottom fell out.  He was actually saying that the Written Scriptures is the mother of harlots.  Now I can tell you,  I got to war when people try to teach such mess as that.
 
He claimed that water baptism was not for us today.  and on and on with his false stuff.
 
He left here a couple of times and came back.  I always welcomed him back.  He has left again, and has not returned.  I truly do not look for him to return this time.
 
But I could not stop thinking of you and wishing you had understood and would return.  and I am so glad you did.  I just felt something special for you in the Spirit.
 
This true revelation of Jesus christ is the revelation which opens up all the rest of the Word.  Until a person understands the truth about Jesus, they will never get any understanding.
 
it will open up so fast it will amaze you.  After I first saw it, and God began to reveal the Word to me,  I saw that every revelation I received totally DEPENDED upon that one revelation.
 
Then I saw that this is what Jesus meant when he said,  Upon THIS ROCK  I will  build my Church.
 
we have to have this true foundation of revelation of who Jesus really is to ever get any other truth.
 
Love to you,
Jo

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From: MSN Nicknamelovejoy742Sent: 8/10/2007 12:52 AM
Hi, and I wish to say that I also have received a good blessing reading this message.  this is the kind of stuff which sets this site apart from the rest.  and a good learning experinece it is.
 
thanks

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