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I had to giggle to myself when I read what Dake says about Jesus not being the FATHER. Tweety 11. Jesus taught men to go directly to the Father in all prayer and not pray to Him at all: "YE SHALL ASK ME NOTHING .... Ask the Father IN MY NAME, he will give it you" (John 14:12-15; 15:16; 16:23-28). What could be clearer than that Jesus is not the Father? If men are commanded to "ASK ME NOTHING" but to "ASK THE FATHER" instead, then He is not the Father. It is one of the most unreasonable doctrines under the sun to teach that Jesus and His Father are one and the same person and that the body of Jesus is the Son and the inner man of Jesus is the Father. It is ridiculous to ask men to pray to one part of a person in the name of another part of the same person, or to call two parts of one person by different names-one part called the Father, or inner part, and another part called the Son, or the body part, one part to be the authority to go to the other part in prayer, or more ridiculous still, as some people do, to ignore the Father part and pray only to the Son, or body part. If the language of Jesus does not refer to two persons, then we have to conclude that He did not know how to use the human language. —Dake's Topics |
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Tweety, what are you talking about? Show me one word in my last post which sounds like oneness doctrine? What are you speaking about? I have never one time said that the Father put on flesh and jumped off the throne and came down to earth. You need to read all of this again. Slow down. You are still trying to prove that the false teacher, dake, was true. I have proven his to be a liar over and over and over. You were doing so good studying on your own. Don't stop now. |
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<DIR> Joh 10:30 I1473 and2532 my Father3962 are2070 one.1520 'FAMILY' THE CREATOR IS FATHER OF THE WHITE RACE ON EARTH. </DIR> |
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<DIR> Joh 10:30 I1473 and2532 my Father3962 are2070 one.1520 'FAMILY' THE CREATOR IS FATHER OF THE WHITE RACE ON EARTH. YES AND HE CREATED ANIMALS TOO. THAT MEANS HE CREATED YOU TOO. I know that is you Beffers. I guess GOD wears a KLAN SUIT TOO! HUH? Tweety </DIR> | |
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No, Tweety. Chris is NOT BEFFERS. but he is just as mixed up for they both follow the false teacher, white. |
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just copied some of this on a web site. thanks |
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Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who CREATED heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: Re 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast CREATED all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were CREATED. Col 1:16 For by him were all things CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were CREATED by him, and for him: Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who CREATED all things by Jesus Christ: Chris, bring forth YOUR Scriptures, which you think say that God only created white people. Sure, He DID Create white people, but according to all of the above verses, God also created ALL THINGS WHICH ARE IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. So if some people exist whom God did NOT create, apparently they are somewhere outside of Heaven and Earth. I am afraid you have fallen into some deep and dark horror of false teachings. Please study the Word of God and recover yourself from these delusions. Jo |
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Tweety, I looked at their board last night, after we talked, but could not find what you were reading to me. where is it? |
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Joie, got this going on the forum.
He was the father manifest in the flesh.
He was the son.
He was the Holy Ghost. (Falcon)
Lu 3:22 - And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
If Jesus was the Holy Ghost and the Father, who was this voice from heaven? If Jesus was the Holy Ghost, why did he have to receive the HolY Ghost? If he was the Father, who was this that was saying " Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased? (sesible)
Here is his answer. This was a public affirmation that he was the Messiah that came directly from heaven and it was God the spirit speaking.Many of the Pharisees and Sadducees came to his baptism. This was for them. not for Jesus.
I speak to myself sometimes, dont you?
Jesus was not baptized because he was in need of it and he did not recieve the Holy Ghost, it just sat on him.
Luke 1 :15 said he was full of the Holy Ghost from his mothers womb.
[15] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Jesus gave the answer to the question while talking to John.
Matthew 3[15] And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
This was done for a example and as a sign of what was to come.
Here it is saying the Lord is the spirit. The greek word “pneuma�?is used, the same word is used for the Holy Ghost.
2 Corinthians 3
17] Now the Lord is that Spirit(pneuma): and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty Please address my earlier post. The question was why after Jesus instructed the disciples to:
19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Why did they always baptize in Jesus name?
(Edited by falcon)
Then I came at him with your master piece. What are you saying? Jesus talking to himself. I have heard it all now.
Now let me see if we can straighten this out for us all to understand.
Jesus, standing in water, on earth.... and he splits a part of himself off, and sends it up so it can come down upon him, and anoint him, with that part of himself, which he split off so it could go up to heaven and come back down on him and anoint him, so he would be anointed, else he could not do the work of himself, which he, as his own father, set for him to do, as his own son.
So the part of himself, which is his own father, was sent off into heaven, split apart from the main part, or the body standing in the water, but see the inner part, his own life , or spirit, had to split off for a short while so the 'works' could be displayed,,as his inner spirit, left his body and went up, so it could come back down into him, before he died from lack of his own inner spirit or life.
Then that had to split in-two, so one part could be viewed as the Holy Ghost, which is actually not a person, or spirit, at all, since it is really JUST A TITLE.
We all know that a TITLE is not really anything but a word, such as Mr, or Mrs, or Miss or dr. see? it is not really anybody. it is only a word.
So the Holy Ghost is just a word. it is a title, only I do not know what the title infers, a mr, or dr, or what?
anyway, back to the split-up parts.... the title, Holy Ghost, went up, separated from Jesus, (this gets even more ridiculous, when you realize that Jesus IS the Holy Ghost, but the Holy Ghost, which Jesus is, is just a TITLE!!!
jug-saw puzzle, huh
Well, anyway, back to the story....this title, the Holy Ghost, splits off the main body part, and goes up into the atmosphere, which I guess is heaven, and the other part, which is a little higher up, (and btw, this is also just another TITILE, THE FATHER,) well that TITLE sent that other TITLE, the Holy Ghost, back down to land on the body part in the water...and then those two titles got back into the body, so the body could still live...
after all....
the body without the spirit is DEAD.
So they are all united again, as the title, the Holy Ghost, decends at the command of the other TITLE, the Father, and comes back down onto the body, which is the son. but then son is A TITLE also.??
Isn't this brillent? And it is EXACTLY what the oneness are saying ......holy ghost is a TITLE.
father is A TITLE.
Jesus is both of these titles.
MY, MY, MY, MY. no wonder the world is in total casosetribuehrth h;jf.
Now how about you addressing some of post.
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Larry, that is wonderful. thanks for posting it here. I had totally forgotten writting this. It is wondeful. Wish I could remember all that God gives me to write, but my head is simply not big enough to hold it all. did anyone ever answer to this? Bet it baffled them to the point of madness. they are all so foolish and will say just anything to uphold their false teachers doctrine. No wonder God will say to them , depart from me, I never knew you, you workers of iniquitey. wonder if I put this into any of the special boards? if not, I need to save it there. |
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Your buddy answered it with his smart mouth.
falcon, methinks sesible has received a deeper revelation from the light of a certain star.
sesible, you are correct. I always have something to say, but discretion is an invaluable asset to possess.
Isaiah 28:26 (KJV)
For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.
I have gone all thru this with your mentor, and see no need to revisit it, as my mind is certain (Chtatum)
See how he does not want to deal with it. He knows he can not handle it and don't want to look bad to the people. He always has somethign smart to say then he runs like a rabbit |
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wonder if I put this into any of the special boards?
Yea, please do |
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Yes, Larry. That is how all the false teachers react when confronted with true knowledge. they do not know the word and will not deal with it. all they can do is 'parrot' some other false teacher before them. Yet their hypocrite 'hit-and-run' method of 'answering' is enough to deceive the already deceived minds of satan's followers. but our labor of love and truth will be rewarded by God himself, in time. so keep up the good work. God bless you. Note also, that those words are now in the minds of some who may not just dismiss the straight reasoning of it. It may yet bear true fruit. Jo |
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falcon, methinks sesible has received a deeper revelation from the light of a certain star.
sesible, you are correct. I always have something to say, but discretion is an invaluable asset to possess.
Isaiah 28:26 (KJV)
For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.
I have gone all thru this with your mentor, and see no need to revisit it, as my mind is certain (Chtatum)
Know what, joie, after he said he would not deal with it, when he saw this falcon guy come and try to do something, he jumped right back in |
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<DIR> Jesus was not baptized because he was in need of it and he did not recieve the Holy Ghost, it just sat on him.
Luke 1 :15 said he was full of the Holy Ghost from his mothers womb.
[15] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.(falcon)
</DIR> Falcon, my bible does not say that about Jesus, you might ought yo check your bible. luke 1:15 is speaking of John.
Better be careful of adding to the word. ( sesible)
falcon wrote:
LOL , You did a great Job.
None of that made any sense, just your way of avoiding my question i suppose.
Maybe i can make it a little easier to understand.
God the father, creator of all
Jesus, was God manifest in the flesh
Holy Ghost, the spirit of God,
Makes sense to me. If you would like to have a civil discussion we can continue.
Which post would you like me address? (falcon)
My answer to him. It makes as much sense as Jesus talking to himself. Or Jesus Sitting on his own shoulder. The reason it does not make sense with you is that it does agree with the oneness doctrine, Also I would like for you to address the Luke 1:15 post where you said he was full of the Holy Ghost from his mothers womb.(sesible)
falcons answer to me about luke 1:15 Now get this one. It is a good one . You are correct, thats what happens when you are posting when you should be working. Honest mistake, not my first or last LOL (falcon) |
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Yep, their 'discrestion' tells them to avoid any messages which they cannot tear down with their false doctrine, and which shows that they are in total error. They are 'smart' enough to avoid being shown up. proves they are not interested in learning any truth. |
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