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| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 1/18/2007 4:46 AM |
p.s. I am starting a new thread, but it is coming from the same thread which the other one is from. I am beginning this thread with a 'sneering' little note from Spiritwalker, who set out to really war with me and tear down the truth I teach. She fell right into pillar's deception and began to fight everything I teach. I really had high hopes for her to start with, that she would really get into truth and go on with God. But she fell into deception and ended up actually stopping dealing here at all. We loved Spiritwalker and thought she was going to go the right way. But she began to fight us and sneer at truth, as this little note of hers shows. She is trying to belittle us here, for discussing and teach the truth about Adam, Satan, and serpent. She implies that only love is worth learning about. Yet in other discussions, she does not hold true to this. She is only trying to make us appear as sort of bad here, for showing that Lucifer is Adam. Nevertheless, truth will stand when all the false trees have fallen to rise no more. So Now, here is some more of this good discussion thread. I may go back before I finish and the link to the article from which this discussion came:
| ""The Carnal Mind in You is Satan"""... DID NOT EXIST UNTIL ADAM SINNED. THIS CARNAL MIND IN ADAM IS SATAN. THE CARNAL MIND IN YOU IS SATAN. (Joie's post) "Carnal mind in you is Satan"..... Carnal is flesh...It is NOT SPIRIT For though we walk in the flesh, we do not "war after the flesh" I am not here to war in the flesh....it should be Spirit as the Spirit of Truth teaches us "truth".... I do not commend myself nor compare myself to you or other members here, nor Paul....I do not boast...and if I glorify....may it be in the Lord.... I shall quote Brother Robbob, who is not even in this discussion and may not trust me for doing so...I do not wish to steal his words, but.... the following is what Robbob said in another post: When he talks of adam he talks of our mind. He does not talk to us of natural things, but spiritual. The second adam is the Lord from heaven. That is the mind of Christ The lucifer story is a good one...but Jesus is better....Jesus is life....lucifer is death....."get behind me Satan" , (Jesus said ) and now in faith, hope, trust, reliance and spirit....I shall Glorify the Lord! The best story ever told in any book. My book. Deep things...deeper as I think on it all. And God says to tell the children that "I Love Them". Today. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/27/2003 5:19 PM | | The 'mind' is spiritual. It is not flesh. Our human body is the flesh. But there is also a spiritual 'flesh'. This is the part almost no one is aware of. All they can think of when they read or say 'flesh' is the body. But Jesus said his words are spiritual flesh we must 'eat'. See, the carnal mind does NOT perceive any of this spiritual talk, so it goes off the deep end. Sure, God is love, and we are to know and tell the story of his love. BUT there is another side of things. And this is also in the Word of God. If knowing who and what the serpent is, were of no importance, then why does so much of the Word of God speak of this? If you focus on only one thing in the Word, and ignore the rest, or think it unimportant, then you are trying to choose for yourself what part of GOD IS OK. AND WHAT PART IS OF NO IMPORTANCE. Now I myself consider this to be a dangerous and deadly attitude. To me ALL of the Word of God is important. We must live by EVERY WORD OF GOD. We cannot just decide that we like the 'love' story and say the rest of the Word of God is not worth learning or discussing. Paul plainly said to be carnally MINDED is DEATH. Now do you consider this state of being dead of no importance? If people do not realize where their own worst enemy is, how in this world are they going to know how and where to fight this enemy to destroy him and find eternal life? I see that when a part of the Word is opened up which most of you do not like because you were not taught it by your 'church' or special 'teacher' then you scoff it and try to belittle it and mock and say it is of no importance. Well, I must tell you, all of God's word is of utmost importance. The carnal mind is NOT HUMAN FLESH; IT IS A SPIRIT. Else how was Peter spiritual in one instance; and Satan only a very short time later? It was the very same human man standing there. I have challenged all of you who believe in the trinity to show even one verse which says what that doctrine says, and to this date not one of you have ever came up with one little sentence in the Word of God saying what the trinity lie says; yet everyone still clings to this lie. Why? Because it is what the main-stream of religions believe. It is more comfortable to listen to their lies, than to 'swim' against the current and find truth for yourself. It is the same with the thing of Adam being Satan. It is not popular to believe this so just go with the crowd. it is easier for you. But as for me, I believe Jesus. When he declared the Pharisees to be a generation of SERPENTS, HE CERTAINLY DID NOT MEAN THEY WERE SOME ANIMAL OUT IN SOME FIELD. He shows right here that they were the same substance as that serpent who deceived Eve. Human. | |
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If you focus on only one thing in the Word, and ignore the rest, or think it unimportant, then you are trying to choose for yourself what part of GOD IS OK. AND WHAT PART IS OF NO IMPORTANCE. Now I myself consider this to be a dangerous and deadly attitude. To me ALL of the Word of God is important. We must live by EVERY WORD OF GOD. We cannot just decide that we like the 'love' story and say the rest of the Word of God is not worth learning or discussing. (from joie's post)
Joie this is so true and important and Paul also must thought it was important. The love of Jesus Christ is very important. But know what the world considers theirselves saved and that is all we hear now, is the love of Jesus. But no what if went back to the ole way where men of GOD PREACHED there was a hell we as a nation and a people would not be in the shape that we are in. I can remember as a young lad when these preachers preached hell fire and damnation and they would tell you that you were going to hell if you did not repent and be baptized and received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in another tongues. You know what the altars were full and people were receiving the Holy Ghost as they did on the day of Pentecost and also this nation was better off. There is no fear of God ANY MORE JOIE. Folks we need to go back to the old paths. Joie not saying that you are old but the people on this board ought to give thanks for someone like you that will stand for the whole counsel of God as you do and teach. I for one do thank you very much. Hell or heaven, joie preach the word. Just as Paul said******* For I have not * * shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/28/2003 1:06 AM | | Amen, and thank you very much for that nice and encouraging word, Brother Isaiah. Yes, it is a pity that most everyone today only wants to hear smooth, pleasant things; tickle their ears. But don't tell them humanity is a serpent, or no good. Well, Jesus Christ did not mind telling it as it is. He said, you hypocrites, you scorpions, you generation of serpents. John said the old serpent is the devil, the dragon, and satan. So what is wrong with my saying it? I am only saying what they said; I thought this is what we are supposed to do, teach the Word. I read that in the Word. Yes, as a nation starts to reject the whole council of God, he will raise up a voice to warn them and then destruction followers. Be warned! Destruction is on its way! Without the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, a Holy, sanctified life, you are doomed to destruction. Jo | |
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p.s. OK now here come Spiritwalker back, with more of her sneers and ignorance of the Word of God. Watch her as she fights us and tries to tear down the truth we teach here. This is the very reason she fell backwards. She refused truth as it came to her. She says, show scripture proof of adam being satan. has not happened (only to her blinded mind. we certainly proved it and the very message, which was trying to disprove it, ended up proving it, for you cannot stay with Scripture and not prove it. See, Spiritwalker did as almost everyone else is doing, holding to false concepts, and refusing truth, because she never heard it before. To you all, Adam is a good something, when the Word of God plainly SAYS THAT BY THIS ONE MAN, ADAM SIN AND DEATH ENTERED THIS WORLD. God remembers Adam's sins against him the last time he is mentioned in the word, PROVING ADAM WAS LOST. So now, all of you who are still holding that adam is a good something, GET SOME SCRIPTURE AND PROVE IT. I see that spiritwalker did not bring forth any Scripture proof that adam is good, as she demands us to do. I did plenty of it. but see she could not see it for she was blind. As much proof as I gave, and she said we gave none, proves she was blinded by false concepts. I am quite sure this is why both she and lolady left here. They love old adam. They both fought me over this evil man, who brought sin into this world.
| I was looking to find your 3rd witness....wasn't here today. Joie, you said: If you focus on only one thing in the Word, and ignore the rest, or think it unimportant, then you are trying to choose for yourself what part of GOD IS OK. AND WHAT PART IS OF NO IMPORTANCE. Now I myself consider this to be a dangerous and deadly attitude. To me ALL of the Word of God is important. We must live by EVERY WORD OF GOD. We cannot just decide that we like the 'love' story and say the rest of the Word of God is not worth learning or discussing. Now I say, you might as well go on and teach the ten commandments right here and right now....they most certainly are in the "every word of God"...... do you see that? I did. "Spiritwalker" And Joie said: I am still trying to get this article read all the way through. I have not finished it yet. But I will eventually. Guess what? I never read their article and don't intend to do so. I researched to find out where that stuff came from and I listed it for you in message no. 2 of this discussion. And I have not and will not be reading any of that either! Spiritwalker speaking here. Why? I got my KJV....what else is there? Joie & Isaiah, here are your words: We must live by EVERY WORD OF GOD. We cannot just decide that we like the 'love' story and say the rest of the Word of God is not worth learning or discussing. (from joie's post)
Joie this is so true and important and Paul also must thought it was important. The love of Jesus Christ is very important. But know what the world considers theirselves saved and that is all we hear now, is the love of Jesus. But no what if went back to the ole way where men of GOD PREACHED there was a hell we as a nation and a people would not be in the shape that we are in. Right here in these words......no, nope, no way, I do not agree and will not agree, unhuh---- I will not back down, and I am not ashamed to say that this "Love Story" of Jesus Christ is the only reason many are alive today. He is IMPORTANT, HE IS THE SON OF GOD......HE IS OUR CHAMPION, OUR SAVIOUR.....PHOOEY!!! Now satan, I know who and what he is...and frankly, I cannot at this time accept the fact of his being Adam.....as you say...give me scripture to prove it. It has not happened yet. And that little cunning sneaky worm was and has been defeated my the GREAT LOVE STORY and that is the part I hold onto. HE taught us how to deal with satan...get behind me, it is written...... You see, when the time comes, I intend to be in line with the sheep and not the goats. I know what is coming and you do too. Maybe many people don't, and they need to be told. Jesus taught with love and kindness, and told us the greatest commandment of all was to "love one another". This loving one another will get more people interested in learning the Gospel than any hellfire damnation sermon that scares a person into doing something out of "fear"....after all....""GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF FEAR"....the devil is and you know it. God Bless. | |
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| Ro 3:18****** There is no fear of God before their eyes. ( that is what is wrong with this world to-day there is no fear of God in the world and also the church. We must have the fear of GOD in us. Instead the preachers tell his people just like Adam said to Eve that thou surely shall not die. God IS LOVE, you have no reason to fear God. you and they are going to be accountable to everyone that hears and listen to you. Heb 10:31***** It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. | |
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| Spiritwalker tell me how do you think that the message of love alone will get anyone save? There most be some fear of God so the people will see a reason for repentance. If they only hear the message of love they will say, well God is not going to send me to hell and you know yourself their must be some fear of God in their hearts. That is what brings about repentance, the fear of God. There must be a godly fear there and godly sorrow there. | |
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Here is the original message which started all of this discussion: |
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p.s. I love this one:
| Jesus taught with love and kindness, and told us the greatest commandment of all was to "love one another" ( Spiritwalker)
He sure did didn't he? Mt 23:33 - Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Mt 3:7 - But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 12:34- O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Mt 15:7 - Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, Mt 22:18 - But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Mt 23:13 - But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Mt 23:25 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Mr 7:6 - He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Surely this was not Jesus talking this way. | |
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p.s. Boy, we sure got into some good stuff here. Glad I found this old thread. Love this one also. Notice, I see now that this fake 'love only' message is like the fake 'prosperity' message. it is an enemy to the gospel of God.
| From: joie | Sent: 8/28/2003 9:34 PM | | So, we should only teach love eh? Well then tear up and throw out this passage: Malachi 1 1. The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2. I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3. And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4. Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, the border of wickedness, and, the people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever. Sure God loves the RIGHTEOUS; BUT GOD HATES THE WICKED. Now am I unrighteous to tell and warn people of this? I say this is the ONLY TRUE LOVE; TO CORRECT AND WARN THE UNGODLY TO REPENT OF HIS SINS LEST HE BE THROWN INTO A LAKE BURNING WITH FIRE AND BRINSTONE. Now the Jehovah's wittness (falsely so-called; they know not Jehovah)----- but anyway they went about telling the world God is too good and too loving to send anyone to hell; thus paying the way for all this NEW AGE MESS OF GOD IS SO FULL OF LOVE NO ONE NEEDS TO HEAR OF HELL. To lie and deceive people into thinking God loves them, when God actually hates them and unless they repent and obey the message of Peter and Paul they are going to land in HELL FIRE. This is LOVE -- to tell them the truth which can lead them to repentance. So, Malachi, you better quit saying God hated Esau, you are telling bad stuff here. You not a good teacher. Let's see now, me thinks Brother Paul got in on this line of stuff also; let me go see. Romans 9: 13. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Yep there is Paul saying the same thing Malachi said, that God hated Esau. Now it is not just speaking of the litteral man Esau--- it is speaking of all who follow Esau into selling out their birthright (Pentecost) for the flesh. All of them right down to today are Esau. Proof:? Obadiah 1 1. The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
2. Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.
3. The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
4. Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.(see, it is the Lord bringing them down).
5. If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
6. How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
7. All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
8. Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?(again this is the Lord coming against Esau.) Now there is more; but this is enough; Obadiah was written hundreds, maybe a thousand years or more AFTER THE MAN ESAU LIVED. So why is he just now writting PROPHECY about Esau? Because it means people TODAY. So God still hates them. If they are not warned, they will land in HELL FIRE. Is it LOVE to not tell them the truth? I say no. Love is corrective. |
p.s. again: I hope many people will take the time to read these discussions. There is so much truth and needful doctrine in this discussion. Get to TRUTH. Get away from blind, false leaders. So many left here and followed the blind leaders out into the darkness of NIGHT as did Judas. |
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