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Adam; Satan : When God Remembers your Sins
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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 8/11/2005 10:00 PM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 6/10/2005 6:17 PM

~ When God Remembers your sins ~

Today is Thursday, 6/9/05. This message is a follow-up of the one I did before on the Mystery One. I know that God wants me to reveal more on this subject of God remembering your sins. By this method we may determine the eternal destination of characters in the Word of God. The very same principle applies to everyone who ever lived.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Eze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

Eze 18:28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Now I know I covered this in the other message, but it is not common knowledge, so we must go into it again. Study the above Scriptures real closely. It is a principle of God which He never has changed. He never will change it. This is for everyone. By this principle we find out that Adam was a wicked man who died in his sins. We also find out that Eve was a righteous woman, who has eternal life. We find out that Cain was a wicked man who died in his sins. Jesus himself bore witness that Abel was a righteous man.

Now what proves that Adam died in his sins? I proved this in the message, The Mystery One. But I want to go over this again for a purpose. For one thing, it seems that almost everyone is deceived about Adam and Eve. Almost everyone believes that Adam was a righteous person and Eve was wicked. Right the opposite is true. The above Scripture proves this. Let’s look at it.

God said in verse 21 & 22 if the wicked will turn from all his sins and do good he will not mention his sins to him and he will live. He said in verse 24 that if a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, his righteousness will not be mentioned. He shall die in his sins.

Now this is the principle of God. Check all the Scriptures which speak anything about Adam. Not one of them ever mentions any righteousness for Adam. It is not once mentioned. If you can find where righteousness is attributed to Adam, show it to me. I cannot find one good word spoken about Adam. Job said Adam hid his sins in his bosom. Paul said in Adam all die. Paul said Adam sinned and brought death upon us all. See, his sins are mentioned till the end. Not one word about any righteousness is mentioned. This proves that Adam was wicked and died in his sins.

Now what about Eve? We find that Eve was deceived; she did not willfully sin against God. Adam deceived her. BUT there is solid proof that Eve repented and turned back to righteousness. Her sins are not mentioned anymore, only to tell what took place in the Garden. Look up ‘Adam�?in the Strongs Hebrew dictionary. It means a mean, low sort of man. It means a hypocrite. It means to be made RED [the red dragon].

Look up ‘Eve�? It means life giver or restorer to life. Adam said she was the Mother of all living. ‘Living�?signifies those who have the life of God. New Jerusalem is the Mother of us all. So this ties Eve with the Holy City of God.

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Notice here that Eve gave the LORD [God, the Father] credit for her bearing a son. There is not one word written in the Word about Adam ever one time glorifying God.

Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Now here God spoke the same principle to Cain that is written in Eze. 18. He told Cain, if you will do well, or repent, you will be accepted. But if you fail to do well, sin lieth at the door. We find that Cain never did repent. He has murdered his brother and he never did repent. He died in his sins. No righteousness is ever mentioned for Cain.

Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

This proves that Cain died without God. 1John 3:12 -Not as CAIN, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Jude 1:11-Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of CAIN, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Now these are the Scriptures showing us that God mentioned or remembered the sins of Cain forever. No righteousness is ever attributed to Cain. He died in his sins. This one verse also shows us that Balaam and Core did in their sins. God has remembered their sins against them in this verse. He has mentioned them at the end. It shows there is a woe upon all who go in the way of Cain, Balaam [doing the work of God for reward; money], and Core, who coveted the things of the world and sin. So, if it is a woe to go in the way of these men, they never repented and turned to righteousness.

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Notice here again, Eve blesses and honours God for the birth of another son. She also shows here that Abel was counted as her seed, and not the wicked Cain. She here claims the righteous Seth for a replacement of her other righteous son. So, Eve had sided with Abel in serving the true God. She was connected here with both Abel and Seth, not Cain or Adam. She mentions Cain’s sin, so she is living by the same principles God revealed in Eze. 18. Only a spiritually blind person could fail to see the connection here between the righteous sons, Abel and Seth and their mother, Eve.

2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Now there are people in our land who distort the above verse and try to say this is teaching that some evil animal creature had sex with Eve and brought forth Cain. This is a hideous lie from the pits of hell. Not one single word of such filth is mentioned here. Look up the word ‘beguiled�? It means to lead by deception. Now where is being deceived a sin? Only when one stays in that deception is it wrong. Eve did NOT stay deceived. I have already proven this. This is merely saying that the serpent [Adam] led Eve into doing wrong by HIS subtlety. She was not subtle, He was.

1Tim 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Now this is the last time Eve is mentioned in Scripture. Not one time has sin been named to her. It is not mentioned. It teaches that she was in the transgression only by deception. This is not held against her. If so, then why did Paul add, she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness and sobriety? IF THEY CONTINUE. CONTINUE. This proves this is the state of Eve at this last mention of her name. It is stating that other women may also be saved by the same means Eve was = by being in faith, charity, HOLINESS, and sobriety. See how Paul switched to ‘they�? meaning other women? He is saying that other women may be saved the same way Eve was, by being holy. ‘They�?means more than one woman. Here it is speaking of all other women, not Eve. He is saying they may be saved the same way Eve was. God revealed this truth to me. If you look at what is truly being said here, it proves this. Only a WILLFUL disregard of Scripture Truth could cause one to not see this. God has not REMEMBERED any sin against Eve. It is not MENTIONED. She was saved. She lives eternally. Glory to God for this great truth. The MOTHER OF US ALL. Abraham is the Father of the RIGHTEOUS, not Adam.

Re 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Re 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Re 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Re 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Now there is much to learn from these verses in Revelation. We find that God told almost every one of the churches that He had a few things against them. This shows that there was sin in these churches which had not been repented of. We find here that Jezebel also died in her sins, for God is remembering her sins here and uses this woman to type the church which sins and loves the ways of Satan. This is the church of Satan or the kingdom of Adam, the seven-headed kingdom of the beast. See that God said this woman [church] calls herself a prophetess, [meaning she is into religion], and that she teaches and seduces God’s servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. These are the sins mentioned against her [the church]. This is NOT speaking of the original Jezebel. She is only used as a type of this sinning church. So, it is a church which is teaching these people of God to sin against God. Think of this; a church leading you down the road to hell fire!

You might wonder, “which church?�?Any and all who partake of the idol holidays. This is the way they commit fornication against God and eat things sacrificed to idols. Remember also, that God is mentioning their sins. This is the time when He brings anyone to judgment, when he remembers or mentions their sins to them. So this church is being judged as against God. Where does that leave you, her children?

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But notice, God said I gave her space to repent of her fornication. So we see that God gave everyone space to repent and turn to righteousness. He had told Cain if you do well = turn from your sins [repent] to righteousness, you will be accepted. But they repented not. So all those who do not repent, but continue on in their sins all their lives, are the children of this Jezebel Church and will end up in hell fire. This is the ‘death�?he spoke of killing her children with. It is not the first, or natural death, for all partake of this ‘death�?

You do not have to even go to church to be her children. All you must do is never repent and turn to righteousness. All you must do is observe the holidays. Everyone is either of the True Church of God, or you are of the Jezebel, whorish church. If you observe the holidays, you are committing the Jezebel fornication and eating her things sacrificed to idols. You are then guilty and have not repented. If you continue on in this sin until your death, or the time God brings you to judgment, then He will remember your sins against you and you will be lost.

We find that God mentioned only sins against the last church. So this church was of Jezebel, [Adam, Satan] and never repented of her sins. This is why God said, “Come out of her my people, that you partake not of her sins and receive of the wrath of God�?

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Now we find from these verses that Babylon is also the Jezebel Churches. So Babylon also never repented of her sins. She is used here to type the whorish kingdom of Adam, the Law System of serving God. See that they are guilty of the fornication of the Jezebel church. Her main sin is that of ‘merchandizing�?the things of God. This is the people who receive pay for their ‘work�?of God. These are they who hold suppers, yard sales, and all other sorts of money-making schemes for their churches. This is the ‘merchandizing�?which Jesus commanded us not to make his Father’s house a house of merchandise. But see that all the Jezebel churches are full of merchandizing, for this buying and selling and love of money is the Mark of the Beast, Adam.

God now remembers her sins and calls her to judgment. He now MENTIONS all her sins against her. So this proves that this Jezebel, Laodician Church is unrepented and dies in her sins. The wrath of God comes against this church and all who have stayed in this church and disregarded God’s command to come out of her.

So, if you continue to stay inside a church which resorts to merchandizing, observing holidays, eating things sacrificed to idols, and all the other sins mentioned here, you will receive of her plagues and end up in hell fire. Is it worth it to you? Now you may have deceived yourself all your life and think that just because they call themselves a ‘church�?that this makes it alright for you to go there and support this evil system, but in the end, you will be called to judgment and God will mention these sins against you and send you to hell.

The last thing the Spirit says to the churches is, “Come out of her, my people�? Do you ‘hear�?this voice of the Spirit? If not, you will partake of her sins and her plagues. You will be killed with death. This is the second death in the lake of fire. Where are you headed? Do you even care? Does this fake church mean more to you than eternal life?

Again, you may wonder, which church? Give them the ‘word�?test. Do they do holidays? If so, this is idol worship. Do they eat things sacrificed to idols, such as Santa Clause, X-mess dinners and parties, Halloween candy, Easter eggs, etc? If so, this is sin punishable by eternal death. Do they indulge in selling merchandise to make money for the church? Do they pay a man to teach them the Word and rule over them? Does the singers, musicians, the ones who clean the church or cut the grass receive pay for doing this work of God? If so, then it is a Jezebel church. It matters not what they call themselves. It matters not how they baptize, if they partake of these sins, they are Jezebel, Babylon, Kingdom of Satan [his seat is in these churches] and you will be lost with them. Examine yourselves and see if you be in the true Faith. If you partake of any of the above sins, you are not in the true faith, you are in Jezebel and refused to come out of her.

When God remembers her sins and calls her to judgment to give her the rewards for her deeds, then all who are part of her will be included in this judgment and plagues. Do not think you can stay in her, partake of her sins, and escape this judgment? You are part of her, you will partake of her judgment.

Now, let’s examine some other people mentioned in Scripture, for proof of this message.

Take Esau for instance.

Mal 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Mal 1:4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

Now this shows that God hated Esau and said he had indignation against his people for ever. Why? Because Esau never repented of his sins and turned to righteousness. If he had, God would have accepted him and never mentioned his sins against him. Yet here, his sins are remembered and held against him for ever. It was nothing particular which Esau did to provoke this hatred in God. It was the fact that Esau never humbled himself and repented. He never did turn to righteousness. He rebelled against God.

Now lets look at another man in the Word. I suppose DAVID is mentioned more times in the Word than any other name. Now we know that David at one time committed adultery and had a man killed to cover up this sin. Yet we do not find that this is ever mentioned against David or held against him. Sure, the Word tells us what happened, but you do not find it mentioned against him afterwards. Check all the NT Scriptures of David. You will not find one word about any sin mentioned against him. He is praised more than any other man. Jesus is called the son of David more than anyone else.

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them DAVID to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found DAVID the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

We read of the sure mercies of David. We find that Jesus will raise back up the tabernacle of David. So see then, that God does not remember any sins against David. Why? He committed both adultery and murder, yet God does not mention this against him. Why? Because David greatly repented of these sins and turned his heart back to righteousness. Thus, God used this man to prove his word, that if one turns from their wickedness to righteousness, God will not remember their sins again. He will not mention them. What a glorious thing for our God to do for us. But you can only reap this benefit if you repent of your sins by turning away from them and doing righteousness. Do that which is right and good and you shall eat the good of the Land. Why will you die? Why sit you there in your sins till you die? It is not necessary. You bring it upon your own self by refusing to repent. Repentance is not just saying I am sorry, please forgive me. No! God shows that it means turning from your wickedness and turning to righteousness. This is the requirement for God to never remember your sins against you or mention them again.

Now lets look at one last witness of this. Everyone seems to think that old Israel, under law, was God’s special, chosen and loved people. But is this true? Read this:

Ac 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

Ac 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Ac 7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, Ac 7:40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

Ac 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Ac 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Ac 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Jesus told his disciples let them alone, how can they escape the damnation of hell. Now just read the above mentioned sins against old Israel. They turned back in their hearts to Egypt [type of sin and world]. They told Aaron to make them a golden calf to worship. They committed fornication. They had the idols Molock and Remphan with them the entire time they were in the wilderness and worshipped these idols. They had many more idols we are told about.

So, see here that God has remembered their sins and mentioned them against them. So these people were not God’s true people. They fall into the category of those whom God hated and had indignation against them forever. They never turned away from their wickedness to righteousness. They never had faith in the true God. They loved and worshipped idols. This is the present day church. It is a continuation of this church in the wilderness. They are all part of Jezebel, Babylon. They are all in fornication against the true God. They are the Esau which God hates. They are ‘twin brother�?to the true church, yet God hates one and loves the other. There are two churches, one is of Satan and the other is of Jesus. Which one are you in? If you keep idol holidays, you are in the idol-worshipping Esau church. This is old law Israel. The law is not of faith.

You think because you ‘attend�?some gathering together, that you are right with God. You think you can watch the evils on TV, have your holidays parties, do your adultery, and other sins you commit, and you are still in the Church of God. It is deception which will lead you to judgment and hell fire. God will remember your sins against you at that day and mention them to your own destruction. All of this happens because you refuse to turn from your wickedness to righteousness, [means do that which is right and good].

Mark11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

So, what does it mean, forgive? It means the very same thing as when God forgives. It means you forget the sin and do not remember it against the person again. It means you do NOT mention the sin to this person again. If you continue to ‘badger�?and nag a person about something they did against you, and they have repented of this, then you did not forgive it and God will not forgive you your sins. It means you now accept this person in love again just as if they had never done the trespass against you. This is the one and only true forgiveness. If you continue to hold it against the person and quit fellowshipping them because of the thing, then you have NOT forgiven it. You must do as God does = never mention it again. Do not hold a grudge in your heart against the person. Let forgiveness cleanse your hurt feelings.

By: Jo Smith

 



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 Message 6 of 20 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 3:47 AM

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Eze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.


This is the state Adam died in.  You cannot find righteousness ever acclaimed to or for Adam in the Word of God.  If you think so, then just quote that verse right here for us.  If you cannot find one word of righteousness claimed by God for Adam, then it is sure that he died lost and evil.

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 Message 7 of 20 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 3:50 AM
I am going to give this to you in small 'bites'.  For apparently you can only comprehend two lines at a time, if that much:
 

Now what about Eve? We find that Eve was deceived; she did not willfully sin against God. Adam deceived her. BUT there is solid proof that Eve repented and turned back to righteousness. Her sins are not mentioned anymore, only to tell what took place in the Garden. Look up ‘Adam�?in the Strongs Hebrew dictionary. It means a mean, low sort of man. It means a hypocrite. It means to be made RED [the red dragon].

Look up ‘Eve�? It means life giver or restorer to life. Adam said she was the Mother of all living. ‘Living�?signifies those who have the life of God. New Jerusalem is the Mother of us all. So this ties Eve with the Holy City of God.


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From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 3:52 AM

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Notice here that Eve gave the LORD [God, the Father] credit for her bearing a son. There is not one word written in the Word about Adam ever one time glorifying God.


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From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 3:58 AM
Jazz, you stated that only a few things are said of Eve in the word of God.  While this is true, bear in mind that God says worlds of revelation in only a few words......that is when one hears from Heaven and is taught the truth from the author of the Words, God himself.  The revelation of those 'few' words is worlds of knowledge.  Only when you are eating the crumbs from the 'rich man's table,' are you unable to see into this great revelation from these few words:
 
Read on, and you, (or anyone who has the ability to 'hear' spiritual will be able to see what a Holy and Godly woman, the mother of us all was:
 

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Notice here again, Eve blesses and honours God for the birth of another son. She also shows here that Abel was counted as her seed, and not the wicked Cain. She here claims the righteous Seth for a replacement of her other righteous son. So, Eve had sided with Abel in serving the true God. She was connected here with both Abel and Seth, not Cain or Adam. She mentions Cain’s sin, so she is living by the same principles God revealed in Eze. 18. Only a spiritually blind person could fail to see the connection here between the righteous sons, Abel and Seth and their mother, Eve.

Do you not find it odd that Adam, whom everyone thinks was so righteous, is not the one praising God for anything?  He is never said to have praised God for one thing.  He does not praise God for the birth of either son.  Only their Mother did this.


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From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 4:00 AM

2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Now there are people in our land who distort the above verse and try to say this is teaching that some evil animal creature had sex with Eve and brought forth Cain. This is a hideous lie from the pits of hell. Not one single word of such filth is mentioned here. Look up the word ‘beguiled�? It means to lead by deception. Now where is being deceived a sin? Only when one stays in that deception is it wrong. Eve did NOT stay deceived. I have already proven this. This is merely saying that the serpent [Adam] led Eve into doing wrong by HIS subtlety. She was not subtle, He was.


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From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 4:09 AM

1Tim 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Now this is the last time Eve is mentioned in Scripture. Not one time has sin been named to her. It is not mentioned.

It teaches that she was in the transgression only by deception. This is not held against her.

If so, then why did Paul add, she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness and sobriety?

 IF THEY CONTINUE. CONTINUE. This proves this is the state of Eve at this last mention of her name.

It is stating that other women may also be saved by the same means Eve was = by being in faith, charity, HOLINESS, and sobriety.

See how Paul switched to ‘they�?/FONT>, meaning other women? He is saying that other women may be saved the same way Eve was, by being holy.

‘They�?means more than one woman.

Here it is speaking of all other women, not Eve.

He is saying they may be saved the same way Eve was.

God revealed this truth to me. If you look at what is truly being said here, it proves this.

Only a WILLFUL disregard of Scripture Truth could cause one to not see this.

God has not REMEMBERED any sin against Eve. It is not MENTIONED.

 She was saved. She lives eternally. Glory to God for this great truth. The MOTHER OF US ALL.

Abraham is the Father of the RIGHTEOUS, not Adam.

 

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From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 4:35 AM

‘They�?means more than one woman.

Here it is speaking of all other women, not Eve.

He is saying they may be saved the same way Eve was.

God gave me this just now as I wrote this on the other thread:  when it said she shall be saved in 'childbearing',  it is not speaking of women having natural children.  It is speaking of Eve, the Mother of us all, bearing other 'children of God = Christians.  God gave me this.  Reject it if you will.  The children of God will hear this.

She bore children, daughters of God.  They must CONTINUE on in faith, holiness, CHARITY (maturity in christian Love) [paul said this is the bond of PERFECTNESS]. AND soberity,.......continue is showing they must follow the path their Holy Mother, Eve,  set for them.

Continue.....is showing Eve had all these Holy qualities and that her daughters [children of God; not of the flesh]  must follow on in her example to be saved. 

Surely you all KNOW THAT HAVING NATURAL BABIES DOES NOT SAVE THE SOUL?????!!!!  

It is totally SPRIITUAL.   

Jazz,  do you understand one spiritual thing?  I doubt it.

God revealed this truth to me. If you look at what is truly being said here, it proves this.

Only a WILLFUL disregard of Scripture Truth could cause one to not see this.

So this fully ties Eve with being the MOTHER of God's children, the Christians.  It is speaking of bearing children for God, not the flesh.  If it were in the flesh, then all the zillions of women who had babies would be saved.......see it has nothing to do with natural child-birth....it is spiritual child-birth...attributed to EVE.

I truly don't see how much plainer this could be said.  It is plain from this Scripture that Eve is the SPIRITUAL MOTHER OF ALL THE SPIRITUAL CHILDREN OF GOD....and that she set a perfect example for us to follow.  She had CHARITY, which is the perfection of the hightest step with God.


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From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 4:40 AM
I have said no such thing!  Why are you making up lies?  Are you that evil against God's revealed truth?
 
Eve was NOT of the Old Testament.  She was in GRACE.  She was filled with love, charity, holiness, soberiety.  All the Christian qualities Paul said we need to have.
 
True people of God NEVER SACRIFICED TO GOD.  They always knew that God dispises this stuff.  That is what made Adam fall. = offering animal sacrifices according to the LAW.  He deceived Eve into this, but she saw it was wrong and repented and turned back to God and served God with Her righteous Son, Abel.
 
If you wanted truth, (which you do not)  go read the messages about Cain, Abel, and Adam.  But you do not want any truth.  You are fighting the truth with all your might.
 
Be warned, you will face God at the judgment for this evil.

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From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 4:44 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamejazz8787</NOBR> Sent: 9/8/2005 11:38 PM
joie  u can speak in the third person and say "they"  do u not understand that?
 
jesus said  "the Son of man must suffer" yet he talking about himself


Where did Jesus call himself  'they'?

Your mind is so evil and so befuledded there is no place in your mind for any truth to enter.  You are so cemented by your false doctrine, that you are into foolishness.  You will do anything, say any foolish thing to try and block anyone from seeing the TRUTH GOD GAVE ME.

You have not one Scripture so you make up junk.


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From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 4:46 AM
Answer my question:  Have you READ this message before you go calling it lies of the debil?  No I doubt you ever read any of them......you are too lazy to read over two lines at a time.

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From: joieSent: 9/9/2005 4:50 AM
Jazz, you do not realize it, but you are doing a very dangerous thing.  This kind of stuff will close the door on you and you will be lost and end up in hell fire.
 
These messages, coming to you, are the very same as JESUS STANDING AT YOUR DOOR AND KNOCKING.
 
He is giving you the very same chance to open your heart and accept truth, as he gave the rich young ruler and Nicodemus.  You are being a young ruler who walks away in sorrow.
 
When you reject the truth God sends you, you will forever be lost out in that horror of darkness and torment.  Why?  Why will you defend your lies at the cost of your own soul?
Don't you know that it is your own self you are destroying, and not me?  Your  unbelief will not take away my righteousness from me.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 9/24/2005 8:51 PM
Again I say, You should READ this message.  READ IT.  All of you members here need to go into the Adam/Satan board and READ all those messages there.
 
This truth about Adam/ Satan/ and Cain need to come to light.  But if you will not study with an open mind, you will die ignorant and go out in to eternal darkness.  This is that land of Nod.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 7/26/2006 4:46 PM
I am sending this message back to the top again.  I hope you new members will take the time to study this message.  Also some of you others need to study this if you wish to ever see the real truth about Adam and Eve.
 
Love ye all,
Joie

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