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| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 1/18/2007 5:13 AM |
p.s. I hate to split this thread, but if I make it so long, parts go over into another page, they will never be read. So I am starting again. This thread follows the first 'continuing study on Satan.' so please read that thread, then this one to get the real sense of this discussion. This is a powerful message which I answered to Spiritwalker's rebuking our study. she is trying to throw it all off by coming in with a sickening, sugarie sneer that only love needs to be taught. It is works of the devil to lead souls into that death trap. And here is my rebuttle to that false doctrine of 'sugar-coated love story'. (sneer intended) Here is a great truth to anyone who has 'ears' to HEAR.
| From: joie | Sent: 8/28/2003 9:52 PM | | Larry, I see more and more how Satan deceives with that TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL. Yes, it looks so right; but it is so deceiving to preach or teach a 'fake' kind of 'love' message. Sure, who could see through it? Only the FEW that Jesus said would find that STRAIGHT, NARROW WAY WHICH LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE. See, Love can sound like it has to be 'sugar and ice-cream, cake' kind of thing. But People who feed their children this way are destroying them. Is that Love? No, it is ignorance. Love says, eat those vegtables and fruit which will give you good health. Eat them, or else. Cancer will strike you. Lack of care says just eat anything you love. eat candy, eat cake; eat junk. Is that love? No! So also a gospel of 'love' apart from the warning Jesus, Peter and Paul always attached with it, is poison to the soul. It is death. Somebody is being deceived here. Peter, Paul, and Jesus did not go around sugar coating the gospel and teaching soft 'love' stuff. It is just not written. That is the poison MIXTURE of 'good and evil.' Spiritwalker, It is true that the ten commandments are in the word. But it is also true that we are told to get away from the law. Had I not known the ten C. Written, then I would not have learned what Grace is. So it is needful to KNOW about this; but we have to rightly DIVIDE the Word of Truth. Killing sheep is also written and it is there for me to read, but it is not there for me to live by. It is there for my learning; that this could never take away my sins. This has no bearing on my teaching the TRUTH of Adam, Satan, the serpent. Now you said give you Scripture on this. I already have given much, much Scripture proof. If you cannot and will not hear it, there is no need for me to give them again. I will ask you this: who was Jesus liking the Pharisees unto when he said they were a generation of SERPENTS? Who was their father? He said they were of their father the devil. He said they were SERPENTS. Does this mean they are a spirit? Rev. says that old serpent (the one in that Garden) is the devil, the dragon, Satan. Now that is the word of God. So, those Pharisees are one of them. So what does this mean? Were they not Jews? Were they not decendants of Adam? He said a generation, this is fleshly. Now the reason I read the article on Lucifer is this: I am a manager of this community. It is my God -given responsiblity to check out what is taught here; just as a pastor of a church would do. But that is not the only reason, I myself am wanting to see what others say and teach. If they teach truth, I desire to join with them. But if they teach falsely then I desire to either help them see truth or show others they lie. It depends on wheather they are TEACHABLE OR NOT. If they refuse to accept what the Word of God plainly says when God sends someone to show it, then they are rebellious to God and will land in HELL FIRE. So will you, and all others (including myself) if we refuse the written Word of God for our own ways. God taught me the truth about Adam; not somebody else. It is true no matter how many of you refuse to see the truth. Read in Job how Satan came in with the OTHER SONS OF GOD TO PRESENT HIMSELF TO GOD WHEN GOD HAD HIS SONS THERE. Explain this to me. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/28/2003 10:04 PM | | Let's check out some more of this 'love and kindness' stuff Jesus taught. Not to be evil, but to try to help you all see the real truth. Mat. 5: 20. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Now, if you had been one of those scribes and Pharisees, how would you have felt about the above statement? ~~~~~ They did too, and that is why they continually saught a way to KILL HIM. What did Jesus teach and say about Hell Fire? Mat. 5: 22. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 29. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. This is Jesus' words now; not mine: If your right eye offend you, PLUCK IT OUT..for this is better than going into hell. He said your WHOLE BODY BE CAST INTO HELL. DON'T LET EVIL WORKERS TEACH YOU THAT THEIR BODY WILL NOT BE IN HELL, JESUS SAID THEY WOULD BE. If your hand offends you, cut it off, for this is better than your WHOLE BODY BEING CAST INTO HELL. Are you going to argure with Jesus? With what? Do any of you know more about this than he did? | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/28/2003 10:21 PM | | 2 Peter 2 1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5. And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6. And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7. And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8. (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
9. The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13. And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14. Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15. Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16. But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17. These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
| | | Now here is some of my Brother Peter's nice, kind, sweet, loving words he said about some dogs and hogs. Please take the time to read this whole chapter and consider if this is love and kindness or what? Don't be deceived by this new age mess. God is angry with the wicked every day and will persue them until he DESTROYS them from off the face of the earth. Want Scripture for this? OK. Here it is: Psm. 7: 11. God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
12. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.
13. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.
14. Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
15. He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
16. His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.
Psm 21: 8. Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee.
9. Thou shalt make them as a: fiery oven in the time of thine anger the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.
10. Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.
11. For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, which they are not able to perform.
12. Therefore shalt thou make them turn their back, when thou shalt make ready thine arrows upon thy strings against the face of them.
Now is this sweetness and kindness? This is that God of Love destroying his enemies without mercy. He who made them will show them no mercy. | | p.s. Larry, I see now why so many come in here for a while, then have to run as fast as they can....they cannot do anything with the wisdom and truth with which we speak, for God has taught us. | |
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43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. "Hell" the place of unquenchable fire where the worm dieth not is so terrible that every influnce of of sin must be opposed and rejected, whatever the cost we must get this message forth that there is a hell. WE must put sin to death. We must warn the people of the wrath to come. We must never stop waging war against hell and sin. This is a spiritual battle between heaven and hell going on. We must come against Satan and Hell with all the armor of God. Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
We face a spiritual conflick with Satan and a host of evil spirits. WE have got to come against these strongholds of Satan and these evil spirits. We must stand firm and face the enemy and become mighty warriors and contend with Satan and these evil spirits. We MUST WAGE WAR AGAINST ALL EVIL, BUT NOT IN OUR OWN POWER BUT WITH THE SPIRITUAL WEAPONS THAT GOD HAS PROVIDED FOR US. These powers of darkness are those that oppose God and and his ways. The sad part if we look at it in the natural is that we are overpowered, but praise God this is spiritual and if GOD be for us who can be against us. WE CAN DEFEAT THE ENEMY WITH THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IS THE WORD OF GOD. THIS IS OUR OFFENSIVE WEAPON TO BE USED IN WAR AGAINST THE POWER OF EVIL WHICH IS SATAN AND HIS ANGELS. BUT GOD GAVE US THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON THAN ANY WEAPON THAT HAS BEEN MADE. HE GAVE US HIS SWORD ( THE WORD) SATAN WILL DO EVERTHING POSSIBLE TO DESTROY OUR CONFIDENCE IN THE WORD. SO WE MUST DO EVERTHING POSSIBLE TO DEFEND THE INSPIRED SCRIPTURES AGAINST ALLEGATIONS THAT IT IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD IN EVERYTHING THAT IT TEACHES. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/28/2003 11:00 PM | 3. And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4. Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, the border of wickedness, and, the people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever. | | | As I went back and read the messages, I saw this ^ and God showed me this> The LAW covenant of 10 commandments; the O.T. way of life; the old Jerusalem is what Jesus made DESOLATE. The message on the fall of the O.T. proves that this is what was made DESOLATE. So as I read the above verse, God showed me this:>> ESAU then is the people who raised back up that destroyed 7th head on the beast ~~~LAW. They rebuilt that which was made DESOLATE = THE LAW. They are the ones today who believe in still keeping commandments instead of living by FAITH. So the Jacobs that God loves are the ones who live by Grace, without law. The Esau which God hates are the ones who fall from Grace and go back to law. So it is necessary to read all of the Book, then we understand all these things and can teach in Love and Kindness in WARNING THEM TO FLEE THE WRATH TO COME. All those Scriptures I have given are just a tiny bit of the stuff in His Word or how his wrath and destruction is going to come upon the ones who are ESAU, or the wicked which GOD HATES. So judge righteous judgment >> is it a lack of love and kindness for me to teach them to flee and run to the Rock of Faith? How is this a lack of Love? How is it love to deeive them into thinking God loves them and how they are rejecting the N.T. of the blood of Jesus and returning back to the blood of bulls and goats by returning to law.? | | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/28/2003 11:20 PM | | Prov. 1:; 7. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction | | | Spiritwalker, you said "fear" is not of God but of the Devil. Now you cannot just throw out a word like 'fear' and teach a thing like that. Do you think the fear in that verse up there ^ is from the devil? I think not. Why would Satan give us the fear of the Lord which is the beginning of knowledge? Fools despise wisdom and instruction. Prov. 1: 29. For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:
30. They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
32. For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. Now this tells us that those who do not fear the Lord will be slain by their own ways. If I did not love you I would not be sitting here doing all of this 'thankless' work. I certainly do have other things I could and should be doing. But I want to help all of you find more truth. See, there are two different kinds of fear: the FEAR OF THE LORD. and the fear of man. I will prove this to you. The FEAR OF THE LORD is from God and will help save souls. The fear of man is of satan. Prov. 9: 10. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
11. For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased. By me''' the FEAR OF THE LORD, thy life shall be increased---do you want your life increased? Then fear the Lord and obey him. Eccl. 8: 12. Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:
13. But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he feareth not before God. Now this says that it will be well with them that Fear God. It will not be well with the wicked because he feareth not before God. This is why and how he is wicked--- he did not fear the Lord. He had no wisdom or knowledge. And of course you know there are PLENTY more Scriptures proving this; but I am not going to give any more. I will give you a little on the other fear. Prov. 29: 23. A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.
24. Whoso is partner with a thief hateth his own soul: he heareth cursing, and bewrayeth it not.
25. The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe. A man's pride shall bring him low --- what is this pride? Refusing to humble himself before God and accept HIS WORDS AND WAYS -- to repent and be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ and let him fill you with the baptism of the Holy Ghost ACCORDING TO THE BOOK OF ACTS. PRIDE KEEPS THEM FROM ACCEPTING SPEAKING IN TONGUES. v25.... the FEAR OF MAN bringeth a snare. So this is the fear which comes from satan; not the fear of God. | | p.s. I am telling you, this is some more deep and great teaching. I am sure paul and Peter would have agreed with us and upheld us as part of the witnesses they are part of. I am learning a lot here tonight, as I review all of this great truth being taught. Guess when others cannot prevail against us, they just run away and continue on in their deception. When truth is proven they just ignore it and keep on running after the idol, blind leaders they love so much. |
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| I am not offended in the least. And you should know me well enough after all this time to know I "fear" God. Also that I do not follow the "10". And you knew exactally what I meant by God and fear.... IITim. 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love and of a sound mind. I am pretty sure you knew that is the scripture I was referring to. But it went by the way side. I assume Larry W B is Isaiah and both of you know me pretty well. I have not changed. There is one thing that burned my spirit and it felt to me like satan was getting much more credit in this post that Jesus was. And calling it a "Love Story" flipped me. I have studied for years on the subject of satan and read many books on the subject. The occult is very popular today, witches, esp, talking to dead people, whatever.....my point, if I had a point, is satan does not deserve all of my thoughts. There was a time I was consumed with him and wanted to learn all I could about how he is affecting peoples' lives today and they don't even know it. I also want to spend time learning about God of course, and Jesus too. The Holy Spirit can guide me into truths. God can give me a revelation of truth. If people teach truth, I'll get it. Way back yonder a woman here said she'd see me in Heaven.....a man's wife I am supposed to meet up there too. Do you remember that? Have I changed? no....will I learn? I expect to learn until the day I die. You jumped all over me this time and I am not offended,,,,why? Because Jesus loves me and I know it. He walked and talked what He heard His Father say in Heaven. This gives me a very good clue of who God is. And I don't want thoughts put in my mind that I might me headed for hell. Doubt is not good....I have been reading about Adam for days now...every single day. Ezekiel, Job, Matthew, Rev., Genesis....answer this one for me...if Adam is satan...I am descended from Adam, the first man ever.....I have satan, the real satan in me? That is what it sounds like.Or I was born with it in me. whatever.....that is where I have a problem. Babies die at birth....they go to hell because Adam was satan? I don't believe that. But it's ok....I think someday we will all know the truths of everything as we are even also known. Love.......  | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/30/2003 12:09 PM | | Dear Spiritwalker, I have not meant to 'jump' all over you. I am only trying to help everyone I can to find more truth and love in God. I also do not give time to Satan. I do not like songs with him in it. I do not dwell on him. But I do believe we should be aware of what and who he is and be certain of knowing how to avoid dealing with him in our own thoughts. Remember how Peter was spiritual in one moment, and turned Satan in another? Jesus himself said so. We can do that too. We must be diligent and on the guard against him, as the Word said, for our ADVERSARY the devil walks about as a roaring lion seeking someone to DEVOUR. Now how does he devour us? with our own thoughts as we let him in by either reading, watching wrong things; or by letting our thoughts go to evil against someone, or false doctrine or anything which is not of God. Savoring the things of man is what Jesus said being Satan is. Now either you did not read my message on the cleansing or you have forgotten it. I taught there that when Jesus died on the cross and shed his holy blood, he cleansed the whole world, animals, people, everything. No, I said babies are born clean, and will go to heaven if they die then. Only when they grow up enough to let satan back into their thoughts, and refuse Jesus and holy things do they again pick back up that old first Adam nature, which IS SATAN. That is why it is so very important to teach and train children to love God and be Holy. People are sacrificying them to the devil in raising them to the things of the world. They do not stand much of a chance to come to know God; for God is not taught and honoured in the homes or schools, and they are sent out to play at church. It is a oneness trail of everyone in harmony to destroy all the babies in the world. It is the same thing Herod did. Kill the children. The word is full of this! Why do you think Jesus said we must kill or mortify the deeds of the BODY? why do you think he said we must die daily to our own selves and take up a cross and follow him? It is because our own human nature, first man Adam is SATAN. As in ADAM all die. Why Adam if he is not satan? It takes time for these kinds of truth to take root and grow because babylon did not teach the truth. And we all came out of Babylon. This is the very reason we have to cast down our own imaginations and let Christ dwell in our thoughts. I agree that we must not spend time on Satan; but to hide from the truth is not going to help us either. If you do not realize that your own carnal mind is satan and your enemy how are you going to know how to fight him, it? How do you fight Satan? Sure by prayer, and by studying the Word and by fasting, but all of this is for the purpose of casting down our own carnal mind. Adam's carnal mind was Satan. With this carnal mind he deceived Eve. She repented, he did not ever. That is why today she is called the mother of all LIVING. He is called the devil. Get rid of first man Adam. Is not this what the Word of God teaches? If not, show me what it does teach. The purpose of receiving the Holy Ghost, a spirit from God, is to give us the power to get rid of our own carnal minds; to cast Satan out of us. I love you. JO | |
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p.s. Now this one is truly a great lesson:
| From: joie | Sent: 8/30/2003 12:23 PM | | Look when we speak of first man Adam, the sinful nature, it is not saying this is our human body; not this flesh temple we live in. The body without the spirit is dead. It has no life of its own. The spirit is the life. So the spirit is the mind. When it says we have the MIND of CHIRST, it means his SPIRIT. See proof of this is the fact that you can be Spiritual, godly and holy in this same human body we were born with. So in view of this, it has to be the MIND of the person which determines if that person is Holy or Sinful. Jesus said nothing entering in at the mouth (what we eat or drink) can defile our body. He said the thoughts, that which comes OUT OF THE HEART, this is what defiles the body. So don't you see by this, that the thoughts of our own heart are what come OUT OF US? If Satan were a spirit outside of ourselves, then that would have to ENTER INTO US. But the truth of it is, it is inside us. Now I admit that Satan, (coming from the carnal thoughts of others) can enter into your MIND and defile you. That is why we should only look at, read, and think on Holy things. If you let others communicate unholy things to you, it will get into your own mind and defile you. But see that when we receive the Holy Ghost and a holy mind, we are still in the same human body? It is now a temple of the Holy Ghost. But if we defile that temple by letting carnality back in, God will destroy that temple. So see, the body can be either holy or defiled, it depends on which mind a person is in. Jesus said be ye holy in body and spirit. Be ye clean in both body and spirit. We can only do this by receiving a spiritual MIND. The MIND is where it is. Hope this helps. Jo, love to you. | |
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P.s. and this one is doubly good and instructive. Everyone needs to learn this in your battle for your soul.
| From: joie | Sent: 8/30/2003 12:33 PM | | This thing of the MIND is how Adam went from being a perfect son of God to being Satan. When God speaks to Adam in Gen. he is speaking to the spiritual man he created. But when he speaks to the serpent (Satan) he is speaking to the carnal mind in Adam. Just the same way Jesus speaks to Peter, then turns around and speaks to Satan in Peter. It is the same thing. This is how Jesus overcame all the time ---- he never let carnal thoughts take root or place in his mind. He kept a holy mind at all times. We can only do this as we think on the Word of God and let the things of God dwell richly in our own MINDS. If carnal thought come at you, cast them down by fighting them, praying, and getting our minds back on Holy things. The battle is inside our own selves! It is our own minds going back and forth from Spiritual to carnal and back to spiritual. It is a battle ground for sure. The battle is our own MIND. It is a full kingdom. Satan dwells all around us. But see that it is the carnal minds of others at work? As they give in completely to evil thoughts and do not try to live Godly, for they do not disire the Holy things, then they put out their own thoughts to others through means of t.v. books, movies, magazines, songs, words, and countless other ways. That is why it is important to 'EAT' only from the TREE OF LIFE = GOD'S WORDS OR THOUGHTS. If you feast on the things of the world, you will die. Those thoughts, (minds) are Satan. They will defile you. God bless you all as you struggle to learn this. We all have this battle going on inside ourselves. Let us encourage each other to Holiness. No one else is going to try to help us make it to Heaven. Jo | |
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