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Adam; Satan : Adam & Eve
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From: MSN NicknameTweety134  (Original Message)Sent: 8/12/2006 7:29 PM
Freeborn,
This is my first post about Adam & Eve. These are my own words. I hope you like it. Tweety
 
 

Creation of Adam & Eve

This message is my attempt to talk about the creation of Adam & Eve from the Bible.

Let us look at Gen. 1:26.

Gen 1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness; and let them have domination over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over everything that creepeth upon the earth.

Right here I think that I could write a whole paragraph on what this verse means to me. Let us look at this more closely. God was talking to others, that is the first thing that I see when I read this passage. How many other people? The scriptures do not say. But I think there was more than 1.  People say this is the Trinity. FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST. God said: "LET US". This would lead the reader of this passage to interpret that he was not alone when he said this. God does NOT talk to himself. So there had to be other people there that he talked to. It could be angels. But then again as I think upon this more. He would not have consulted with angels, since HE made angels not as powerful as HIM. I believe by this time Lucifer had been cast out of heaven long before this was said. We do not know much about what happened in heaven before Lucifer was kicked out of heaven. Lucifer was an angel of God, so He would not have consulted with Lucifer about the creation of man.

The other thing that I get from this one verse is that God was going to make man in HIS image. Yes. We have the same thing as God has. Body, Brains, Hands, Fingers, Feet, etc. But he is more powerful than us. He created us. We did not create HIM. For God to even suggest that we be made after His image and likeness shows the reader that he loved us so much even before we were created, that we were to look like HIM.

The next thing that I notice about this verse is we were chosen to have domination over the fish of the sea, over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over the whole earth, and everything that creepeth upon the earth. Just imagine before man was even created-God thought about what we were to have control over. Again, this shows God's love for us BEFORE MAN was created. He fell in love with us long before we came into being. What do you not see in this verse? Can you see it? God made us to have possession and domination over the sea, air, and animals that were NOT made yet upon this earth. God had already clearly thought out that we were above animals that had no inhabited this earth yet. We were a special creation. We were LIKE HIM in every way. But we DID NOT have domination over the heavens. That is God's territory. That is why we do not have power over the weather, or the changing of the seasons. God has always had domination and power over that. And that will never change. We have no domination over what is in heaven. Just this earth. And it also suggest that before we were created we were to have free will. But man would be obedient to HIM.

Gen 1:27: So God created man in His own image, in the image of God, created he him; male and female created he them.

God created man in His own image. Right there tells you that we are just like God when it comes to physical appearance. God alone made male and female in HIS image. So all that stuff about how man came to being, by apes long ago is utter nonsense. Science is just a way for man to disprove that God exist and everything he created on this earth, was made from something on this earth. We were made by GOD himself in Heaven.

Gen 1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it and have domination over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

This passage tells us alot. God blessed the man and women after He created them. He spoke to man & women directly. And from the moment that they were created they could reproduce. So that means that Adam and Eve were created adult like. You would not suspect that God would tell little children to fruitful and multiply? So, they could reproduce and have children right after they were created. Now this next passage in scripture tells me something. God told Adam & Eve to replenish the earth. Why would the earth need replenishing? And in the next sentence God says subdue the earth. Was earth when Adam & Eve were created a place that needed subduing? Why? In this passage, I will go on what DAKE says. That they earth was inhabited by sons  of god. They are the giants of the earth. Getting into that is a long story. The giants were he offspring of the angels and women that were cast out of heaven when Lucifer was thrown out. He was cast down upon the earth. I believe somewhere in scripture God said that Lucifer was suppose to be ruler over the earth, but he rebelled against God. Man was created to bring life back to earth. God had destroyed everything that was upon the earth. This is NOT Noah's flood. But Lucifer's flood. And he gave Lucifer's position to have domination over the earth to man. That is why he hates man so much. In his pursuit of continuing to defy God he will try and destroy us any way that he can.

Gen 1:29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

This verse also tells us that in the beginning that man and women were created, that they were only to eat herbs and fruit. You don't see in this verse where he says that man was to be eat meat of the animals. Only herbs, and fruit were to be meat and substance for Adam & Eve.

Gen 1:30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and everything that creepeth, upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given, every green herb for meat; and it is so.

In the beginning, God made the herbs of the earth for man and beast to eat. There was no meat eating for the beasts of the earth of fowls of the air. That is interesting. When did man want meat to eat?

 

 

 


 

 

 

 



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/13/2006 1:20 AM
Thank you, Tweety, for this message.  That is a very good start for us to discuss from.  I truly wish many more people would do as you are doing.  Then more would learn real truth and there would not be all the fighting and bickering and name calling from people who do not wish to study, but only to discredit everything someone says.
 
I enjoyed reading this.  I truly got a good laugh when you said that about them not being children.  That is funny and cute.
 
I do not know if you wish for me to take up my part of this discussion under yours, on your thread, or if you would prefer for me to start another thread.
 
You let me know.  If you wish to keep this thread just to post your messages on, then I will start another thread and move this.
 
But for now,  I will answer here.  Then you let me know if that is how you want to do this.
 
My very first admonition to you and everyone I deal with is this:  IT IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE NOT TO ADD THOUGHTS TO GOD'S WORD.
 
Do not take up some other man's word as truth, unless they give you Scripture,  SAYING WHAT THEY SAY.
 
This is the only safe grounds for studying God's Word.  If you add even one word to His, you make it wrong.  And if you take away even one word, you create a lie.  God hates this.
So be very careful about repeating things men say, without Scripture to prove it. 
 
Making up stuff is NOT the way to find truth.  (almost everything men teach was just made up stuff because they did not have the anointing teaching them,  and they refused to study enough to see into the truth.)
 
The one and only way to find truth is to find another Scripture which explains the one you are studying.  Everything in Scripture has another place in Scripture which CLEARLY EXPLAINS IT.  and it must not cross any other Scripture.  When you find truth, it will match the entire Word, all the way.  That is how I know for  sure this is the true Word of God and it is not mistranslated.  Nothing man messed with could be this perfect, as the KJV.
 
Until one finds the Scriptural answer, they do NOT HAVE THE TRUTH.
 
Now with all that said, I wish to show you several places in your message where you have done this.
As I have said to you before,  PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE AT ANY OF THIS.
 
It is not meant to insult you, rebuke you, or discredit you.  I see no reason for any of that.  You are an honest and sweet person.  I truly wish everyone in here had your attitude about studying the Word.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/13/2006 1:35 AM
 God was talking to others, that is the first thing that I see when I read this passage. How many other people? The scriptures do not say. But I think there was more than 1.  People say this is the Trinity. FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST. God said: "LET US". This would lead the reader of this passage to interpret that he was not alone when he said this. God does NOT talk to himself. So there had to be other people there that he talked to. It could be angels. But then again as I think upon this more. He would not have consulted with angels, since HE made angels not as powerful as HIM. I believe by this time Lucifer had been cast out of heaven long before this was said. We do not know much about what happened in heaven before Lucifer was kicked out of heaven. Lucifer was an angel of God, so He would not have consulted with Lucifer about the creation of man.[Tweety]

I will take this paragraph first.

If you had never heard of a trinity,   do you think that you have come up with that idea just from reading,  Let us make man in OUR likeness and OUR image?

Can you imagine never having heard a trinity teaching?  Blank that out of your mind for a minute if you can.  Then ponder,  would you have come up with the idea that God is a trinity from that statement?  I seriously doubt it!

Why would any person have read that and  thought,  God must be three persons?  Just doesn't add up, does it.  So then, where did that false idea come from?  The heathen.  They had  the trinity idol.  It has traveled down through time, for the heathen are the Israelites, the church, and most people today.  I can prove that, but will not for now.

Every false teaching and idea came from Adam's world.  Nothing is new this side of the flood.  It all existed there.  Adam started this false idol, trinity.

Let that go for now also.  It would take too much time and space for me to explain that now.  It will come to light, if you stay in this study long enough.  I hope you will.

God is a kingdom of innumerable members.  That is why Christ is his image.  Our human body is made up of innumerable members.  Just the cells in our body are beyond numbering.  Paul said, as the body is one body, yet many members, so is Christ.  Christ is the image of God.

So God is made up of  so many members, we could never imagine them.  If one God  can be thought of as three person,  why not zillions?  God never made one thing in nature to show a God of just 1  or just 3, now did he?  If so, what?

If cats are of so many,  dogs are of so many,  bugs innumerable,  flowers unknowable,  grasses innumerable, birds beyond our minds,  then why would God be just 1 or just 3?  Think on this.

Now let me ask you,  what Scripture told you or anyone else that Lucifer was an angel?  I want to read that verse.  What makes you think Lucifer had already been kicked out of heaven before man was created?  where did you get that?  what verse?

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/13/2006 1:43 AM
The other thing that I get from this one verse is that God was going to make man in HIS image. Yes. We have the same thing as God has. Body, Brains, Hands, Fingers, Feet, etc. But he is more powerful than us. He created us. We did not create HIM. For God to even suggest that we be made after His image and likeness shows the reader that he loved us so much even before we were created, that we were to look like HIM [Tweety]

<NOBR>Ro 8:3</NOBR> For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


Was Jesus in the image of God when he was on this earth?  No.      This said he was in the likeness of sinful flesh.

So was the first man in the image of God, or the likeness of sinful flesh?  Do you think we are in the image of God now?

No we are not.  We are the image of sinful man.  Jesus said in Psalms,  I will be satisfied when I awake (resurrection)  in thy likeness. 
<NOBR>Ps 17:15</NOBR> As for me, I will behold THY face IN righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I AWAKE, with THY LIKENESS.


Jesus was NOT in the likeness of God until his resurrection.

So now I am giving you something to study and think about.  Mediatating is a great tool for learning the Word.

Another thing,  Jesus said that God is a spirit.  So are we spirit?  How do we know that a spirit has human features?


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From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 8/13/2006 1:59 AM
Freeborn
I kinda get where you are coming from. But it was taught to me that way. That is what people believe. Father, Son, Holy Ghost. Like God said: There is no one before me or after me. There is no one greater than HIM. If God was truly one-then the passage could read "I will make man in my image". It is just that one word "Our image" that suggested that there was more than one being with God when he said this. That is what I get when I read that passage. It is hard to imagine that God makes many beings of God. (did I understand your message clearly?) Please correct me if I am wrong. Where did I get my statement about Lucifer being cast out of heaven before man was made? The events that happened in the Garden of Eden.
We will go over this in my next post. I am glad that you liked it. Tweety.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/13/2006 2:06 AM
Who is Genesis one really speaking of?  It is NOT first-man Adam (human flesh).  It is second man Adam, Jesus Christ, the risen son of God.  Proof:
 

Col. 1: 18. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Now this says that Jesus is the beginning-- so In the BEGINNING (in Jesus) was the Word. This shows that Jesus himself is the beginning; so the Word was in Jesus, for Jesus is the beginning. The beginning of what? The firstborn from the dead = the resurrection; = a new creation, the Creation of God--Gen. 1.

 --Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

Now don’t you see that Col. 1:18 said Jesus was the FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD -- AND THAT REV. 1: 5 SAYS THAT HE WAS THE FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD?

So this is the first one of the new creation of making a man in God’s likeness and him image. Jesus is now the image of the invisible God. It started at his resurrection just as Paul declared in Romans 1:1. Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2. (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the Holy Scriptures,)

3. Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4. And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

See? Son of David after the flesh = his earthly, human life. Then the Son of God after the resurrection when He was given all power in Heaven and Earth and set at God’s right hand

<NOBR>Isa 46:9</NOBR> Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
<NOBR>Isa 46:10</NOBR> Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
<NOBR>Isa 46:11</NOBR> Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.


God declared the END from the beginning.  Jesus was the man in the likeness and image of God, in Gen. one.  This is the one given total dominion over this earth.  He is the one with life in himself.

Chapter one and two of Genesis are not the same creation.  They are two different worlds.  They do not match in any kind of way.  Everything in chapter one was and still is GOOD.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/13/2006 2:17 AM
Tweety,  that is what I was taught also.  But God told me different.
Now, God is a word like  'you'.  You can mean just 1, or it can mean any number of beings.  Right?
 
God can be singular, or plural  = any number.  God is A KINGDOM.  This kingdom is made up of innumerable beings,  ALL THE VERY SAME IN POWER, GLORY, LOVE, HARMONY, AND PERFECTION.
 
they are ONE.  Now this is much more than any person can imagine.  Being ONE means EQUALS.  It mean loving so much no one is jealous of the other.  This was part of the fall from the garden,  jealousy.
 
Theirs is a perfect world of loving each as the other, no fighting, no differing so far as one wants to go one way and another defies that choice.  It is so beautiful.  That is the perfection they want humans to come to.
 
Jesus prayed that we would all be ONE   AS  they are one. (do you think he means for all humans to merge into just 1 person?or 3 people?)
 That is their purpose for humans.  We are so far from that now,  there is not even an idea about it.  God showed me this in visions and then proved it to me by the Word.  It is so BEAUTIFUL.
 
I have a message I wrote called MY Beautiful God.  It is wonderful, from that vision.
 
I wish I could tell you how God first showed me this truth about Him Being many members, and not just 1 or 3.  No, God is great.  He is more than we are.  We are many members.  So is God.  Can you imagine our world, of humans,  just being 1 or 3 people forever?
 
Why do men imagine God to be 'inferior' to us?

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/13/2006 2:38 AM
God told Adam & Eve to replenish the earth. Why would the earth need replenishing? And in the next sentence God says subdue the earth. Was earth when Adam & Eve were created a place that needed subduing? Why? In this passage, I will go on what DAKE says. That they earth was inhabited by sons  of god. They are the giants of the earth. Getting into that is a long story. The giants were he offspring of the angels and women that were cast out of heaven when Lucifer was thrown out. He was cast down upon the earth. I believe somewhere in scripture God said that Lucifer was suppose to be ruler over the earth, but he rebelled against God. Man was created to bring life back to earth. God had destroyed everything that was upon the earth. This is NOT Noah's flood. But Lucifer's flood. And he gave Lucifer's position to have domination over the earth to man. That is why he hates man so much. In his pursuit of continuing to defy God he will try and destroy us any way that he can. [Tweety]

Hey, If I go too fast for you,  just tell me to slow down.  I do not want to confuse you by giving too much right now.  But I want to address all of your message and be ready for your next installment.  OK?

Now, to show you the 'fallacy' of the above statements from Dakes: You have stated that Lucifer was cast out of heaven BEFORE  man and woman were made, right?

Then you said the giants were offspring of angels and women before they were cast out of heaven.  So my question is this:  who were those women?  How were they having children by angels, before women were made?  See, this cannot be the truth.  Man made this up.  There is not one verse of Scripture stating that angels ever mated with women.  It is just not true.

Jesus said in the resurrection, we will be equal to the angels,  who neither marry nor are given in marriage.  I judge from this statement that angels are sexless creatures.  I do not believe angels could mix with humans and have children.  This is barbaric to me.

Do you have a Scripture stating this?  Did Dake or anyone else who teaches this  lie  ever give a Scripture proving it?  Where did God declare angels to be sons of God?

In Hebrews one,  it said,  to which of the angels did God ever say thou art my son.  ever read that?  Where is any mention of any 'Lucifer's flood?'  That is foreign to me.

When you see how much of this teaching is void of any Scripture, then you can see how man just imagined stuff because they know not the WORD OF GOD.

Jesus and his bride are the man and woman in Gen one.   We are to replenish the earth with people in God's likeness and image.  That will be accomplished at our resurrection!  Glory.  We labour now to bring those children of God forth  = our inner man, our manchild,  coming forth at the resurrection  in the image of God's dear Son, Jesus Christ.

Sister,  the TRUTH IS SO MUCH MORE GLORIOUS THAN ALL OF MAN'S LIES!

AMEN.  And I do thank God for you.  You are a wonderful person, able to study the word rightly, without mallace.

Jo


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/13/2006 2:47 AM
Chapter one is describing the perfection of the kingdom of Jesus when He sets it up.  Remember, God declared the END FROM THE BEGINNING.
 
God is still working on that world.  It is not finished yet.  Well in a sense it was finished at Calvary.  But in actuality of being done, it is still yet to be.
 
Jesus said nothing would hurt or destroy in all his holy mountain.  No animal will then eat another.  They were not created to do this.
Adam, the true ruler of this earth, and still is,  was anointed by the  Almighty God and given God-like powers.  This was Adam.  He is that beautiful CHERUB in Eze. 28.  He was something much more than we are today.
 
He had the power to rule this earth.  He is still ruling it today.  He had the power to change those animals and people, and turn them into EVIL.  he did that very thing.
 
Adam began eating animals in the Garden, for he started the animal sacrifices there.  That is how he set himself up as god.
He set up law right there.  Law has never been of God.
Animal sacrifices have never been of God.  They are of Adam, Satan.  Lucifer.  All one and the same.
 
That is why men are mixed up on this Lucifer thing.  The think that Cherub means an angel.  But it does not.  I can prove that also.
have it in messages already written up.
They think Lucifer and adam are different, so they cannot bring it together.
God has NEVER GIVEN THE POWER TO RULE THIS EARTH TO ANYONE EXCEPT HIS TWO SONS,  ADAM, AND JESUS.
Now that is the TRUTH.  Adam is still ruling.  Else there would be peace and not war.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/13/2006 3:07 AM
Tweety,  How about starting another thread when you post your next message.  Then our answers will stay visible for longer.
 
and we will have a different study on each part you bring up.  That way you and others can turn to either thread and get a complete study.  I think that would work better.
 
and thanks for starting this study.  I have begged other to do this,  take it a bit at a time and study it out.  None of them will do this.  I have repeatedly asked for anyone to show me one verse stating that Adam was ever righteous in any kind of way.  They cannot do it,  yet they still accuse me of lying about adam.
 
Until someone can show that God ever attributed righteousness to Adam,  I hold that he was evil and died evil.
 
I think they are actually afraid of the truth they would find.
 
I love the truth.  Only a love for truth will save anyone.
 
Love ye,
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 8/20/2006 6:34 PM

Stephen,  there is no Scripture stating that God killed an animal of any kind and got their skin and clothed Adam and Eve with the animal skin.

Go in grace.  another thing,  they are still trying to accuse God of killing an animal and putting its skin on Adam and Eve.

 

Stephen,

The scripture that Freeborn is referring to is Gen 3:21. I read this last night on my way to New Jersey. I always carry my Bible with me now. When you read this scripture, that question does come to mind on where did God get the skin from to cloth Adam & Eve after they sinned to cover themselves of their nakedness?  It is not stated in any surrounding verse where God got the animal skins from. But Dake says something different about this. Which in reading it has me confused. Another thing has come to mind when I read about the account of Adam & Eve. When Adam & Eve were created-and they were made after the image of God-then they were spiritual beings? And then after they sinned they became flesh (like us)?

 

This is what Dake says about that verse Gen 3:21.

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

NOTES from Dake for GEN 3:21-

From animals that God had taught Adam to offer as sacrifices in looking forward to the promised REDEEMER.

That is what threw me for a loop. I have not read any scripture where God taught Adam to offer animal sacrifices.

Dake then says go to Gen 4:1-7. (Which is all about Cain) & Heb 9:22.

Could somebody please explain to me how all of this ties into Gen 3:21?  Tweety


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/20/2006 6:53 PM
Dear Tweety,
 
yes dear,  I can and have explained all of this.  I have trouble finding the right messages to copy from, so usually end up typing the same stuff over and over.
 
Now God never told Adam to kill and offer any animals to him.  In fact God never required this from anyone.  In fact, God hated this thing, always.
 
So God himself most certainly DID NOT KILL ONE OF HIS CREATURES AND TAKE THEIR SKIN TO PUT ON   ADAM AND Eve.
 
This is the carnal minds of men,  going solely on what was handed down to them from other carnal minds, have given out as the Word of God.  They had no revelation from the  Spirit of God.  They did not have the Spirit or anointing teaching them.  They did not compare Scripture with Scripture.
 
In the first place, the nakedness it is speaking of is not of the body not having on external clothes.  It is the very same nakedness of the church Laodicia.  They are spiritually naked.
 
This is why you need to learn the real truth about the anointed cherub in Eze. 28.
that was Adam in his original glorfied state.  That glory is the clothes which Adam lost.  It is the righteousness of God.  Remember God said in Rev. for us to put on that white robe, which is righteousness.  We are clothed with the glory of God.
It is totally spiritual.  That does not mean it did not happen.  It means you must understand it from a spiritual standpoint.
 
When God drove them out of the Garden, then they became mortal beings in this dust human body we are now in.  THAT DEAR PEOPLE is the coats of SKIN  God placed on them.
 
It means they were naked from the righeousness of God and had lost their original state of glorification.
 
They now became mortal beings, with death working in their bodies.  Before that, they had no death working in them. They would have lived forever, if they had not sinned.
 
God never taught Adam to kill animals and sacrifice them.  In fact, He forbid this.  In Hebrews we are taught that God NEVER AT ANY TIME accepted or had pleasure in the blood of animals.  The only sacrifice God has ever accepted or required, is the death of Jesus.
 
God never said at any time that He put animal skin on his children.  He put mortal skin on us.  It is truly that simple.
 
God bless you,  go with God.  Keep questioning.  That is the way to learn. I will give you some Scriptrue for all of this next.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/20/2006 7:06 PM
<NOBR>Heb 9:22</NOBR> And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

<NOBR>Heb 9:20</NOBR> Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

<NOBR>Heb 9:18</NOBR> Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

<NOBR>Heb 7:19</NOBR> For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

<NOBR>Heb 10:4</NOBR> For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


See that the blood of animals sanctified that first or old covenant.  But it could never take away sins.

See also that is was by LAW that these  animal sacrifices were offered.  and that is why to go back to LAW is to put yourself back under that first or old covenant, which God did away with.  The blood of animals sanctified that old or first covenant.  God said.  So if you go back to law, you are under the blood of animals.  people just do not wish to see this.

 

They think they can do the works of law, and still have grace, or the blood of Jesus.  It is impossible.  They are trying to make God sanctify this first or law covenant with the blood of Jesus.  He did not, and he will not.

So there is no salvation under this law covenant.  God  told Adam NOT TO PARTAKE OF THIS LAW,  FOR IT IS THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.

SO this proves that God FORBADE Adam to kill an animal.  But he did.  This was his sin.  He rebelled against Grace, which brings us under the blood of Jesus.

Abel never offered an animal to God. Abel was in grace.  His offering was the saints whom he had fed the  Word of God to.

cain, being under that law, is the one who offered animal blood to God.  God rejected this and Cain.

See how men have turned it around backwards, through their ignorance and rebellion against TRUTH.

JO


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 Message 14 of 15 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/20/2006 7:23 PM
those people in their original state were the heavens.  We are now called the heavens.  It is the true people of God.
 
Now here is Scripture on how God clothed them.
<NOBR>Isa 50:3</NOBR> I clothe the heavens with blackness, and I make sackcloth their covering.

Sackcloth is a  word for this human, dust flesh.  It is mortality.  This is the clothes God placed on fallen man.

<NOBR>Lam 1:6</NOBR> And from the daughter of Zion all her beauty is departed: her princes are become like harts that find no pasture, and they are gone without strength before the pursuer.


In Scripture 'beauty' often refers to glorification.  that is what is meant here.  Zion is speaking of those original cherubs, still under that anointing of God.

See that when she fell, her beauty departed.

<NOBR>La 1:8</NOBR> Jerusalem hath grievously sinned; therefore she is removed: all that honoured her despise her, because they have seen her nakedness: yea, she sigheth, and turneth backward.


Jerusalem is also used to represent God's people from the beginning to the last. New Jerusalem is the perfect new earth and heaven.

See when she sinned, she turned BACKWARD.  This refers to leaving grace and going into law.  See then that her NAKEDNESS was seen.

Everyone under law is NAKED and undone.  They lost their glory, grace.  He clothed us with beauty or his mercy or righteousness.

<NOBR>La 2:1</NOBR> How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!


That cloud was this mortal flesh.  see that God cast them down from heaven unto the earth.  this means they were cast out of Eden, that heavenly place, out into the outercourts, mortal flesh.

<NOBR>La 4:2</NOBR> The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!


This is also speaking of the change from that original cherub state, to this mortal state.  See originally they compared to find gold,  but now as earthen pitchers.>?

If you read Lam. one,  it is showing exactly what happened to Adam and His kingdom.  Lam three is about Jesus Christ.

Now here is the solid proof:

<NOBR>La 4:7</NOBR> Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:
<NOBR>La 4:8</NOBR> Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.


The 'her' here is that  kingdom in the Garden of Eden.  See the description.  It matches what is said in Eze. 28.  But then look at them after their change. v8.

All these things in God's Word teaches us what went on with Adam and then with Jesus.  Every bit of the Word.  Every word of the word.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/20/2006 8:34 PM
<NOBR>Lam 2:1</NOBR> How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!


Somebody, tell me how the Lord cast the beauty of ISRAEL    DOWN  FROM  HEAVEN?

How many did God  CAST  DOWN  FROM HEAVEN?

How and when did He cast Israel down from heaven?


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