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Oh Lord! Maybe I should go back and just show Beffers about this Sabbath thing. Do you see what he says? I need to go back. He must stop thinking that keeping is Sabbath is what God wants. Why me? Did he only bring up the subject because he knew nobody would challenge him on this? I think I will leave it alone. He is the one in error of his ways. Why should I correct him? He would not listen anyway. Tweety

From: Beffers

Sent: 5/31/2008 4:56 PM

I don't think you can prove that the fulfilled sabbath that we are to keep holy is any particular day of the week. I challenge you to defend your statement in debate or retract it.

LOL!! Oh Kiki such a response. Instead of making demands why don't you explain to this community how you (Kiki) have the authority to tell God that you can make holy a day He didn't? The Lord sanctified the 7th day. I challenge you to show us where He sanctified any other day and that you have the right to pick anyone you want. Or did I (and WOG) hit a nerve saying you are your own god by picking and choosing according to your own fancy? No ma'am, the burden of proof is on you to show us "any" day will suffice when God specifically said the 7th.

I truly do not think that you practice the Sabbath, like the Jews do.

Correct Joie, I mean Tweety. The Jews have established 600+ rules that have totally defamed the Sabbath and made it a burden upon God's people. When correctly understood, the Sabbath is a huge blessing and brings peace and tranquility to the soul through Jesus.

Therefore for you to throw the OT Sabbaths at me is useless.

I could be as straight forward and precise and give you many Scripture on the subject and it wouldn't matter. Joie has made up your mind and nothing will change it. Yes, it would be useless.

You do not practice them anyway. And plus GOD had grown to hate the Jewish Sabbath. So if GOD hates them, why do something that GOD hates. Tweety

Show me where God hates the 7th day Sabbath when He specifically calls it "My holy day?" And please, for the sake of discussion, specifically refute what I say and no more talking points please.

Sorry Jo, I was talking about Zerubabbel.

Oh, OK, Bro Bryan. That is who I was talking about too. Did not realize he had been a member with you. If it is the same one, he is truly dangerous to our groups. (hope he has learned a lesson and will stop doing that kind of evil.)

I have done it now.... What shall I do? How long must I refute the doctrine of DEVILS? Tweety

From: Beffers in response to Message 1

Sent: 6/15/2008 11:36 AM

I mean really Beffers, you believe in a women that clearly did not know the scriptures, and you follow her. And I follow a man that knows the scriptures. Just because you tend to believe in a women who thought she was better than a prophet, just shows me that you have been mislead by an organization that believes lies. Nothing that I have seen of what she has said is in the Bible. You defend her like I defend Dake. But Dake is truthful. If it is not in the KJV scriptures-it is false. And alot of what Ellen White said is downright false.

I challenge you to show anything she ever said that was anti-Christ or did not draw people to Christ. Take your time. Now, you've posted some quotes of hers that were taken completely out of context and you didn't even know it. Why? Because all you did was copy these quotes from an anti-SDA site who are just as guilty of blind bias without knowing the facts behind what they print. And to be very frank, I don't believe you have any intention on wanting to know the facts because, as you've previously shown this forum, you aren't interested in learning truth but would rather follow your own beliefs blindly while ignoring facts that are presented against your acusations. I took a short trip over to your mentor's forum (ie. Joie) and found that you posted things against White that I have shown were blatantly wrong and worse yet you posted with a devilish and Satanic intent. If you were any sort of real truth seeker, and really cared about facts, instead of posting the same garbage about White that was refuted and explained, you would be saying "Oh, I didn't know that. Sorry!" Instead, you have wilfully lead another to believe your lies that were already refuted. So don't ever tell this forum you are interested in truth because I can now say with all confidence "you are a liar." You yourself have proved it.

What I find funny is that here you have two women Joie and EG. White, the first who makes claims of God speaking to her in words and dreams, has once said a spirit (or something similar) actually stood before her speaking as a normal person would speak to another, with NO ONE to substantiate her claims, and the other (EG. White) who has hundreds of witnesses to her visions (and never claimed to hear God's voice audibly), who is one of the worlds most prolific female authors, who wrote about health, education, history and prophecy, who has written and published more books, and in more languages, which circulate to a greater extent than the written works of any woman author in history, who has written more than 60 books, 60,000 pages of manuscripts, over 200 tracts and pamphlets, containing over 6,000 typewritten pages, more than 4,600 periodicals, is the 4th most translated writer in the world, being published in more than 100 languages, who's work is still read today by millions of non-SDA's all over the world. Her literary work output was more than 100,000 pages, a total of more than 1,000,000 words, ALL HANDWRITTEN. All with only a 3rd grade education,

That is just the author side of her. The spiritual side is even more impressive. She has had almost two thousand visions which she penned for all to read, and have inspired millions of people to seek Christ and His salvation. Her most famous book, "Steps to Christ" is the most circulated of her works and is read by people of ALL faiths. Not one person was ever led away from Christ who read her works. Not one of her visions has ever caused anyone to seek her instead of God. You made an accusation that she presented herself as an equal of God. PROVE THIS!!!

...and you would rather believe Joie. Heck Tweety, Joie can't even get the doctrine of "hell" Scripturally right. She believes the Catholic/pagan version. LOL!! She believes the Catholic/pagan version of "death." She even has a different rendition of the "Sanctuary" service as given to Israel by God Himself and practiced by them for 2000+ years. Can you imagine? The Jews had it all wrong according to Joie. LOL!! And I could go on. And this person you deem more worthy than White.

I'll tell you what, let's do this, let's see which prophet stands the test. Joie or White! That would be interesting.

I do not treat White as my Savior, nor do I believe her work to be equal to or greater than the Scriptures. Less than 1% of SDA's do. They (Scriptures) are the ultimate final authority. She is an inspiration and her work has led me to many convictions by the Spirit. Doctrinally speaking, it is all from Scripture and the interpretations thereof. Not from White. Her work was profoundly prophetical in nature and NOT doctrinal in nature. As she has claimed many times, she is "the lesser light pointing to the greater light." So next time when you want to accuse, Get the facts right!!!!

She claims that Jesus would come back in 1844.

She never made such a claim. You are in error. It was William Miller. And the evidence shows that even Miller didn't give a precise date but through study believed it would be "around" that year. (Memoirs of William Miller 329). It is obvious Tweety that with the accusations you've made to this point you don't know what you're talking about. You are slinging mud hoping some of it will stick. Is that worthy of one who claims to be a follower of Christ? Not in my book!

Beffers is such a liar and so carnal minded, that he knows nothing at all about spiritual things. He knows nothing about 'hearing' God's voice.

He has claimed over and over that I have said that I heard the voice of God on my 'ear drums'. I have never made that statement. I have always made it clear that I head his voice in the SPIRIT. And that is just as sure and real, to me. as if I did hear it in my ear drum. That is only natural. The other is SPIRITUAL

But it is SURE. It proves to me that HE has never heard the voice of God, in either manner.

He is totally deceived by a false teacher, claiming over 2,000 visions, which he claims were witnessed by others. I say this is an outright lie.

Her so-called 'visions' and 'voices' never led her into TRUTH, so they were not of God.

They have only led her and millions of others, back into the bondage of an OT Law, which was never chosen by God. It was punishment for their sins, as was Adam's ruling over Eve. It was NEVER GOD'S WAY OR GOD'S WILL.

Both were DEATH. So E White has led them into DEATH.

Paul certainly knew more truth and more about God than this false teacher did. Paul made it crystal clear that anyone who goes back to law, has no salvation or faith, or righteousness. To claim righteousness by law is saying that Jesus died in vain.

On the other hand, the visions and 'voices' from God, to me, has led me into deeper and deeper truth of God, which fits ALL OF GOD'S WORD, NOT JUST A FEW VERSES.

It does NOT CROSS any other Scripture.

How could even the dumbest of people, not see through this deception.....that we now must go back to OT Law and count certain foods as UNCLEAN.....when the NT, by Paul and Jesus, clearly states that nothing which goes into the body, by the mouth, can DEFILE A PERSON. Paul said nothing is to be refused, for it is sanctified by prayer and thanksgiving.

This one thing ALONE proves that White's leader, led her into error. She is here calling Jesus Christ himself a LIE, WHEN SHE TEACHES THAT EATING CERTAIN FOODS DEFILES A PERSON.

The dumbest person in this world should be able to see which one of us has that right.

Another lie which Beffers is making up, against me and the working of God in my life, claiming things of which he knows not one single thing.....he claims that no one witnessed my visions. that is an outright LIE.

The vision, where I saw Jesus hanging on the cross, and me knealing at the foot of the cross, with other women, crying and looking up at him, and he looked down at me in Heaven's love, was not only witnessed by at least 25 other people, but all of the adults in this home-prayer meeting, that night, also had visions of Jesus, at the same time I was having my vision.

We were all kneeling and praying. After we rose up and I told them of my vision, they all told the visions they had had.

At the church where some women and I used to go and pray, when I saw the angel standing at my feet, after the prayer was over, and I told it, they all had also seen angels near them.

The night I saw the death angel, coming at me, was witnessed by at least a dozen other women. They were there as the speaking in tongues came from me, and the interpretation, that someone I loved dearly would soon die. Three nights later, an uncle, whom I loved dearly, an aunt, were both killed in a violent head-on collision. In this same wreck, another aunt was hurt, as was all the others in that car. A cousin, the son of the man who was killed, was hurt so much that he still suffers today from that injury, back in 1972.

I had told several of that message and it came to pass three nights later. Except for this visit from the angel, and the message in tongues with interpretation, coming from ME, I would have been with them that night. God spared me with that holy visit. It was witnessed by several others, who knew the prophecy and that it came to pass exactly as told.

and I could go on and one with these things. I have held them back, giving place mostly to teaching the Scriptures as God gives me understanding, and not wanting to point anything toward myself.

Seems I was wrong to do this.

In other prayer meetings, as I was given visions on several different occasions, of a horrible darkness, with people running the streets, in fear, arms, legs, and other body parts flying around...many people killed and hurt. These visions came many different times. I told the people that God showed me a horrible thing is going to occur in America like this.

You all know it took place on Sept. 11. many years after my visions, back in 1971.

So see, Beffers, you are totally wrong. Everything I have witnessed, except a few times, was witnessed by others. They KNOW THESE THINGS CAME TO PASS JUST AS TOLD TO ME.

I felt a short while ago that I needed to write up some more of the wonderful things God has done in my life, but seems I just do not have time for it.

I have never wanted to point to these things too much. Seems that is a wrong thing to do. Seems people need to have proof that God does deal with you and in your life. I just wanted people to come to the true understanding of Scripture.

Many, many spiritual dreams have been given to me, and came to pass, just as given. I could never remember them all. and I certainly do not have time to write that much stuff up.

But one in particular I will tell about, (not write the dream out, too long.).

I used to have many spiritual, prophetical dreams. Sometimes I knew they were that and sometimes I did not know.

It was one of those I did not even think of as being spiritual. We were still having home prayer-meetings. I dreamed we were in a dark green room, ookie looking color. In this building we found a pair of old men's boots, and several other items, which I named then, as I told the dream to some of the friends who were in the prayer group.

I had forgotten this dream. Then one day, we were cleaning out an old store building, across from my home, which we had rented to start having our meetings in. As we worked, one of the ladies in the group, said to me, Jo, this is that dream you had. At first I did not know which one she meant.

She reminded me of the one of the old green building. This store building was that same old ugly green color. It was a very old building, which had been deserted a long time.

In it, we found the old boots, and every single item which I had named in the dream. It came to pass EXACTLY as dreamed, down to the last detail.

I would never have even realized it if I had not told them that dream and she remembered it, realizing that we were doing exactly what it told.

We had a wonderful prayer and study place in that old building . God greatly visited us there. It was in this old building, and I was alone this time, that the angel or some holy visitor came to me so strongly, that it scared me. He let me know that I was fixing to see him with my natural eyes, and hear him with my natural ears.

It frightened me so badly, that I acted foolishly, wishing I could go through a crack in the floor. He left when I thought that. I still to this day regret this error in actions. But it was so strong and powerful.....I was still young.

Wish he would come to me like that again some day.

Beffers, I know you read here, so I am asking you to tell us what prophecies Ellen White gave which you know came to pass as told.

Chap. 29 - The Sabbath: Guiding Principles in Sabbath Obervance
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The Sabbath a Sign to the World of Loyalty.-- From the pillar of cloud Jesus "spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you" (Ex. 31:12, 13). The Sabbath is a pledge given by God to man--a sign of the relation existing between the Creator and His created beings. By observing the memorial of the creation of the world in six days and the rest of the Creator on the seventh day, by keeping the Sabbath holy, according to His directions, the Israelites were to declare to the world their loyalty to the only true and living God, the Sovereign of the universe. {3SM 256.1}

She pukes lies from the very beginning...The Sabbath is a Sign to the WORLD of Loyalty.. My question is: Why should Sabbath Keepers prove their loyalty to to the WORLD and not be obedient to the what GOD says? Did not God say to the people of Israel:

Exodus 19:5 (KJV)
^19:5Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

For She-Devil not to read Exodus, and assume that the Sabbath was made for all people. She is has been sadly mislead. So that is the first proof that she is being lead by the Devil himself. For the covenant was made between GOD and the people of Israel. For her to think that the covenant was made for all people, is a lie of the Devil. I guess Satan led her to believe that too. So we will move on and examine the next statement of from the SHE-DEVIL:

From the pillar of cloud Jesus "spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you" (Ex. 31:12, 13).

Let us back up for a minute. When was the word "rested" first in scripture? Let us see:

Genesis 2:2-3 (KJV)
^2:2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
³And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So you see above GOD ended his work on the seventh day. Which we do not know what day that was. And I will not tolerate somebody coming to me, saying they know how and when it happened. For I will know that is a lie from one of Satan's messengers. And will be false. Back to what the SHE-Devil said. I see another lie. For we need to back up to Exodus 16:23-27. Which she has failed to even mention. But I forgot. She-Devils do not read the Bible.

Exodus 16:22-27 (KJV)
^16:22And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
²³And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
²⁴And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
²⁵And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
²⁶Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
²⁷And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.

Now I understand why She-Devil did not put this in. For the people of Israel had sinned. They disobeyed what God had said. And She-Devil did not want people to know that a Sabbath was ever broken. Oh My-the truth in the SHE-DEVIL would most certainly be exposed. And she would not want that. Too many people to deceive. I want to put the next verse in, and I want you to keep it in the back of your mind.

Exodus 16:29 (KJV)
^16:29See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

On to the scriptures that the SHE-Devil twisted.

Exodus 31:12-18 (KJV)
^31:12And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
¹³Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
¹⁴Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
¹⁵Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
¹⁶Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
¹⁷It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
¹⁸And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

First of all it was NOT Jesus that spoke to Moses in the above scriptures. I do not know how she came to that conclusion. For I know that the 7th Day Adventist, believe in the Trinity. For someone, not to realize that this is GOD the FATHER speaking, is beyond me. Maybe somebody told her wrong. She is clearly leaving out scripture in her elaborate story. First I want to point out that Moses was commanded by GOD the FATHER to speak to the children of Israel. Now this is very important because we all know from reading the Bible that the people of Israel were lead out of Egypt, by Moses. Now for the She-Devil, to believe that this covenant was made for all the people of the world. She is very mistaken. And is clearly a twisting of scripture. Because if we look at verse 16, you will see GOD saying again that the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath. And to observe it throughout their generations. And so, it was for the children of Israel only and no other kind of people. For if this covenant was for all the people of the earth, do you not think that GOD would have said so to Moses? Clearly the She-Devil would have known this, if she had truly searched scriptures as Jesus said (JN 5:39). *Clearly, this command was strictly for the people Israel only, NOT Gentiles, nor the New Testament Church. There are 4 times that the Sabbath is spoken of a a sign between GOD the FATHER and Israel.

1. Exodus 31:13 (KJV)
^31:13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

2. Exodus 31:17 (KJV)
^31:17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

3. Ezekiel 20:12 (KJV)
^20:12Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

4. Ezekiel 20:19-20 (KJV)
^20:19I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
²⁰And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

The Sabbaths are stated 4 times above, clearly indicating who is was for which was between GOD and Israel. Sabbaths were never a sign between God and the Gentiles, neither was it never between God and the Church. And if you think you can prove me wrong on this statement-just go right ahead. It will be a lie. If the truth should be ever told. Look to the scriptures and see. They tell you the truth. NOT some SHE-Devil, that had her own ideas. Let us continue to see what the SHE-Devil is puking out in the next deranged passage.

By observing the true Sabbath Christians are ever to bear to the world faithful witness of their knowledge of the true and living God as distinguished from all false gods, for the Lord of the Sabbath is the Creator of the heavens and the earth, the One exalted above all other gods. {3SM 256.2}

Ok? Who says that the Sabbath that commanded in the above verses are not the true Sabbaths? I guess SHE-DEVIL did not think GOD Himself did a good job and had to change the meaning of the Sabbath, when GOD clearly said above it is a covenant between GOD and Israel 4 times in scripture? And who says it was for the Christians? I guess, when one thinks that they are GOD, they can chage anything. Clearly SHE-DEVIL thought this by NOT going by GOD's WORD.

"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you. . . . Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord:

This above is clear evidence that the SHE-DEVIL took from parts of many scriptures to prove a point. Which I personally would not do. But when you are trying to fool as many people as you can, you will do anything. I guess she could not bear what was in the surrounding scriptures. We see where SHE Devil took one part of a verse from Ex. 31:14. and left the next part of it in her deranged teachings. So we will look at what the next verse was. "every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people". I wonder if She-Devil tried to explain what this verse meant. Or did she use it to enforce strict adherence of her deranged teachings? Never mind. I take that back. She devil dropped it down to the next line. But my statement must be stressed that this is NOT for CHRISTIANS. AS YOU CAN SEE IT WAS FOR THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL ONLY. FOR ANYONE TO ASSUME THIS IS A LIAR!
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whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed" (verses 14-17).-- Manuscript 122, 1901. {3SM 256.3}

Speaking of the command from GOD, when he said in Ex. 31:14.

¹⁴Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Let us see if SHE-DEVIL defiled the SABBATH. For it does say in the above scriptures, "that whosoever doeth any work therin, that soul shall be cut off from his people. We need to look no further than a few paragraphs below here for the answer:

The Sabbath a Day of Service.--The first Sabbath of the week of prayer was a day of earnest activity.

I hope that you did not go out your door. For surely you would have been under the penalty of death SHE-DEVIL

From
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"Sunnyside" and the school, two teams and a boat were sent to Dora Creek to bring to the meetings those who were not able to walk so far.

A Boat? And two teams? She-DEVIL, does not know that rowing a boat, involves work? And since it was decided that the boats would be sent, I hope that you did not send other Adventist to pick up these people. For you would have made them break the Sabbath.

The people had been invited to bring their lunch, and come to the meeting prepared to spend the day, and they responded freely to the invitation. {3SM 258.5}

Blah, Blah, Blah.

Some were much surprised that we would exert ourselves on the Sabbath to bring them to the meeting.

Wanna know why SHE-DEVIL? Because you and your bunch had done work in the past-clearly breaking your own rules of Sabbath, and were now surprised that you did not do so now. In other words, you did it before, why are you not doing it now? If at all this event really took place.

They had been taught that Sundaykeeping consisted largely in physical inactivity; and they thought that because we were zealous in the matter of Sabbathkeeping, we would keep it according to the teachings of the Pharisees. {3SM 259.1}

Oh so now the truth comes out SHE-DEVIL!!! You do NOT practice the true Sabbath. Just some of your own made up ideas? Therefore you DO NOT observe the TRUE SABBATH. Who you gave you the authority to change it? I guess you thought nobody would read the Bible and find out that you are a liar sent by Satan.

We told our friends that in the matter of keeping the Sabbath, we studied the example and teachings of Christ whose Sabbaths were often spent in earnest effort to heal and to teach; that we believed that one of our sisters who was nursing a sick family was keeping the Sabbath as much as the one who was leading a division in the Sabbath school; that Christ could not please the Pharisees of His day, and that we did not expect that our efforts to serve the Lord would satisfy the Pharisees of our day.--The Review and Herald, Oct. 18, 1898. {3SM 259.2}

YOU are suggesting that people follow the JEWISH Sabbaths and their rituals hen by your own words you say you varied what can and can not be done. And now you are trying to say you are following Jesus? Oh, please spare me SHE-DEVIL. YOU can not be obeying the LAW of the OT, and taking things from the New Testament and twisting it and saying you are of GOD.

Did you know that GOD had grown to hate the Sabbaths and its rituals? If you would have read the Bible, you would have seen that. But knowing you, you would not have said a word of it.

Haha. I tell you what, girl. You sure did a good one here. Now that is going after the devil in good style.

If a few more people took up this kind of battle against Satan and his sent teachers, this world would not be in the mess it is in.

Sabbaths? Ever study how many DIFFERENT Sabbaths God laid out in the OT? He meant for them, Israel, to keep ALL of them. ALL THE DAYS OF (GET THIS) THEIR GENERATIONS.

That statement, Their Generations, speaks clearly that this was only for the time of the OT. The NT does NOT have 'their' generations in it.

Only the GENERATION of Jesus Christ is in the NT. Their generations ended as Lamentations tells us. He cut off their old sabbaths, their old law, their old prophets, (included the she-devils)--- their kings and everything about them. (sure she-devil never took the time to read Lamentations. Bet none of her followers dare go there, either.)

He did not ever and will not ever revive it or them. Only those who come into the NT the NT way, ( baptism in Jesus name, baptism in the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues as they did on that first outpouring) and living a godly life, united with all other peoples in Christ, AS ONE BODY, will ever be in that new Olive Tree of Faith people, made up of all peoples of this world.

So, why did they, the adventist, following the she-devil, not keep all the other sabbaths? God meant for them to burden themselves with all of them, same as the burden of the foolish weekly sabbath, which was NEVER GOD'S SABBATH OR THE REST HE GAVE TO ANYONE.

They are in total darkness, death, error and lies of Satan, and cannot find their way out of that tangled briar patch.

I am telling you, Tweety. You are getting so good at saying just the right things to old fangled-mouth, beffers. You are doing a great job of showing his true nature.

So now we know why he is into such hardened darkness and cannot come out of it, into any light = been wasting his life studying either the pope's mess, or this she-devils' prison junk.

prison junk? Leading them back into the dungon and bondage, = slavery- or prison, or the law of sin and death = the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Praise our God,,,,,,the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me FREE from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH.

sins which were by the LAW. rOMANS 7.

He has terminated the discussion. And I was just getting started. All I can do is pray for him. As you can see, he is offended by what I said about the SHE-DEVIL.

This is what he said today:

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Tweety134</NOBR>

Sent: 6/16/2008 6:45 AM

From: Beffers

Sent: 6/15/2008 10:47 PM

Tweety, this discussion is terminated. You need anger management help. Please get it. God bless!

Anger Mangement? Been there done that! GOD helps me now. I do not turn to man to solve my anger managment problems.

Please tell us the real reason you do not want to disucss the Sabbaths and Ellen White anymore.

I would think it is because, I have shown that the Sabbaths were Between GOD and Israel forever. And you can not handle that fact, that GOD said these things, (AND NOT ELLEN WHITE).

You have placed a women that had clearly no Bible knowledge of the truth of GOD's WORD.If you would read what she said, and compare it to what the KJV scriptures say-you will see that she was a liar in mostly everything she said. But your so-called church has placed this womens rantings along side GOD's Holy WORD believeing beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she is the same as GOD. It is garbage from hell. You can not serve both GOD and man.

So you can continue to believe that she is holy just as GOD is holy. Well if she is Holy, I would really like to see her release herself from that pit called Hell, where she works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week under the directions of Satan himself. Because Satan is the one that had her rant and rave and see these so-called visions, in an attempt to further lead man into hell. And I see that he has many souls still lining up for their decent into hell because of ELLEN WHITE.

When you decide to repent of your ways and put the devil back in hell where she belongs, maybe then you will see that only GOD and HIS WORD will save you from what has befallen Ellen White's soul.

I am sorry to see this discussion ended. I had some real good ones for you. Ellen White exalted herself just like Satan did before his rebellion against GOD and his kingdom. Will you be like Beffers, do you think that the WORDS of ELLEN WHITE can make GOD look bad? Is that what you are looking for? Man is not above GOD Beffers, never has been. They have all tried and failed.

Repent Beffers and SEEK GOD!

Tweety

Tweety, you did a mighty good job of showing the evils of this woman's teachings. Do not stop. He may not say anything, but he and others will keep reading.

I will set up a board for you to place these messages on for future referrence.

See, this is Beffer's style----when someone gets the best of him, he hurls one last INSULT at them, and leaves, trying to save face with the others who are looking on. He has no place to turn, for you backed him into a corner from which he could not escape.

His only weapon is insults and lies, for he has no knowledge of God's Holy Word. This is why all he does is follow me around, hurling insults and lies about me. I proved way back that this law-keeping stuff is not of God, and he hates this great truth. They are so ignorant, that they think we are teaching that this leaves us place to sin. Right the opposite is true. They are the ones who sin, keeping all holidays, paying a man to preach, having carnavals, in the name of their church, partaking of all worldly pleasures.

Those of us who truly come into grace, filled with the Holy Ghost, love righteousness and do not need some law demanding, with the threat of death, us to live Holy. We live Holy by the Spirit of God, which he gave us. But they were taught against this great Baptism of Holy Ghost, so they try in the flesh, as old Israel, to be religious. It has never worked and will never work.

I see now why he and others like him cannot find any truth...they have studied her words all these years instead of studying God's Word.

As you found and brought out, they place her words above God's word. No, they did not set her equal with God---they set her above God.

They think studying her words is better than studying God's Word.

See if a person does not like Potatoes, they will pretend to do so, in front of others who love Potatoes, but they will always slip and eat candy.

Now that is what happens with Spiritual FOOD. I love the KJV, so I feed on it, exclusively. I love Potatoes and will eat them everyday and any kind of way.

but others are addicted to junk foods and will eat them every day and shun Potatoes. Ellen Whites words are JUNK FOOD.

God bless you in your effort to show this man some truth. He has his mind locked up and refuses to allow any true light in. We can do nothing to help him, for she has him brain-washed.

They are like old Israel....thinking that the works of the law, (which they certainly do not do or keep)...can save them. It is CALF WORSHIP.

Tweety, Isn't it one of the most hypocritical things in this world how Beffers keeps hitting at you for studying Dake and quoting dake and not having a message of your own, ---when he is just as guilty of only repeating White's words?

and of studying her words all these 24 years? My, my. such a hypocrite.

and how he constantly accuses me of using other nicks and that being evil when he does it all the time. having used so many no one could keep up with them.

and he uses them for evil and deception and hides behind them to stike at other, which I have never done.

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Sent: 6/16/2008 3:44 AM

Then Why were Both of their names called Adam by God. And then Adam the mand called the women EVE? Read. Just because you have been told by some preacher that will be going to hell upon his deathbed that this is what the scriptures mean, then you are just as blind as him. READ THE WORD FOR YOURSELVES! Tweety

First of all, I do read God's Word for myself. I don't need a preacher to help me or any study person. Nor do I need any polytheist tritheistic false teacher like Dake. Maybe you should fallow your own statements and listen to God rather than men.

Your question is of no releveance whatsoever.

that man is Beffers.

All I can say is that Beffers is Possessed by ELLEN WHITE. And we all know she followed the DEVIL. So he is possessed by the Devil. I knew it was Beffers, that is why I did not answer him. He is so far from GOD and much closer to hell than he realizes.

Gotta go to work. Tweety

Have a good day. Don't work too hard. and thanks for you labour here and moving those messages. It is a very good and needful study. I am not finished with it yet. Not by a long shot.

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Chap. 29 - The Sabbath: Guiding Principles in Sabbath Obervance-

Chap. 29 - The Sabbath: Guiding Principles in Sabbath Obervance
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