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| From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 12/11/2002 2:21 PM | Here I am going to list just a very few of the many lies William Branham taught the world. If anyone can take the written Word of God and prove any of this, (not an old Josephus book, which Branham taught out of) then I chalange you to do so. W. Branham said speaking in tongues is not necessary as part of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. He said witch doctors do it. How do you know that? Peter said he knew the Gentiles had received the Holy Ghost same as they did FOR (this means because of this) he heard them speak with tongues. We speak in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, else He (the Spirit) did not come in. I say to you, you are responsible to get these things straight. Prove it by the Word. God showed by three witnesses (3 Scriptures) (this establishes it as truth)-- that the way one knows the Holy Ghost has come in is because Isaiah 28 was fulfilled, - they spoke with stammering lips and another tongue. This proves it is the evidence of receiving the true Spirit. Now this is not saying some can speak and it not be true. But this in no way does away with the true evidence God chose. So, take the Word and PROVE one can receive it without speaking in tongues. Can you do that? If so, please show me - I want truth. The word tells me one must speak in tongues if the Spirit truly comes in. I have shown you how William Branham taught hideous lies against God’s Word. Did you study his words and compare them to the Written Word of God to see? No. You blindly just go ahead listening to your mentors, and believe that because he claimed to do miracles that he is some ‘great man of God�?as you put it. I tell you in the Name of the Lord, you had better get serious with the Word of God and PROVE all these things. Now prove by the Written Word of God that Eve had sex with a snake and from that came Cain as taught by Branham. Prove it to be true or a lie. And if it proves to be a lie, then how can you call W. Branham a ‘great man of God�? Where did W. Branham PROVE by God’s Word that Eve had sex with a serpent? Where did he prove the devil got INTO the Serpent? The Word said the serpent IS the Devil and Satan. Where did he prove by the Word that John was dead in the womb until Mary spoke to Elizabeth? Where did he prove the gifts of the Spirit are to be done in a back room and not in the church? Where did he prove that Mary is not the true Mother of Jesus but only an incubator? How do you swallow down such puke? How do you call him great when he said God did not have to use a woman, he could have put it (his seed) on a STUMP and brought forth his Son? This is hideous. He also preached the Immaculate Conception, as do the Catholics. He said the tree of knowledge of good and evil was the woman’s sex organs ---- where is such an evil lie in God’s Word? Where did the word say this is the knowledge of sin? God said by the law is the knowledge of sin. Now how is it you consider these things of no importance? How is it you consider him a great man of God with him teaching the world such evil lies? Where did God say a woman is worse than a dog? God made us to be able to have loving with our man every day - that does not mean we are worse than a dog. He said Eve came ‘into season�?like a dog. This is evil, rotten and lies. He said the serpent was a big, good-looking guy like a man, a missing link between man and monkeys. Do you believe such lies? If so, prove it by the Word of God. He said this good-looking guy, a tall handsome fellow came along when Eve was in season and seduced her into sex. How can you call such lies something great from God? I tell you truth, I have never found such evil words in God's Word; and neither has anyone else. He said men could have more than one wife - where does the Word say this? It says right the opposite. You know as well as I do that many families got into a mess because of this lie. Then he taught the truly married they were supposed to get away from marital relationships ---- but the Word said not to defraud each other. He said they could not do certain things with each other, it was evil. But what said the Word. In marriage the bed is undefiled. See he led men into polygamous relationships, then married couples into a dead marriage. You see no evil in all of this? How? He said a man can and a woman can’t. Had people everywhere saying this. I ask you, where does the Word say this? He said a woman could NEVER be justified from committing fornication. I ask you for one Scripture saying this evil. Did not the Word say Jesus cleanses us from ALL SIN? Does this ALL mean only men? How in this world am I supposed to believe men can commit all manner of sex sins, then be justified - but a woman hath never justification? I call it LIES, PUKE, VOMIT. Now, if you can take the Word of God and prove all these lies from your ‘great man of god�?do it. And I can assure you; there are many, many more such evil lies he told the whole world. You love that? I hate it. Think of me what you will. In the end God will prove I have told you nothing but truth. You do need to think about these things. You are responsible to tell people truth any of you trying to teach God's Word. You had better get things straight with the Word, or quit teaching and sit down and be taught and study the Word for yourself. Quit just listening to some old preacher who lifts himself up as some great teacher. They believe lies, as you do. Jo | |
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| Dear Joie, it has been a long time since I have seen so much hate in any one person. Surely you will bring upon your own head, the jugements of almight God, for speaking against this man.. But I pray that you will not be lost for it. I have only posted here 2 times to the best that I can remember..if you have been refering to me over the last few post, then I do not not understand. I would not and will speak against you in the manner that you have done here against this Precious Bro. I did however go back and listen to the tapes to see what you were repeating that he had said. I think in all fairness, you should refer people back to the book or tapes and let them judge for themselves, what was actually said in his message.He did say however if anyone did not agree with him everyone had that right, and that was ok, but he also asked that people would not speak against it. I will not be part of any group that will tear anyone down dead or alive , in the manner that you have done here. I do not worship this man , but I do respect him , and his message.B/c I believe that he was a prophet of God , sent to the churches in his days, but you see that is my belief, you can have your own belief. God will defend his word, and he will defend his servants...so with that being said, I will leave this group. I joined b/c I thought this group was something besides what it is. Joie, you will never win anyone to christ, with this type of hatred that you have, against anyone that does not agree with you...I pray that people will not look at this Bro. in the way that you have portrayed him here, and I blame myself for that. I should have never asked you what you thought about him, several weeks ago. And I ask God to forgive me of that. If you believe that he was, what you say he is, then why don't you go to their web page" Voice of God Recordings, and tell them what you are telling everyone else here on this web page?..I will from time to time read the post from some that post here, B/c I belive there are some good teachings in some,but there is more division than should be....I ask that you will forgive my ignorance in ever bringing up this Bro's. Name , to have it trashed like you have done.I pray that God will also forgive me for doing such a thing as this....I pray that God's children get themselves ready for the end is truely upon us....Godservant | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 12/12/2002 11:00 PM | | Mr godservant, Your loyality is most certainly in the wrong place. You had better get it to the Word of God; for the Word is God. Now if you can bring forth one single Scripture confirming these lies branham spoke out of old Josephus's lying book, then do it. But if you cannot, then maybe you had better think where your soul is headed. No, I would bring judgment against myself if I refused to tell this world of the evil lies this man taught. Mr. I heard I suppose every message this man ever taped. I read almost every one of his books. Later God spoke directly to me and told me to burn them, for they are idols of evil. You cannot bring me into your fear. And the very fact that you think he was a PROPHET to the church, proves you do not know the Word. For the Word declared John the Baptist to be the LAST OF THESE TYPE PROPHETS. God made us all (true Christians) prophets and priest to God for ourselves. This is the Word of my Jesus. Your branham nor all of you he has deceived with his lying miracles cannot take that away from us. I brought forth many of his lies. It is up to you to bring forth Scripture proving it if you are going to come in here claiming I am wrong and he is right. Bring forth proof that Eve had Cain by a relationship with anyone other than her God given husband, Adam. You know you cannot do it. And if you ever read his books or tapes, you know this was one of his main harping stones. He loved that evil message. Did you ever hear him tell of how Eve had sex with the man-like creature, between man and monkey, that morning, then with Adam that evening and had twins, = Cain, the son of the serpent (who could never be saved, or his desendants)-- and Abel, the son of Adam? Well, I can tell you I did. And I can tell you, not ONE WORD OF THAT EVIL, LUST FILLED TALE IS WRITTEN IN GOD'S HOLY WORD.!!! He also told, in order to back up this evil, filthy lie, how a woman went with a black man one morning, then her white husband that evening and had twins: one black, the other white, trying to prove his lie against Eve. Now is that gospel, holy speach or filth? lust? I say it is lust, evil. A lie against God's Word. So, see, deceived one, you are not going to pump your unholy fear of this false man into me. I fear God and tell his truth. I would fear to say this evil man was a man of God. You go ahead - do not compare his words with God's Word. You are placing this lie above God. So leave here if you choose. And you are not the reason I taught this. I had been intending to do so for a long time. I would have done it anyway. You do not get the credit. I fail to see how anyone can be so blind as to call anyone who would speak such filth against women and the word of God that that evil man did, how can you call him a great man of God. And, no. I WAS NOT SPEAKING TO YOU IN THAT FIRST POST. I KNEW IT WOULD LOOK TO YOU AS IF IT WERE YOU I MEANT. I WANT TO EXPLAIN. ACTUALLY, THAT IS AN EXCERPT FROM A LETTER I WROTE TO MY PREACHER BOYFRIEND. HE ALSO THINKS THIS EVIL MAN, BRANHAM IS A GREAT MAN OF GOD. HE AND I HAD DISCUSSED THIS A FEW DAYS BEFORE I WROTE THIS. I PUT THAT INTO MY LETTER TO HIM. HE IS THE ONE I WAS SPEAKING TO. I ONLY EXCERPTED THIS PART TO POST HERE; FOR I HAD WANTED TO BRING THIS OUT HERE ANYWAY. BY THE WAY, I DID NOT GIVE THE LETTER TO HIM. I DESTROYED IT. I WILL SPEAK TO HIM IN ANOTHER MANNER OF THIS MATTER. I ALREADY HAVE SOME. BUT I WILL ATTEMPT TO LEAD HIM TO THE WORD OF GOD A LITTLE AT A TIME. I BELIEVE HE WILL COME INTO THE TRUTH AND LIGHT OF GOD'S WORD IN TIME. HE HAS ALSO BEEN DECEIVED BY OTHER FALSE SHEPHERDS AS YOU HAVE. I DO HOPE YOU AND YOUR WIFE WILL OPEN YOUR BLINDED EYES AND PLACE YOUR LOVE AND LOYALITY TO GOD AND THE TRUE WORD. BROTHER, IF ANY teaching CROSSES GOD'S WORD, IT IS A LIE. GOD SAID LET HIS WORD BE TRUE AND every MAN'S A LIE. THIS INCLUDED WILLIAM BRANHAM. HIS WORDS ARE LIES. Now, don't just come in here denying what I said. Bring forth Scripture proving your false prophets lies or be quiet. We, (I ) am not going to accept yours or anyone else's word against God's Word. If you cannot prove his lies with Scripture, you need to hush up and study the Word of God. This is exactly why so many false teachings prosper here in America == people like you go on emotion and personality, and in his case, lying sings and miracles, instead of proving things by the Word of God = the written Scritpures. This places you on the danger list of God; not me. Jo, a true servant of Jesus. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 12/12/2002 11:25 PM | | Here I will list some more of the lies branham told the world: He said ( and I know you who believe in him, know he said these things; if you listen to him at all, you HAVE to know these things just as I do)..... that America would be destroyed by the end of 1976. He said no free republic had ever lasted over 200 years. So America could go no further than 1976, for this would be our 200th year. Now did he say that or Not? You know he did. Did not the Word of God tell us not to FEAR a man who prophecied lies? Sure it does. I do not fear this man, nor do I fear to tell the world the truth of his lies. He also said the 'rapture' (which there is no such thing in the Word of God), but he said this false (my word) rapture would occur by 1977. He said we would be in the Millieum by 1977. Did he say this or not? sure, you know he did. and one of his little fake followers, lifting himself up as another great man of God and prophet, whom I suppose you, Godservant believe in too, George Pike, (one of my daughter's father-in-law)-- said these same lies. I heard him in PERSON SAY THAT AMERICA WOULD BE DESTROYED BY 1977. and many other such lies they both told. Did they or not? I am sure you know they did. Branham went on to tell how only about 1 or 2, 5 at the most would go in that rapture from Georgia. The Word said no man knows the day nor the hour Jesus will return. Yet this lying man you try to fear me over, set several dates for it. Then reset another one several times. None of them came true. This PROVES HIM FALSE. Both of them were proven false on this same thing. and on many other things Too many to list here. God knows I speak truth; you know it also. You just want so much to hang to that lie, you refuse to take a stand on God's truth. There is where my fear would be, to not take a stand on God's truth. God will prove all this in his own time. Just you all wait and see. Judgment is soon to strike this evil nation; for you are FULL OF IDOLS. Jo | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 12/12/2002 11:46 PM | | Now I want to ask you, mr godservant, ( I know you have unjoined; but I also know you will look back here to see what I have answered you)---you say I 'trashed' branham's name --- HOW? I only told exactly what he told -- then if he spoke this, how is my repeating what he spoke trashing his name? HUH? If it trashed his name, then it is crystal clear that he trashed it himself by speaking this filth in the first place. And I know if you listen to his tapes and read his books, you HAVE TO KNOW I SPOKE THE TRUTH. And as for my going to their web site, I have no desire to go near that place or deal with people spreading that man's filth. But honestly, see that if I speak what he spoke and say he said it, and it is public in the whole world through his tapes and books, that he said what I say he said, ( anyone who desires to prove it, can get a few tapes or books and easily find it; he spoke of the evil serpent seed thing a whole lot; as I said he LOVED that lust filled tale) ( mostly because it blacked Eve, and Hence all women). Then how is this world did III trash him? He trashed himself. If what I say he said trashed him, He is the one who said it, so he was the trash, not me. That is plain to see is it not. If you say a thing, how is someone else going to trash you just by saying that you said it? You are the one who said it. If it is trash, then you trashed yourself by saying it. Now surely, since you can see that by saying what he said trashed him, and It is too easy to prove he did say it, then he had to have been speaking trash. This itself ought to PROVE TO YOU HE SPOKE LIES AND TRASH. ELSE HOW DID MY REPEATING WHAT HE SAID TRASH HIS NAME. MR, AND ANYONE READING THIS, THAT MAN SPOKE EVERY WORD I SAID HE DID. DONT' TAKE MY WORK FOR IT. READ SOME OF HIS MESSAGES AND SEE. MR GODSERVENT , YOU SHOULD KNOW HE SAID EVERY WORD I SAID HE SAID. IF YOU LISTEN TO HIM AT ALL, YOU KNOW HE DID SAY EVERY WORD OF IT. THEN IF YOU THINK IT IS EVIL, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE HIM/ IF YOU THINK HE DID NOT SAY IT, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TO RESEARCHING HIS WORDS AND SEE. MISTER, YOU OWE IT TO YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY TO EITHER PROVE ME WRONG, OR PROVE BRANHAM WRONG. YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE CALLING A GREAT MAN OF GOD IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT HE TAUGHT, THEN HOW CAN YOU JUDGE THAT HE WAS A GREAT MAN OF GOD? Know what? my preacher boy friend also told me he did not know what this man taught, he did not know he taught these things, --- and yet, like you, he claims the man to be a great man of God. Now how can this be? How can you claim a man to be a great man of God if you do not know what he taught? What are you basing it on? fake miracles? Miracles do not prove a person -- the truth does. Now if you do not know what the man taught, you need to quit disputing with me ( for I DO KNOW WHAT HE TAUGHT). and find out for yourself if he said these things or not. If you truly think these things would trash him, then surely you would like to know if he truly did say them or Not? right? If not, why not. Maybe you need to get some of his material and check it out. Jo | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 12/14/2002 11:44 PM | | Matt. 7: 15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Now, here is solid proof from God's Word that just because a man works signs, and wonderful works, casting out devils, etc. DOES NOT MEAN THEY BELONG TO GOD, OR THAT THEY WERE great men of God. He said they worked iniquity. He said all LIARS shall have their part in the lake of fire. Lying is refering to speaking lies against God's Word. This is the most serious offense there is. For a man to teach hideous lies, and claim it is God's Word is the worst sin one can commit. This is the 'lies' which will cause them to burn in hell. So, anyone believing these lies, is obligated to PROVE IT BY THE WORD OF GOD. And if you cannot, then stop saying I am wrong to call the man an evil liar. I say he lied against God. He was a false prophet. He deceived many, many folks. and it is still deceiving them today. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/5/2005 10:28 PM | | Amen, sister joie. Keep on telling this world about this evil man and his evil teachings. I heard him say on a tape, that he had always hated women and STILL had a problem with that..........now tell,,,,,,,,me.....you who believe this junk he preached...and call him a great man of god....how is this kind of hatred out of a great man of God? WHy would a great man of God hate women???????? sounds like a pervert to me. | |
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The Serpent's Seed In spite of his apparent humility and consecration, Branham had great difficulty controlling a strident, hateful attitude toward women. In his own poor English, transcribed from a sermon, Branham stated, But I remember when my father's still up there running, I had to be out there with water and stuff, see young ladies that wasn't over seventeen, eighteen years, up there with a man my age now, drunk. And they'd have to sober them up and give them black coffee, to get them home to cook their husband's supper. Oh, something like that, I said, 'I...This was my remarked [sic] then, THEY'RE NOT WORTH A GOOD CLEAN BULLET TO KILL THEM WITH IT.' That's right. And I hated women. That's right. And I just have to watch every move now, to keep from still thinking the same thing.
This attitude toward women may have played a part in the development of Branham's bizarre "Serpent Seed" teaching. This was based on a twisted interpretation of Genesis 3:13 , where Eve is recorded as saying, "The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat." The word "beguiled" Branham defined as "seduced sexually." He claimed that Satan and Eve engaged in an adulterous affair out of which Cain was born. Since that time evil has passed from generation to generation through women, who keep the seed of the serpent alive.(26) He seemed to think that women are responsible for the evil in the world because of their enticements. The "Serpent's Seed" teaching obviously indicated that Branham didn't take the Scriptures literally, where we read, "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived and bare Cain..." (Genesis 4:1). His animosity toward women led to the preaching of a rigid moral code that lambasted them on their manner of dress, and may have been responsible for his "revelation" that allowed for divorce.(27) | |
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In the past I also read a bit about Branham.
I clearly remember what Larry wrote in message 1O:"they're not worth a good clean bullet to kill them with".
I had the impression he was obesessed by sex.
I once read in a Dutch translation: Eve wanted to know what sex was, she took off her clothes, and had sex with the serpent."
I always wondered if he didn't have an occult background .You often see Lilith, Adam's supposed first wife, depicted with a snake around her body.
I also read that he claimed to be God's last prophet and that the end would come in 1977 and that he would continue living on eath, being immortal.
And that before the millenium the world would be ruled by a very beautiful but very cruel woman.
He also claimed that God gave him visions about how women would dress in the future( before 1977).
That at a certain time their covering would only be a fig leaf!!!
Don't know if all this is true, I only read it in a translation.
About the word:beguiled.Is this really to "seduce sexually?"My English-Dutch translation doesn't refer to it.Perhaps he made this up?
Yet, not only Braham thinks that Eve's sin was a sin of adultery.Many christians see it that way, because they think (mislead by paintings and pictures) that Adam and Eve only covered their genitals after eating of the forbidden fruit.
But that's not in the bible.
They were covered with the glory of God and I'm sure than when this glory covering left them, they covered their whole bodies.
He might be called "a great man of God" by some, but I don't like his teachings.
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I'll just take these one at a time. The Bible tells us not everyone who is Holy Ghost filled speaks in tongues.
1Co 12:30 -
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
For every gift, there is an imitation. Satan is an imitator, so that would include tongues. This is not to say there is not a genuine gift.
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| Thank you, Larry, for finding this and sending it back up for us. I need to do a separate board for this kind of teaching, and save it for us to be able to find easily. May do that shortly. and I am glad to see that you, eelya, also see through this false man and his evil teachings. That is all it is fit to be called, EVIL. Now to you, Litty, That Scripture in 1Cor. 12:30 is NOT speaking of when one receives the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. It is speaking of the gift of tongues, by which we edify ourselves with our Spiritual worship and prayer or singing in tongues. Sure, not all receive this gift......... BUT.... THAT is NOT the gift of the Holy Ghost. It is established by the required THREE witnesses, in the Word of God, that everyone who receives this gift of the Holy Ghost, DO INDEED SPEAK IN TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GIVES THE UTTERANCE. Everyone who does not like the idea of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, according to the Book of Acts, the only place it is recorded, always goes to this where Paul is teaching on the gifts of the Spirit, to the church. Paul himself said, forbid not to speak in tongues and he said I THANK MY GOD, that I speak in tongues MORE THAN YOU ALL. So he most certainly was NOT LOWERING this great gift, which is the sign to the unbeleivers that they are UNBELIEVERS. Only Unbelievers DENY THIS GIFT of the Baptsim of the Holy Ghost, with the evidance of speaking in other tongues. Hope you stay into this study and allow God to speak to you, HIS TRUTH.
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| And the SERPENT cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. |
For all of you who believe that the serpent was turned into a literal reptile snake, please tell me, who do you think the above verse is about? How did a snake cast water as a flood out of his mouth to cause the woman to be carried away of the flood? What 'snake' did this thing to the woman who bore the manchild? Do you have any Scripture explaining this verse? I want some of you to explain this to us. | |
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Branham's life ended abruptly. While on a trip to Arizona, his car was hit head-on by one driven by a drunken driver. For six days he lay in a coma and, on Christmas Eve, 1965, he passed away. The entire Pentecostal world was shaken by the tragedy. "A number of old friends - Oral Roberts, Demos Shakarian, T.L. Osborn - telephoned their concern." When Branham died, Demos Shakarian wrote, Rev. Branham often made the statement that the only Fellowship to which he belonged was FGBMFI. Often, when called upon to speak at various conventions and chapter meetings, he has traveled long distances to keep those engagements. His spirit of service was an inspiration. Many of Branham's followers believed that he had truly come in the spirit of Elijah; some believed him to be God, born of a virgin.They fully expected him to rise from the dead and come back to them at the end of three days. Five days after his passing, William Branham was buried, and his grave was soon marked by the pyramid-shaped tombstone. To date, William Branham's body is still in the grave. But his occult approach to healing was picked up by hundreds of pastors and teachers who have traded on it to a greater or lesser degree. |
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Reply to # 30 Why do you insist on seperating NT from OT ? Our Creator is always the same, right from the git-go ! Eric
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Eric, God seperated Light from Darkness. this is law (OT) (Darkness) or death, -- and Light is Grace, or NT and Life. God has never been approving of the OT. God said it waxed old and decayed and was done away with. If you would take some time to study Scriptrue, (KJV) you could learn some of this truth. there is no salvation in that OT. Never has been. Only by GRACE, or NT in the blood of Jesus, is any salvation. by GRACE are we saved. and that by FAITH. the LAW IS NOT OF FAITH. JO |
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As I read this thread, this thought came to me. Are there any, or not many, today, who can endure sound doctrine? I notice that much truth has been presented, yet most of the people seem to hold to fables. I have also heard of the fables which this man, Branham, taught. They are surely not in keeping with sound doctrine. 2Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. It surely seems to me that many are doing just this, turning away from truth to hold to fables. |
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