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| | From:  Tweety134 (Original Message) | Sent: 6/28/2008 12:04 AM |
Proverbs 8:22-36 (KJV)
8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
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Tweety, before I give my answer, please tell me who or what you think it is. and why did you pick up at verse 22 instead of verse one where the answer is clearly revealed? |
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Also please tell me, is this one speaking a male or a female? It is clearly revealed in the entire chapter. (not try to be smart.....just showing you, yourself, how to get the true answers.) |
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I think it is JESUS. Tweety |
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| Tweety, I am going to take this a tiny bit at a time, for now. (got to go eat some lunch. Then will try to find some time to deal with this some more.) but for now: Pr 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? Pr 8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. Pr 8:3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. Pr 8:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man. May I ask, upon what do you base your belief that it is Jesus? What verse shows it to be Jesus, who did not exist until about 2,000 years ago? Notice, verse 1, is the subject of this entire chapter = WISDOM. It is clearly speaking all through this chapter about a female, called WISDOM. Watch: VERSE 1�?U>put forth HER voice? Who? Who is this speaking about, this HER? Is Jesus a HER? VERSE 2...SHE standeth in the top of high places, Who? Who is this SHE? Verse 3...SHE crieth at the gates…�?WHO? WHAT GATES? WHAT IS SHE CRYING? VERSE 4...Who is SHE calling to? MEN> my voice is to the SONS OF MEN�?.were they back yonder in the way back ‘beginning�?of time? Sons of men? Are you sure? This is going to be a very good study, indeed. Love it. Glad you started this. We surely do need a change of subject material for a while. Love ye, Jo | |
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Ok, now. Study this one a while and see if you can find the answer: Pr 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it. Pr 8:12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. Pr 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. Pr 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength. Ps 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the BEGINNING OF WISDOM: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. Job 28:28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Ps 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh WISDOM, and his tongue talketh of judgment. Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them UNDERSTANDING. Ps 119:125 I am thy servant; give me understanding, that I may know thy testimonies. Ps 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law. Ps 119:127 Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold. Ps 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way. Ps 119:129 PE. Thy testimonies are wonderful: therefore doth my soul keep them. Ps 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps 119:131 I opened my mouth, and panted: for I longed for thy commandments. Ps 119:132 Look thou upon me, and be merciful unto me, as thou usest to do unto those that love thy name. Ps 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word ABOVE all thy name. |
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How u like my new nick? me made it meself. think Larry made this one. |
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| And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. | | Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, | | And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: | | And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. |  |
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P.s. well, for some reason the last one did not give all of it. so here it is: )hope_ 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Lu 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, Lu 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Lu 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Notice verse 45, === then OPENED he their understanding, that they might understand the Scriptures. Now this is the very reason we have so much false doctrine in this world === they have not had their understanding opened by Jesus. Unless HE opens your understand, you will never, ever understand a thing you read or hear, from Scripture. It is not something the carnal mind can get. It has to be given to you by God. Your own ‘intelligence�?is not sufficient for you to UNDERSTAND Scripture. It has to be given. Your understanding has to OPENED. This is the same thing, spiritually, as having your EYES opened. It means to be given toe ability to understand spiritual things in the light of Written Scripture. This is the reason very few people can see the difference in the law of Moses and the Laws of God. Their understanding has not been opened. |
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Did we ever get this answer?  |
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I think we did talk about this Freeborn, but as I read it again. It could be EVE speaking. Yes-THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING. SHE IS WISDOM. Another thing that I see is that GOD will open up a persons understanding so that they may understand the scriptures. So you see it does not happen if you read the WORD once in your life. And say after reading: "I believe". NO NO. That will not do. You must study daily. Everyday for the rest of your life until the day you die. Please remember that you will not have another chance at this. On judgement day you can not stand before Jesus and say: ELLEN WHITE, REV. SO & SO. BISHOP HE SAID..POPE 100 told me so. NO NO. THAT WILL NOT DO IT EITHER. YOU MUST READ AND STUDY THE WORD OF GOD. JESUS did not say-let another person tell you what the scriptures say. NO NO. HE SAID STUDY THEM. HE MEANT EACH ONE OF US. So if they want to let a preacher, Bishop, Or whatever tell them what they must believe, and not study for themselves-then they will be blind. Each person on this earth is responsiable for HIS OWN salvation. I can tell you about salvation, and tell you what Jesus said. But it would be up to you to follow it. Have a good day. Tweety |
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That is very good, tweety. don't know why I have not gotten back to this. But now is a good time to do so. I see what you mean about Eve. And yes, to her generation, she was the wisdom, for she spoke the truth of God's WORD. See, all the above verses which I pointed out, show that WISDOM IS THE WORD OF GOD. It is the Scriptures. This is why we must all study the Word, rejecting any and all false teachings, which cross any scripture. If it crosses even one verse, you have it wrong. they had it wrong. So wisdom is knowing the true WORD OF GOD. Yes, God possessed this wisdom in the beginning of all his ways. He has been revealing this wisdom OR WORD to his people, all along the way. It takes some great wisdom from God, to be able to rightly DIVIDE the Word of God = to know the difference in being under law, and being in Grace. People totally miss this fact.....that in all the Word of God, from Genesis, through Jude, there are TWO DIFFERENT TREES, OR COVENANTS, OR LAWS OF GOD. One is the old law, written on stone, called the Law of Moses, this is the DEATH TREE. To be under this LAW, is to be under condemnation and death. This is so clearly taught in all Scripture, that I don't see how anyone could miss it. yet most people do miss it. The other is the tree of life, or Grace, in the Spirit and faith. See that the tree of death is done away with in the Book of Revelation, and only the tree of life remains. the two grow together until the end of the world. It is the two WOMEN in scripture, New Jerusalem and old jerusalem. It is Zion and Babylon. It is those of us who come into the new covenant, the Acts 2 way, or those who cling to the old way and think the works of the law will get them in. There is only LAW AND GRACE. It is the old covenant, and the new covenant. the old covenant waxed old, decayed and vanished away. so all build it back up, are in death and under condemnation. they seek to bring everyone down into their death with them. These are the two ways God gave men to live by. Those who chose law will be destroyed, for they are judged as GUILTY. He brought them under law, that he might consider them all GUILTY. they chose death instead of life. it is darkness, not light. see the two opposites, all through the word of God ... Jesus, Adam. Holy Ghost/ satan. life/death. light/darkness. it is those two laws. wisdom knows the difference. Then only those of us who come into Grace, through the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, will be free from that curse, the old law, and be born into the kingdom of God. |
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AMEN TO THAT FREEBORN. TWEETY |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 8/4/2008 2:32 AM |
Proverbs 8 is talking about "wisdom" God's wisdom was before the creation. The only way to obtain godly wisdom is through God's Spirit. But God doesn't give spiritual wisdom to the disobedient. I don't see how Eve fits in any of this..sorry. Everything else was I was pretty much in agreement. Especially on the parts about "Wisdom" which is what Proverbs 8 is talking about. Proverbs 8:1 "1Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? DOVEY |
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Dovey, you don't see a lot of things, for you have not been taught any truth. Everything which is truth, is none-sense to you. It is because you do not study Scripture and you have not the holy Ghost anointing to teach you. You do not want truth, or I would show it to you. But I am not about to sit here, with my fingers already hurting from so much typing, and try to show you something that deep. it would take too much. but if you really wanted to know, and not just try to put down everything we teach, there is already plenty of teaching on this, in the Satan/Adam board, and the Eve board. There is also some of this deep revelation in the Genesis and Revelation boards. there probably is some of this in the Psalms board also. there is worlds of other revelation we have, which would not make one bit of sense to you, for you are in total darkness and ignorance of God's Word. Jo  |
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| From: Dovey | Sent: 8/3/2008 9:32 PM | | Proverbs 8 is talking about "wisdom" God's wisdom was before the creation. The only way to obtain godly wisdom is through God's Spirit. But God doesn't give spiritual wisdom to the disobedient. |
So, are you obedient? Do you have this 'wisdom'? Do you have godly wisdom through God's Spirit? If so, please share some of your wisdom with us. |
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