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| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 5/14/2008 1:35 PM |
Ok, here is the Scriptural answer: Ro 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the KNOWLEDGE of sin. Now the above verse plainly tells us that by the LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of sin, or evil. We know that the law also teaches us what is good. So this solidly proves that the LAW is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Now watch this verified next. Ro 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (The day you EAT of this tree, you will DIE.) Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (THIS SHOWS we were delivered from that old dead tree of Law, to be placed into the tree of life, which is GRACE.) Ro 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. (THIS Plainly shows that the KNOWLEDGE of sin came by the LAW.) Ro 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. Ro 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. (the day you eat thereof, you will DIE.) Man was alive without the law, for without the law, there is no sin. there was only life, until Adam and Eve partook of law. |
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Now tithes was a commandment of the law. Heb 7: 5 and verily they of the sons of Levi, who received the office of the priest hood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, (but not according to grace). Now according to the word, no one,even under the law, was to take tithes from the people, except the sons of Levi. So we are not under the law, but the grace plan. Rom. 10: 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.[so, are you a beliver? if so, the law is not for you.] So if tithes were under the law, and Christ is the end of the law, then that was the end of the tithing system. Now in the 2nd chapter of Acts verse 45 Bring all the tithes into the store house was fulfilled. They sold all of their possessions and goods and parted them to all men, (not ten percent to the preacher, as the tithe-receiving preachers would have you to believe) but to all men,as every man had need. If the preacher didn't need anything, he got nothing. Now the people paid tithes to the sons of Levi. If you and I were to do this, where would we go to find the tribe of Levi? The tithe paying preacher say that you owe the Lord ten-percent of the dollar. Why? Jesus didn't come out of the tribe of Levi. Heb. 7: 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood (Christ is the end of the law.) Gal 5: 4 Chist is become of no effect unto you,whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law, are under the curse: Now tithes were the work of the law, and if you pay them you are under the curse, so says the word of God (Now call him a liar) For it is written, cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Now if you carry out the tithes and leave the rest of the law undone, God said that you were a curse. I know the people that are honest can see this. |
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Is tithing of law or of Grace? How do you believe it? If you believe in keeping law, do you also pay tithes? to whom? which one is the Levite? Do you think it was every MONEY? if so, please give me the verse proving they ever tithed MONEY. People. do you even begin to know the word of God? or any truth? do you think you can just accept all the lies of Satan, and still make it into the kingdom of God? If so, you are totally deceiving your own selves. Better stop all else, and get to studying the Word of God. These message boards, are not going to get it for you, because I dare say not one in a million, typing away, know any truth. Better get that Holy KJV out and get to studying IT AND IT ALONE. |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 8/3/2008 9:59 AM |
Yes, this is a favorite verse of the "no-law" teachers. Romans 7:4... where Paul writes that a Christian is "dead to the law" and is now "married to another." From these statements, some conclude that God no longer requires a Christian to obey His laws. Unfortunately, those who force such an interpretation on this verse fail to understand the profound truths that the apostle is explaining. In verse 4, Paul explains the marriage analogy and how this relationship of a woman to her husband bears upon our relationship to the law and Christ. Romans 7:4 "Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ." Paul is explaining.....Just as the woman cannot be condemned by the law as an adulteress if her first husband dies, so we cannot be condemned by the law because our "old man of sin" has died . Romans 7:1 " Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? In other words, WE HAVE BECOME DEAD in the eyes of the law! At the time of our baptism, the old man of sin was put to death and buried in a watery grave Romans 6:4 " Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Jesus Christ died in our stead, and we have been buried with Him in baptism, the law regards us as having died. Therefore, the penalty for sin which is DEATH ..Romans 6:23" For the wages of sin [is] death..." ......has been paid, and the law no longer has power to condemn us to death for our sins. Paul continues in Romans 6: 4 "...that you may be married to another, even to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God." Jesus died and was raised from the dead. When our old man is put to death in Baptism..our New man which raises from the water can marry Jesus. In the analogy of the woman and her husbands, the first husband is the old man of sin to whom we were "married" prior to conversion (before we were converted). After the old man of sin died at baptism, we are now free to marry Christ. Just as Jesus died and was resurrected, so our old man of sin has died, and we have been raised out of the watery grave of baptism a NEW MAN, empowered to bear righteous fruit in service to God. So, what died here?? The law??? Of course not. What died is our "old man" at baptism. Now that we are justified by Jesus' sacrifice, we no longer have the penalty of death hanging over our heads. Why did we have the penalty of the law over our heads? Because we were sinners. Romans 3;23 "All have sinned.." and also...Romans 6:23 "the wages of sin is DEATH" What is Sin? "sin is the trangression of the law I John 3:4. We are now free to OBEY God from the heart. Romans 3:20 is telling us that through the law we can know what Sin is. It is NOT saying that the law causes us to sin. It is NOT saying that keeping the law is what causes us to sin. DOVEY |
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Now in the 2nd chapter of Acts verse 45 Bring all the tithes into the store house was fulfilled. They sold all of their possessions and goods and parted them to all men, (not ten percent to the preacher, as the tithe-receiving preachers would have you to believe) but to all men,as every man had need.
If the preacher didn't need anything, he got nothing. Now the people paid tithes to the sons of Levi. If you and I were to do this, where would we go to find the tribe of Levi? (freeborn)
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John 4:35And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet. If tithing was NT, tell me why the Levite who was the one supposed to get the tithes sell his land and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet. If it was the right thing to do, he surely would have tole the apostles that it belong to him. |
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Wow, Larry. That is a very good point to bring out. See how truth begets more truth and thus be BUILD our spiritual house....line upon line, verse upon verse, precept upon precept. Now as the false doctrine of staying under the law, which can only use a few verses, here and there, of which THEY MUST TWIST AND WRANGLE, AND TOTALLY CHANGE, AS DOVEY DID IN THE ABOVE POST, TRYING TO UPHOLD THEIR CULTS FALSE TEACHING. wE GO from one verse to another, then another, and another, never finding a fault nor discrepencey, for it is ALL THE WORD AND COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. That cult thinks that only the ten commandments, written on stone, is all of God's commands and all that he is concerned with anyone obeying. so said the devil, as he tempted our Lord, to twist one verse and tempt God with it, instead of IT IS WRITTEN, MAN SHALL LIVE BY EVERY WORD OF GOD......not ten written on stone. We have not left a 'stone' unturned in teaching this true GRACE DOCTINE, OF FREEDOM FROM LAW. |
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Now, I will show you how dovey twisted the scripture, below, to try to back up their cult’s false doctrine. When one must change the Word of God, to try to fit their false stuff in, they should know, their own selves, that they have it wrong. Ro 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. Verse 4, said, ye ARE BCOME DEAD TO THE LAW. Did not say dead to your old man. Said dead to the LAW. Sheep of God, flee this kind of mangling of God’s Holy Word. Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (if ye are under law, ye bring forth fruit unto DEATH. iF YE ARE IN GRACE, NOT LAW, YE BRING FORTH FRUIT UNTO GOD. SEE THE DIFFERENCE? ONLY THE TRUE SHEEP OF GOD CAN SEE.) Verse 5, said, the motions of SINS, which were BY THE LAW, worked in our members to bring forth fruit UNTO DEATH. Proving this law is the tree of DEATH. If you EAT of this tree, you will DIE. In the DAY you eat of it, you will die, you are dead, spiritually. Thus you despise the HOLY GHOST AND FAITH, grace. Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Now, what did verse 6 say we are delivered from? Old man? NO. It said delivered FROM THE LAW. It was DEAD, and we were held by it. We should serve in newness of SPIRIT = HAVING THE HOLY GHOST, and not , see that? NOT, in the OLDNESS (first covenant waxed old) of the letter, meaning the law written on stone. Now all the devils in hell cannot change the above scripture or this true interpretation, for indeed I did no interpretation, but merely pointed out what it is really saying, as Larry did about the LEVITE, GIVING THE NT WAY, == OUR ALL. |
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| From: Dovey | Sent: 8/3/2008 4:59 AM | | Yes, this is a favorite verse of the "no-law" teachers. Romans 7:4... where Paul writes that a Christian is "dead to the law" and is now "married to another." |
FAVORITE VERSE? WHY should we need a FAVORITE verse? I have already given you hundreds saying the same thing. you are just too into satan's cult, to want its truth. so you pick and pick to try to tear down the only thing which can give you salvation. No, we need no favorite, we have the entire Word of God to teach from. and we do. It is ALL OUR FAVORITE. AND IT ALL TEACHES COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM INTO THE NEW COVENANT OF GRACE. THE LAW COVENANT IS DEAD, BROKEN IN THAT DAY, BY JESUS. ZECH. 13, ANOTHER FAVORITE. |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 8/3/2008 11:39 PM |
Verse 4, said, ye ARE BCOME DEAD TO THE LAW. Did not say dead to your old man. Said dead to the LAW. Sheep of God, flee this kind of mangling of God’s Holy Word.<FREEBORN> Yes....our old man is what goes under the baptismal waters. WE BECOME DEAD to the law. It's NOT saying the law is dead. Huge difference. The reason WE become dead to the law is because we have been justified by Jesus' sacrifice. We strive to no longer TRANSGRESS the law from a rebellious disobedient heart. We are converted Christians led by God's Holy Spirit. A believer does not need the law on written stones because that law is now written in their HEART. We obey God's commandments because we now understand that they are for our own good. NOT because we think we can earn our salvation or because we think the law saves us. A Christian lives by God's standards. So..yes....Paul is right when he says...WE are dead to the law. He is NOT saying the law is dead. DOVEY |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 8/3/2008 11:47 PM |
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Yes once we are justified we are delivered from the penalty of the law. The law's penalty is DEATH if we transgress it. But notice what the rest of the verse is saying.... Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law,that being dead,therein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Who is dead?? The law??? No! WE are dead...remember? Our old rebellious self. Now that we are justified we will SERVE IN THE NEWNESS OF SPIRIT. We obey God from a converted heart. That is serving in the newness of spirit. DOVEY |
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Dovey, If you had truth, you would not need to add to God's word, or change his Word. Show me one verse of Scripture which say, we are still under the law, but delivered from the penalty of it? I say it is not in God's word. You keep harping these same old lies. Have you not one single proof of your beliefs? No of course you do not, because there is none. You are in a religion which says that Christ died in vain, for he could not give us righteousness by his spirit, but now we need to go back to law. Now if God wrote that old, first covenant on your heart, you are same as dead and lost forever. He never wrote that old covenant on anyone's heart. If it is there, your CULT wrote it there, in spite of a COMMAND FROM GOD TO LEAVE IT AND DIE TO IT. Not that it will do any good to you, for I have given you this several times. guess you never read anything I write to you. but just the same here it is again. proof that the first covenant waxed old and was done away with. He wrote the SECOND covenant on our hearts, not that first one, which is the one written on stone. When will you stop changing the Word of God and making up lies to cover up for your false cult? guess never. | For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. | | For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: | | Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. | | For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: | | And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. | | For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. | | In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. | |
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