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| From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 4/22/2004 5:55 PM | No teaching on hell fire and how Jesus taught this would be complete without this one. So read on: Lu 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; Lu 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Now this is Jesus speaking this message. He plainly showed here that this rich man had died and been buried. So do not make the mistake of saying hell is the grave. In this hell place the rich man lift up his eyes. He could still see. Is that a dead body? Of course not. He saw Abraham and talked to him, yet he was dead.
He was in torment in flames of hell. Lu 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
He said to Abraham, I am TORMENTED in this flame. FLAME. FIRE.
He was tormented. HE WAS TORMENTED. And you think I am evil to warn people to flee this horrible place? I would be evil if I did NOT WARN everyone. Repent and be baptized in Jesus name. Why take a chance with your soul? Accept the Holy Ghost. Why end up in this torment? when it is so easy and glorious to go the other way. Why let a dead, fake church deceive you into going to hell fire? Lu 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. Three times right here Jesus himself told that this rich man was TORMENTED IN HELL FIRE AND LAZARUS WAS COMFORTED. And you say you are the one following Jesus? The one loving these people? No, the one who puts down their own reputation, their own esteem among men, their name, their being looked up to, and tells people the truth. Run, repent, do anything you must to be saved in the end. Don't wind up in this horrible place of fire and torment. If you say it does not exist, then burn your Bible. If you say it is not so, then call Jesus Christ a big lie. That is what you must do to say it is not true. How can I believe this, know this, and know the one and only plan of salvation and NOT SCREAM IT TILL I DIE? what is wrong with other ministers? why are they not also upset, concerned, screaming this, helping me, trying to reach souls before it is too late? Why be so concerned about being 'looked up to'
liked?
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esteemed? How can it be worth it to you? Tell them the truth. Run, flee, roll, slobber, bloober, do what ever it takes, but get filled with the Holy Ghost. Get down to some water (outside stuff-- God did not invent indoor baptizings- it is abomination to him) anyway go to a river if possible and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins. Then seek God until he fills you with the Holy Ghost like he did at Pentecost. Then obey him the rest of your lives. Why risk going to this place of Torment? Why? Why is being baptized the right way so bad that you will risk going into hell fire to keep from doing this? Am I the only minister in this county who believes this truth? Why is no one else out there screaming this also? Do you not care that so many are being deceived into believing a lie to be damned? God help us. God help them. God raise up some ministers who really love the people, who are not concerned with their 'public image'. who will wallow in dirt if necessary to reach these souls. God help us all. Joie | |
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I'd like to back up what Jo says about the importance of baptism.
The Bible states "salvation is of the Jews" (Jn. 4:22), in the sense that the promises concerning salvation were made only to Abraham and his seed. We can only have those promises made to us if we become part of the Seed, by being baptized into Christ (Gal. 3:22-29).
Jesus therefore clearly commanded his followers: "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (which is contained in the promises to Abraham - Gal. 3:8) to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mk. 16:16). Reflection upon this word "and" reveals that belief of the Gospel alone cannot save us; baptism is not just an optional extra in the Christian life, it is a vital prerequisite for salvation. This is not to say that the act of baptism alone will save us; it must be followed by a lifetime of continued obedience to God's Word. Jesus emphasized this: "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (Jn. 3:5).
This birth "of (in the Greek, 'out of') water" refers to a person coming up out of the waters of baptism; after this, he must be born again of the spirit. This is an on-going process: "Being born again...by the Word of God" (1 Pet. 1:23). Thus it is through our continued response to the Spirit Word that we become born of the spirit .
We are "baptized into Christ" (Gal. 3:27), into his name (Acts 19:5; 8:16; Mt. 28:19). Note that we are baptized into Christ - not into any human organization. Without baptism we are not "in Christ", and therefore not covered by his saving work (Acts 4:12). Peter weaves a powerful parable around this fact: he compares Noah's ark to Christ, showing that as the ark saved Noah and his family from the judgment that came upon sinners, so baptism into Christ will save believers from eternal death (1 Pet. 3:21). Noah entering into the ark is likened to our entering into Christ through baptism. All those outside the ark were destroyed by the flood; standing near the ark or being a friend of Noah was quite irrelevant. The only way of salvation is, and was, to be inside the Christ/ark. It is evident that the second coming, which the flood foreshadowed (Lk. 17:26,27), is nearly upon us .Entry into the Christ/ark by baptism is therefore of the utmost urgency.
The early Christians obeyed Christ's command to travel across the world preaching the Gospel and baptizing; the book of Acts is the record of this. A proof of the vital importance of baptism is to be found in the way that this record emphasizes how immediately people were baptized after accepting the Gospel (e.g. Acts 8:12, 36-39; 9:18; 10:47; 16:15). This emphasis is understandable once it is appreciated that without baptism our learning of the Gospel is in vain; baptism is a vitally necessary stage to pass through on the road to salvation. In some cases the inspired record of Scripture seems to highlight how, despite many human reasons to delay baptism, and many difficulties in performing the act, it is so important that people made every effort to overcome all these things, with God's help.
The prison keeper at Philippi was suddenly plunged into the crisis of his life by a massive earthquake which completely broke up his high security prison. The prisoners had ample opportunity to escape - something which would have cost him his life. His faith in the Gospel then became real, so much so that "the same hour of the night (he) was baptized...straightway" (Acts 16:33). If anyone had an excuse to delay baptism it was him. The worst earthquake in Greece for 3,000 years, a horde of manic prisoners about to stage history's most dramatic jailbreak, and the threat of execution for neglect of duty hanging over his head, yet he saw clearly what was the one most important act to be performed in his entire life and eternal destiny. Thus he overcame the immediate problems of his surrounding world (i.e. the earthquake), the pressures of his daily employment and the intense nervous trauma he found himself in - to be baptized. Many a hesitant candidate for baptism can take true inspiration from that man. That he could make such an act of faith is proof enough that he already had a detailed knowledge of the Gospel, seeing that such real faith only comes from hearing the Word of God (Rom. 10:17 cp. Acts 17:11).
Acts 8:26-40 records how an Ethiopian official was studying his Bible while riding in a chariot through the desert. He met Philip, who extensively explained the Gospel to him, including the requirement of baptism. Humanly speaking, it must have seemed impossible to obey the command to be baptized in that waterless desert. Yet God would not give a command which He knows people cannot obey. "As they went on their way, they came unto a certain water", i.e. an oasis, where baptism was possible (Acts 8:36). This incident answers the baseless suggestion that baptism by immersion was only intended to be performed in areas where there was ample, easily accessible water. God will always provide a realistic way in which to obey His commandments.
The apostle Paul received a dramatic vision from Christ which so pricked his conscience that as soon as possible he "forthwith...arose and was baptized" (Acts 9:18). Again, it must have been tempting for him to delay his baptism, thinking of his prominent social position and the high-flying career mapped out for him in Judaism. But this rising star of the Jewish world made the correct and immediate decision to be baptized and openly renounce his former way of life. He later reflected concerning his choice to be baptized: "What things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ...I have suffered the loss of all things (i.e. the things he once saw as "gain" to him), and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ...forgetting those things which are behind (the "things" of his former Jewish life), and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize" (Phil. 3:7,8,13,14).
This is the language of an athlete straining forward to break the finishing tape. Such concentration of mental and physical endeavor should characterize our lives after baptism. It must be understood that baptism is the beginning of a race towards the Kingdom of God; it is not just a token of having changed churches and beliefs, nor is it a passive entrance into a relaxed life of easy-going adherence to a few vaguely stated Christian principles. Baptism associates us in an on-going sense with the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus (Rom. 6:3-5) - occasions full of ultimate, active change.
As a tired, spiritually triumphant old man, Paul could reminisce: "I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision" (Acts 26:19). What was true for Paul is true for all who have been truly baptized: baptism is a decision which one will never regret. All our lives we will be aware that we made the correct choice. Of few human decisions can we ever be so certain. The question has to be seriously answered: 'Why should I not be baptized?'
If you want any more guidance about how to be baptized wherever you are, please contact us at [email protected] or on this forum
Duncan & Cindy
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 4/22/2004 7:33 PM | | Jesus therefore clearly commanded his followers: "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel ( Duncan)
Good scripture here. Where was they told to go? "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel. They were not told to go over yonder to some building with 4 walls. People hell is real. Obey the gospel to day, Do as the people did when Peter preached his message on the day of Pentecost. Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 4/22/2004 9:56 PM | | How I do thank you Duncan, Cindy and Isaiah for these wonderful and truthful and necessary messages! I felt very led of God to place that message here just before I got off my computer this evening. Now I felt to come back to this. As I read what you wrote, God spoke a very urgency to my heart! He said for us to preach this mighty and needful message with all our mights. He said it is very necessary to get people aware of the need to obey this Apostolic message in our day just as they did in Paul's day. He said we are near the end, and people are so far away from this truth and in need to cleanse their souls. This is prophecy from God; not my thinking. People, all of you who have been lagging back, afraid, hesitant, read what Duncan and Isaiah told you! Quit listening to those who are leading you astray. Your soul will find darkness and utter horror for eternity if you fail to obey God's true Command to REPENT,,,BE BAPTIZED,,,,,,IN WATER,,,,,,IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHIRST,........... FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS........AND BE YE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST......ACCORDING TO ACTS 2......... THIS IS STILL THE ONLY HOPE OF SALVATION. Thank you Lord Jesus for this warning. May they all heed it. Keep preaching this message, brothers. Jesus said for us to GO INTO ALL THE WORLD. THAT IS OUR COMMISSION. WE ARE TRYING TO OBEY THIS.........WE ARE NOT SITTING IN FOUR WALLS,,,,,,,,,,TAKING IT EASY........WE ARE IN EARNEST.....TRYING TO REACH SOULS......ACROSS THE WORLD. MAY IT TAKE ROOT. Jo | Reply
| | | Jo, thanks for the encouragement! We baptized 3 people on Saturday, and tomorrow God willing I am leaving for a nonChristian country where we hope to baptize some more. Please pray for me, as the situation is not at all safe where I am going. Likely I'll be off this forum for a week or so. God bless till then | | |
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 4/23/2004 10:53 AM | | Lord Jesus, I pray for Duncan and Cindy and anyone else that goes with them into this country that know nothing about Christianity. Lord lead an guide them and protect them as they go in this country knowing not what to expect. Lord Jesus let them minister the gospel to those people there and let them witness your out pouring of the Holy Ghost as was on the day of Pentecost. Also let them minister and there be some that receives your spirit as it was when Peter preached his great message of repentance, baptism in the name of Jesus and receiving the Holy Ghost. Lord let them be able to break bread from house to house.Lord let them be overshadowed with the Holy Ghost and be their protection and guide, their footsteps in the name of Jesus Christ. Dear Lord let them have a wonderful outpouring of the spirit and let them have a good report for us when they return. Lord we know that you will do these things because we ask in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 4/23/2004 11:28 PM | | whew! I feel the Spirit in this! I feel God's Holy Presence, just as Isaiah and I used to when we worked together on our buddy thing! As I read your two messages, I felt God speaking to me. Brother Duncan, God is mightly with you. (shew!) He is going to show you marvelous things. Your stand for truth is reaching up to God. He is mightly pleased with you and your wife and your ministry, as you fearlessly speak out truth which almost no one else sees! Lord Jesus, I feel you right now moving on me to pray this for our precious brother ------- May his shadow fall upon the sick and they be healed as was manifested by our brother, Peter..........for he is preaching the same truth Peter preached........ May handkerchiefs be taken from his body and heal the sick as with our brother Paul.........for he is preaching the same truth Paul preached......... And yes, Lord, you just told me to pray the same thing for Isaiah, who is your true servant. Lord Jesus I feel you greatly right now moving on my spirit.........(shew!).....Lord Jesus, touch this mighty servant of yours, give him greater faith and may his very shadow heal sick folks.....and may he cast out devils and even raise the dead....in the mighty Name of Our Saviour and God, Jesus Christ........ And, yes Lord, You told me to pray for our sister, Spiritwalker. Lord Jesus she needs your healing touch right now. In the name of Jesus Christ, be ye healed. Be ye filled with the Holy Ghost....be ye filled with glory,,,,,,,speaking in tongues.......and go forth healing the sick by prayer and faith, which the Lord Jesus will open up greatly in you!...... And for our other sister in this work of love, Cindy, Lord Jesus give her great faith and quietness of Spirit and trust in the work you are leading them into. Comfort her, lead her, guide her, and may she be a 'Phoebe' in our day! May she lead souls into your truth and baptism in the Name of Jesus. May she reach out in faith and see miracles, for she is your daughter and willing to give of herself for your name sake and kingdom. Glory! Lord bless Little flock. Bless Pillar, Jyp, and all our other members tonight. Open their eyes to your glory and truth. In the lovely name of Jesus who has given me this prophecy. Amen. | Reply
| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/1/2004 12:32 AM | | What a joy and glory it is to go back like this and find treasure such as this thread. I had forgotten that wonderful night when God so greatly moved on my spirit to pray these prophecies for these children of God. This is a powerful thread; full of mighty messages which every soul on earth needs to hear and learn and obey. May this great group of Bottf evermore teach and hold forth this great and much needed truth in this hour. | | Reply
| | | What a joy and glory it is to go back like this and find treasure such as this thread. | | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/17/2005 7:16 PM | | Oh, I felt the Spirit again as I read the prophecy and prayer at the end of this. This is a powerful thread of messages. Sure hope it will bear fruit again. JO | Reply
| | | From: Isaiah | Sent: 8/17/2005 7:31 PM | | Me to joie. Lord Jesus, I PRAY for all of members that this anointing that is here right now touches each and everyone of them.Let them feel the same spirit as joie and my self are feeling. The Holy Ghost is so wonderful. I think you for filling me with your spirit. Let each and everone receive the same spirit. It is for everyone of them. | | |
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# 2 All of this is true, but one must remember or [realize] that it is not speaking of WATER, but of SPIRIT! ERIC
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| But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. | | Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. | | Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: | | Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: | | (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) | | Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. |
Eric, you are fighting the truth of God with your own words and rebellion to God's chosen way of salvation. The above Scripture proves that this city had been baptized in WATER, BUT HAD NOT YET RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST, OR SPIRIT. After they were baptized in water, then the Apostles came and laid hands on them and THEN they receive the Holy Ghost. So how did you receive a new message to cross what the Apostles taught and did? Where did God say he changed this plan? None of you ever give one verse proving what you say. I give plenty of Scripture proving what I say, so I guess you all think your words are above God's Word? |
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| And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? (do you think he saw spirit out there?) | | And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. | | And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. (here is more proof that it is not Spirit Baptism, for only Jesus can give this Baptism of Spirit. It is Jesus who baptizes with the Holy Ghost. But here we see that Philip baptized this man.) | | And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. |
Here is two times in this one chapter which SOLIDLY PROVES that water baptism is in literal water and that both men went down into this real water and both men came up out of this real water. It also proves that Philip preached the same message Peter and Paul preached, that water baptism is necessary for salvation. HAVE you ever read the Book of Acts? Why do you set yourself up above God's Word, to try and change God's plan of salvation? What do you have against water baptism? I say it is REBELLION TO GOD. Rebellion is the sin of witchcraft. I say you need to repent and turn to God's way, and quit choosing your own way. This way (your own way) leads to destuction. |
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