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You absolutely HAVE to obey the apostle's doctrine written in Acts in order to be saved. This is much more than my belief --- this is the word of God.

Now one thing at a time: if one could be saved by keeping those 10 commandments, I ask you WHY DID GOD CHANGE IT? WHY DID HE SEND HIS SON TO DIE AND GO TO HELL TO BRING US INTO ANOTHER COVENANT? ANOTHER WAY OF DOING THINGS; ANOTHER WAY OF LIFE?

Did you never read where Paul said, If a law could have been given which could have given life, then verily life should have come by law. But see, it is impossible for law to give life. It is impossible for keeping commandments to give life.

It takes the Spirit of God taking up abode inside us to give us life. This did not take place under that law. How are so many people missing this obvious truth? I just don't get it.

Now if one could not be saved this way then, what makes you think one can now be saved that way? Did you not read that to go back to law, causes Jesus to be of no effect to you? that this does DISPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE - THAT IT TRAMPLES THE BLOOD OF JESUS UNDER ONES FEET?

Now do you think one can be saved doing dispite to the spirit of Grace and trampling the blood of Jesus and calling it an unholy thing? That is what going back to law does.

And if you think I am wrong in saying they HATE THE NEW COVENANT, THEY HATE THE HOLY GHOST, then just watch their actions when it is brought up. Watch them sneer at speaking in tongues.

Now let me ask you this? Do you think Mary the mother of Jesus was a godly woman? Of course you do. She was.

Then tell me WHY SHE HAD TO GO TO PENTECOST AND SPEAK IN TONGUES AND BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST?

WHY DID PETER HAVE TO DO THIS? WHY DID THOSE 3,000 HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY/ AND THEN LATER THOSE 5,000. AND THOSE OTHER 118 IN THAT UPPER ROOM, WHICH INCLUDED ALL 12 APOSTLES (COUNTING THE NEW ONE.)

Why did the folks of the city of Samaria who repented at the preaching of Phillip (Acts 8) have to be baptized in Jesus name and have the apostles lay hands on them to be filled with the Ho.G? Why did the Gentiles at Cornelius' home have to do the same thing? Cornelius was a very devout man already serving God - so why did he have to do that? Because there is no other way of salvation - being good does not do the job. Keeping laws does not do the job nor does it help do the job . It undoes it.

Why did those disciples in Acts 19 have to be rebaptized and then receive the H.G. with evidence of speaking in tongues?

Now if they had to come in this way, what makes you think someone out of our day can bypass this, ignore it, sneer it and jeer it and reject it and still be saved? where is any other way taught?

Why are so many people against this glory? I tell you - because they have the spirit of satan. They are our enemies. They would cut your throat some day. They are poison snakes trying to take as many souls into hell as they can possible deceive. We are their enemies. We must stop them. or convert them.

Joie

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm, Very good post; you make me hungry for something!

The Holy Spirit is NOT LIVING in anyone except those who have obeyed the true way of Salvation taught by Peter and Paul. Those trying to come in by Moses are NOT IN.

The only way to have the witness and conviction of the Holy Spirit living in you is be Baptized in water in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and then be filled with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost exactly like recorded in Acts 2 and Acts 10.

there is no other way. If you cannot go by what Peter taught, what is this world can you go by? Jesus gave to Peter the KEYS to His Kingdom. Now those keys taught in Acts 2 and 10 are the only way to OPEN UP THAT DOOR TO HEAVEN.

I tell you in the name of the Lord, there is no other way! Keeping any certain day 'holy?' ( it is pure mockery what they call keeping it holy) will never open that door for you. Moses did NOT HAVE THAT KEY. You must come in by Peter's message or you will never get in.

Where is any other testament which did away with the one Peter and Paul brought? Where? Read Acts 19 and see that Paul taught it exactly like Peter did. They all did. If you refuse this, you are doing away with the New Testament.

Whom the Son sets free is FREE indeed. If you must worry about which day, which calander, which or what or why or how, then you are not free.

I tell you all, and you had better listen if you care for keeping the Wrath of God off you - for this is the authority of God's Holy Word.--

IF YOU MUST KEEP ANY DAY HOLY - IT HAD BETTER BE KEPT EXACTLY THE WAY MOSES TOLD THEM TO KEEP IT ---

WHAT???

ARE YOU GREATER THAN MOSES? ARE YOU GREATER THAN PETER OR PAUL?

CAN YOU JUST DECIDE YOU REJECT THE NEW T. BROUGHT BY PETER AND PAUL, REFUSE THE HOLY GHOST, AND GO BACK TO LAW-- BACK TO KEEPING MOSES LAW-- MOSES SABBATH OF SAT. AND THEN

TOTALLY REJECT THE WAY MOSES TOLD THEM TO DO IT??????? My Lord and My God. This is such FOOLISHNESS AND EVIL I DON'T KNOW ANY WORDS SUFFICENT TO CALL IT ADEQUATELY THE EVIL OF SATAN THAT IT REALLY IS.

And I tell you, if everyone of you unjoin this group today over this, so be it. I will know I have stood and told you the only truth you will ever find on the whole internet. --- that is unless they are teaching this very same thing.

anything else is LIES---- LIES--- LIES --- DECEPTION-- HELL BOUND.

if you desire to go back and keep a 7th day or a 1st day holy and refuse the holiness of receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost --- you are rejecting Jesus - Grace- salvation-- heaven--- truth---- grace-- freedom-pureness-- holiness----- you are going back to the blood of bulls & goats; doing despite to the Spirit of Grace ---- trampling under your feet the Holy Blood of Jesus --

It is so evil I cannot speak it strong enough. Get thee behind me Satan. Take all your evil lies by which you have deceived the whole world, back into hell and let them burn forever. In the Name of Jesus Christ.

Lord Jesus, I have delievered to this community the pure truth of Your Holy Word which you gave to me. Remember me in your Holy Kingdom.

Lolady go back and read all my posts on this subject - I have given complete Scripture Proof that all they say is lies -- I have showed exactly how Moses said to keep the 7th day holy. If you wish to do it, you had better get into that book of O.T. and learn the right way to do it. God will not excuse people saying they are doing it, but they do not do one thing He said to do it like. How ridiculous for people to think they are going to Keep the day - but not the way He said to keep it!!!

What gave anyone the authority or right to CHANGE THE WAY GOD TOLD MOSES TO DO THIS THING? AND YET STILL CLAIM THEY ARE DOING IT ---- FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ........

REJECTING THE NEW TESTAMENT WAY OF SALVATION ====== THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST AND WATER BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

THEY ALL HATE THIS SO MUCH, THEY PRETEND TO LOVE THE O.T. COVENANT AND KEEP IT -= YET THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THEY ALSO HATE THAT WAY!

IN THE NAME OF JESUS AND GOD, I AM TELLING YOU THE PURE TRUTH JUST LIKE IT IS -- THEY ALSO HATE THE MOSES WAY OF SABBATHING..... YES THEY DO.

TRY TO GET ONE OF THEM TO GO BY WHAT I HAVE PROVEN TO BE THE MOSES WAY OF DOING IT. AND I TELL YOU - UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE TRUTH OF THE WORD OF GOD -- THERE IS NO OTHER WAY RECORDED IN THE WHOLE BOOK.

SO TO GO BY THE PRESENT DAY ADVANTIST MOVE -(IT IS NOT A CHURCH- IT IS A CULT AND A VICIOUS ONE AT THAT)--- IS TO REJECT WHAT MOSES SAID --- TO REJECT WHAT PETER SAID- TO REJECT WHAT PAUL SAID-- TO REJECT JESUS AND ALL HE SAID

IT IS TO GO BY SOMETHING SOME WOMAN MADE UP IN HER SICK MIND WHO THEY SAY LIVED ABOUT 150 YEARS AGO. IN OTHER WORDS, LOLADY, THEY EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT ELLEN WHITE WROTE A NEW BIBLE - WHICH IS ABOVE THE ONE WRITTEN BY MOSES OR PETER OR PAUL OR JOHN OR MATTHEW ECT.

AND I TELL YOU TODAY I DON'T CARE HOW MANY OF THEM HATE ME FOR WHAT I AM SAYING RIGHT NOW - I AM TRUE TO JESUS AND TO HIS FATHER AND TO MOSES......

MOSES WILL ACCUSE THEM TO GOD - FOR MOSES SPOKE OF JESUS-- MOSES TOLD THEM TO HEAR THAT PROPHET WHEN HE COMES---- THAT PROPHET, JESUS CHANGED EVERYTHING MOSES WROTE.

BELIEVE THE N.T. SALVATION OF GO TO HELL. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. TRY KEEPING THAT OLD LAW AND YOU WILL END UP IN HELL.

JESUS SAID ----- NONE OF YOU KEEP IT! THAT IS JUST AS TRUE TODAY AS WHEN HE SPOKE. HIS WORD Is FOREVER TRUE. NONE OF YOU KEEP IT. IF YOU BREAK ONE PART, YOU ARE GUILTY OF IT ALL. YOU ARE HELL BOUND IF YOU TRY TO GO THE LAW WAY.

JO -- IN HIS GRACE.

Eric, I hope you are hungry for the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Hey where are all you Sabbath Keepers? Get in here and teach us how to do this thing. We are asking you to teach us by the Word of God how to keep that 7th day Holy. Why are you not anxious to teach us? You have told us zillions of time we need to do this and now we ask how and you will not tell us.

Ask me how to receive the Holy Ghost and I will get into the Book of Acts and teach you. Matter of fact, I have been doing it for years.

But all you do is tell us, you better keep the Sabbath day Holy. So Now I ask HOW? Where is your Scripture for how you do it. HOW DO YOU DO IT? Why are you not telling us? what is the big secret?

If you want some fun, take a look at the concordence at all the carrying on Jesus was doing with the Jews over this very matter. I had never really realized it till I got to studying this subject in seriousness to see how to keep this day Holy according to Moses and God.

Yaul all say the Pharisees had it going on; but I can't find that. It seems to me God and Moses had it going on- stoning a man for gathering up some sticks on Sat. My. I would be afraid to get into all of that .

They would stone me to death the very first week. for sure. that thing of not going out of the house on Sat. would get me killed for sure. unless it was raining REAL hard.

I might not be too interested in starting a fire or gathering sticks, but to not go out of the house all day; and have to eat yesterdays food, (wonder if it was wrong to get up and heat it up?) Do any of you know? If so ,please inform me. I could cook it on Fri. but is it alright to heat it up on Sat? Do you leave the dishes on the table till Sun?

I would be very afraid in this part of it -- for it seems to me that even getting up and walking around the kitchen to heat the food up might pass for severial work and get me stoned to death. whew! it is scarry to even think about.

I know me - I'd be done forgot and go out that door and get to picking up those sticks out there so me can cut grass; I 'd probable be so stupid ( after all, lots of people keeps telling me that me is stupid) that I'd get out there cutting grass on Sat. and get meself stoned to death.

LoLady, is you afraid of this stuff too? I sure is. Makes me weak all over to think about having to make sure I dont fix food on Sat.

(sure glad I is in Grace)

Wonder what Jesus meant when he said, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath? Do you Sabbath keepers know? If so, please tell me.

He sure had a hard time of this matter with those Jews who were so devoted to that Sat business.

Now here's some strong stuff:

Mark 3

1. And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
6. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

v2--they are eyeing Jesus to see if he heals on the sabbath (see, they is afraid of God stoning them to death and bring his wrath on them for breaking that Holy day)

they wanted to accuse Jesus as I get accused so much........

v4--He is debating with them......... Is is lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? (might killed by stoning if you pick up a stick)

v5--Jesus became angry at the because of their HARD HEART (see that law in their heart made it hard)

v6-- then the Jews took counsel to get him destroyed ----- WHY? HE BROKE THEIR 7TH DAY SABBATH RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM --- JUST PLAIN OUT DEFIED THEM AND IT AND HEALED THAT MAN ---- WORKING ON THAT DAY.

I LOVE YOU JESUS. PRAISE GOD YOU TOOK US OUT FROM UNDER THAT HORRIBLE STUFF OF BEING STONED TO DEATH FOR ANY WORK ON SAT.

WHEW!!! tHANK GOD FOR THAT.

Now you talking, that is the only thing that I'm full of!

I just luvs you!

Cheese [smile]

Joi:

I can not understand that with a so simple gospel that there is so much diversity in Christian world today only to realise that Satan is really the ruler of this earth. And the simple gospel of Jesus Christ is misrepresented by false teachers in this world.

"bringing the message of hope for a troubled world"

1. God loves you:

Jeremiah 31:3 I have always loved you, I continue to show My constant love.

2. He gave us a love gift"

John 3:16 For God so loved the world so much that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him may not die but have eternal life.

3. God loves sinners:

Romans 5:8,9. But God has shown us how much He loves us. It was while we were still sinners that Christ died for us.

4. We cannot earn eternal life:

Romans 3:23. Everyone has sinned and is far away from God's saving presence.

5. The penalty of our sin is already paid for.

2 Corinthians 5:21 Christ was without sin, but for our sake God made Him share our sin in order that in union with union with Him share the righteousness of God.

6. Forgiveness is now:

1 John 1:9 But if we confess our sins to God, He will keep His promise and do what is right: He will forgive us our sins and purify us from all our wrongdoing. (sin is disobeying God's commandments)

7. Any sin can be forgiven:

Isaiah 1:18 The Lord says, "Now let's settle the matter, You are stained red with sin, But I will wash you as clean as snow, Although your stains are deep red you will as with as snow.

8. Even our own goodness is bad:

Isaiah 64:6: All our righteousness are as filthy rags; all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities like the wind have taken us away.

9. The gift is ours if we accept Jesus:

John 1:12 Some, however, did receive Him and believed in Him; so He gave them the right to become God's children.

10. We will be saved:

Romans 10:9,10. If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised Him from death, you will be saved. For it is by faith that we are put right with God; it is by our confession that we are saved.

A simple prayer of reception:

Lord I'm a guilty sinner. I believe Jesus died for my sin and loves me. I accept your Son into my life now, I will confess Him as my Saviour. Thank you Lord for the gift of eternal life.

Jack.

Sabbath.

Saturday or Sunday why is it so important?

Saved by grace through faith alone.

I believe God's grace is all the way from accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and saviour to entering the kingdom of God in heaven.

John 14:15-17. Jesus said:

If you love me you will obey my commandments.

This is the dispute in the Christian world today. Which are God's commandments?

The answer is in Malachi 4:4,5. Remember the teachings of my servant Moses and commandments which I gave him at Mount Sinai for all the people to obey.This is mentioned as a warning to the whole world to go back to Him and His 10 commandments.

Just before His return. Read Amos 2:7

God will do nothing without revealing His plan to His servants, the prophets.

But if you do keep those commandments Jesus said"

I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, (The Holy Spirit) He will stay with you for ever.

He is the Spirit who reveals the truth about God. (The Holy Spirit is the teacher for every believer)

The world cannot see him or know him. But you know him.(Because you obey his commandments and intend to follow Him where ever He goes.Revelation 14:1-5

He has the key to eternal life and able to give the power to do the will of God) Because He remains with you and is in you. You cannot fail.

In this very important subject that could de-term your access to the Holy Spirit and clearly seen in the world

The whole world is deceived and Christianity shattered as foretold by Jesus that it would happen.

Today make sure that you uphold the right set of Ten commandments. If not the world is sliding more and more backward to there final destruction.

God can and will never condemn you by keeping His Ten commandments as given to Moses Malachi 4:4,5.

But if you disobey Him your eternal life I believe is in great danger.

Who will you serve God or the anti Christ.

Jack.

The answer is in Malachi 4:4,5. Remember the teachings of my servant Moses and commandments which I gave him at Mount Sinai for all the people to obey. ( Jack)

Isaiah

The answer is in Malachi 4:4,5. Remember the teachings of my servant Moses and commandments which I gave him at Mount Sinai for all the people to obey.

Well then Peter sure told it wrong didn't he, Jack? and so did Paul. Paul must the world's worst deceiver. For He wrote in the Scriptures that if you go back to that law, Christ is OF NO EFFECT TO YOU. AND YOU FALL FROM GRACE.

Know ye not that Grace is not possible under law? OK then just go on believing your salvation is by keeping ten commandments of the OT and ignore the precious two of the NT.

Now I ask you where did any apostle ever tell people to pray any 'acceptance' prayer and that is salvation?

This is the most dangerour form of deception in this whole world. Just think how many inocent, seeking souls have been led to miss the true salvation taught in Acts by this insideous lie. Besides how can the NT be told to go back to the Ot? Then why let Jesus come here and die? Why bring in a new Covenant if we must go back to the old?

Hey Jack; You know your bible pretty well.

Now Eric, Paul showed in all his Epistles that almost the entire church world had gone back to law even in his day. So to say Jack was never under law is certainly a mistake. In fact Jack has never been under grace. Most all of the church has never been under grace.

This is the whole problem, they fell from grace and went back to law. Now it is true that God never intended for them to be under law, but they willfully chose to refuse Grace and live under law.

Do you not hear [hear] Jack and all the others screaming daily that we must go back to law and live under those ten commandments? Sure, that is all they know. It seems to be all they wish to know.

Know who they believe? Ellen White who only followed what the popes handed down. Maybe a little variation here and there.

but the truth of it is all who are on the wrong foundation will fall no matter what else they believe. Paul said unless you receive a love for the truth, you will believe a strong delusion and be damned. This is where they all are. They think Jesus died to put us back under law. They think they can claim to keep the law, especially the 7th day Sabbath, BUT TOTALLY IGNORE HOW MOSES TOLD THEM TO KEEP IT, AND BECAUSE JESUS DIED, THEY WILL NOT BE HELD GUILTY.

boy talk about delusions, This is one GIANT DELUSION.

I hear you my Green picker and ummmm cooker.

Yes I hear them, I know you and others are working a work.

For some reason I was inspired, and thought maybe Jack might see, with a new tea. [ how you like that ].

Anytime I read Exdous, I understand why some people run back to slavery or Egypt.

Some people have been tricked so long, they fear freedom.

Fear not, I love the Messiah, I will join the others and walk you to Grace, for it is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet and a blessing to be free!

Hold on me smells me sum greens, can't talk now gotttttttttttta goes to Jo!

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

For some reason I was inspired, and thought maybe Jack might see, with a new tea. [ how you like that ].[eric]

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