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| From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 11/13/2003 1:24 AM | OK. Now let's let this community see who has the truth of this matter. Let the one who proves how to keep the Sabbath Holy by the Word of God be the one who has God teaching them truth. I am on my way. Care to join me? Now I am studying this throughly. I am going to post quite a few Scriptures PROVING HOW GOD WANTS THE SABBATH KEPT HOLY. I tell you, if you are still under obligation to keep that 7th day, you are ALSO BOUND TO KEEP ALL THE OTHER SABBATHS. THE SAME GOD WHO SAID KEEP THE 7TH DAY SABBATH ALSO SAID KEEP THESE OTHER SABBATHS. WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THIS? DO YOU KEEP ALL OF THEM? HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY BY THE WORD, NOT KEEPING THE OTHERS, IF YOU DO NOT? Leviticus 23 1. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
4. These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
5. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
6. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
(this throws this day to fall on the first day of the week, Sunday.)the 14th day and the 15th day could not both be on a sat.
9. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11. And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
12. And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the Lord. (this types Jesus)
13. And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
14. And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
15. And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16. Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.
Do you know why they were told in verse 16 to number fifty days and offer a NEW MEAT OFFERING UNTO THE LORD? Because this thing TYPED the coming of the true meat offering to God, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost! It came 50 days AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS. That is why! It was ONLY TYPES AND SHADOWS! SO WHY CONTINUE TO KEEP THE SHADOWS WHEN THE REAL THING HAS COME? If you are under a command to keep the weekly Sabbath, you are also under a command to keep this one on the 5oth day (which by the way falls on the first day of the week)- And if you still keep this type of Pentecost, it PROVES YOU DID NOT GET TO THE REAL PENTECOST. AND IF YOU REFUSE THIS, YOU HAVE NO SALVATION. 23. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
24. Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25. Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
26. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
27. Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
28. And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.
29. For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30. And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31. Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32. It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
33. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
34. Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord.
35. On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (this one falls on Sunday)
36. Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
(the 8th day is a Sunday)
37. These are the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38. Beside the sabbaths of the Lord, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the Lord.
Now there are some more Sabbaths you are to keep and rest in and do no work in. Do you keep these Sabbaths? If not, where is your excuse? Where is your Scripture showing you are free from these Sabbaths, but not free from the weekly Sabbath? You are guilty of twisting too much Scripture. There are actually more Sabbaths down through here which fall on the 1st day of the Week (Sunday) than the 7th day sabbath. So where do you stand? They are just as much commandments from God as the other. No where in this reading is any Pharisees mentioned. It said at the beginning of each new thought God commanded Moses - God said to Moses- People, this is God's Word; not the word of the Pharisees. Where did you all get this lame excuse to do away with the real way of keeping it Holy? You are running away from God and truth. Look at v.36-- there again a Sabbath fell on the first day of the Week. Do you keep it? You had better - the same God who commanded the 7th day rest, also demanded rest on this day. All of this business CLEARLY types the coming of the true rest, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost on Pentecost SUNDAY. You cannot deny that this day fell on a Sunday. For it was 7 Weekly sabbaths, then one more day, making 50 days, which throws the true Sabbath, Pentecost to fall on a SUNDAY. What you gonna do about this? (you see, I am not ignorant about Sabbaths as you all thought I was.) Now I want some discussion on each of these topics and new threads I have made from our old discussion of this subject. I want all of you adventist and law people to get in here and study this thing out and be truthful with God and His word. If not then you say to God his truth is not important and you will be lost. I have warned you and warned you. It is serious; I am not joking or jesting with you. Nothing is more serious. without honesty and truth With God, You have no chance for salvation; only a fearful looking to of fiery indignation from an angry God who will DEVOUR THE ADVERSARY. Unless you love truth and study to find truth, you are his ADVERSARY. JO Smith | |
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La 2:5 The Lord was as an enemy: he hath swallowed up Israel, he hath swallowed up all her palaces: he hath destroyed his strong holds, and hath increased in the daughter of Judah mourning and lamentation. La 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest. La 2:7 The Lord hath cast off his altar, he hath abhorred his sanctuary, he hath given up into the hand of the enemy the walls of her palaces; they have made a noise in the house of the LORD, as in the day of a solemn feast. La 2:8 The LORD hath purposed to destroy the wall of the daughter of Zion: he hath stretched out a line, he hath not withdrawn his hand from destroying: therefore he made the rampart and the wall to lament; they languished together. La 2:9 Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD. Study all of Lamentations. Then if you really desire to get to the truth of this matter, take some time and study the series of messages I wrote on the Fall of the OT. It is a message which God revealed to me from just one verse in Lamentations. Someone has surely led you astray and you seem very nice. I would love to see you brought into the true LIGHT of the NT. Notice verse six. It was the LORD who caused their solemn feasts and Sabbaths to be forgotten in ZION. It was the LORD who despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest. It was the LORD who hath cast off his altar, he hath abhorred his sanctuary, he hath given up into the hand of the enemy the walls of her palaces; they have made a noise in the house of the LORD, as in the day of a solemn feast. It was the LORD who said in another prophet that he HATED their SOLEMN feasts and meetings. It gave this over into the hands of their ENEMIES, which is the NEW TESTAMENT MINISTERS AND SAINTS. God cut that old way of the old law completely OFF and will never, ever set it up again. It was destroyed that at Calvary, as Jesus became our salvation, our Rest, our redeemer, and our king, and our one and only LAW. To deny this, is to do despite to the blood of Jesus and his spirit of Grace, which is the HOLY GHOST. It was NEVER given to those people under that old law. They never, ever had the Holy Ghost. Why? Why? Seek for the truth. Verse nine ..--the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD. Read that verse--- THE LAW IS NO MORE; HER PROPHETS FIND NO VISION FROM THE LORD----because he cut them OFF FOREVER. You have gone back to a dead, killed-by-God old covenant. Jo |
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Dovey, Prove to me that the Sabbaths and holy days that are listed in Lev. 23 were directed to Gentiles? Tweety |
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Ok Dovey Here is Lev. 23: Leviticus 23:1-44 (KJV)
23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
13 And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
18 And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
19 Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
20 And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
21 And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.
23 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
26 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
33 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
44 And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD. This was given to the people of Israel. NOT GENTILES. Whoever taught that the Gentiles had to keep something that WAS NOT for them is NOT OF GOD. AND CAN NOT FOLLOW HIS WAYS. ARE YOU OF THE JEWISH FAITH? THEY ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT GOD SAID THIS TO. Tweety
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/1/2008 8:07 AM |
La 2:9 Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD.<FREEBORN> Do you realize that Lamentations is talking about Israel's disobedience TO GOD'S LAW???? In verse 13, you will see that there is a BREACH of contract. A "Break" if you will from God's Covenant. The breaking of, or failure to observe a law or contract or standard. We have a covenant, a contract, with God, and He has given us a standard, the TEN COMMANDMENTS. This sounds a great deal like I John 3:4: "Sin [which separates, creates a breach] is the transgression of the law." So posting Lamentations 2 is not proving that God has destroyed His holy Commandments. It only proves that by transgressing His Commandments we create a BREACH, the breaking of, or failure to observe His Commandment. God's moral standards for a Christian to live by. DOVEY |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/1/2008 8:34 AM |
Tweety: Salvation was to the Jew first. Was it not? Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph. Same God. Our Lord does not change. Hbr 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. I'm assuming of course that you all believe Jesus is God. So, if there is any changing to be done it will have to be those called to repentance. NOT GOD! God's ways are perfect and holy. They don't need to be eliminated or taken away. Through Scripture we can see that Israel as a nation was called by God to be an example to the rest of the nations in the world. They were under God's authority. They were to live in God's ways. If Israel had obeyed God, they would have been the greatest nation in the world. However, we all know that Israel as a nation failed. WHY???? because they were unable to live by God's standards. This proves that humans without God's Spirit are carnal minded and Scripture tells us that the "carnal mind is at emnity towards God's law".....Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be God is now calling out individuals from this sinful world's ways. He is calling people from all nations to repent and to submit to Him. Same God...Same Lord...Same Commandments...Same Godly Standards. God offers His Holy Spirit upon repentance and baptism. Those who are led by God's Spirit, will desire to obey God ( not of their own strength but with the help of God's spirit in them). Hence, God says : Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Remember now..Israel as a nation ..as a people did not have God's Spirit indwelling. So this is talking about those God would be calling to repentance in the future. DOVEY |
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aND THE reason they did not have God's spirit????/ Because they were under that LAW OF BONDAGE, IN REBELLION TO GODS TRUE way of life, which has always been GRACE. Law came by MOSES........but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Now tell me, where did Jesus Christ, (God's Son, not God), who was giving us God's true word, where did he say, keep the seventh day sabbath holy? Where did he say that? I want to read it. If not, why did he not say that, since we are to live by only what he taught? God said those old israelites never were given REST. why? Because they sought it by the works of the LAW. That is what you are doing. You say baptism....but do you teach it as the Apostles did?//// In Jesus' name? for the remission of sins? Those who are LED BY GOD'S SPIRIT ARE NOT UNDER LAW. You really do need to go study Galations: | But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. | |
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Ga 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Ga 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. |
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Ga 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? Ga 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. Ga 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. |
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Ga 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. Ga 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. Did you not know that there are TWO DIFFERENT COVENANTS? THEY ARE CERTAINLY NOT OF THE SAME LAW. I showed you where Hebrews said there had to be a change in the LAW, for Jesus to have his priesthood. He is not running his covenant by that old law, which came from mt SINAI. surely you know that this is the law of Moses, written and engraven on stone? Surely you know enough to know that this covenant from SINAI is the one given to Moses? Look what this Scripture calls that covenant --- bondage....the bond children....which is the Jerusalem which now is......which you are so into. You are not of the freewoman, not of the free children. God's word says to CAST OUT THE BONDCHILD, FOR THAT BONDCHILD SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE FREECHILD. WHAT IS THE THING THEY ARE HEIR TO? ETERNAL LIFE. You do cut yourself out of eternal life, by placing yourself as part of that bondchild. now if you think this is not correct, then you explain these scriptures in Galations, else call God's word a total farse and lie. JO |
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Wonder why you who speak only of one thing, = keeping sabbath, never speak about the other nine commandments? Surely they are much more important.....such as do not kill. do not steal. do not bear false witness against anyone......why do you all not preach on these important things sometimes? All I ever hear from adventist is keep sabbath. and yet they do nothing which Moses commanded concerning how to do this. Why is this? dovey, can you answer these things for us and tell us how to keep that day holy? Sure would appreciate it. Any other adventist in here? If so, any of you answer for us. Jo |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/6/2008 1:16 AM |
aND THE reason they did not have God's spirit????/ Because they were under that LAW OF BONDAGE, IN REBELLION TO GODS TRUE way of life, which has always been GRACE. Law came by MOSES........but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Now tell me, where did Jesus Christ, (God's Son, not God), who was giving us God's true word, where did he say, keep the seventh day sabbath holy? Where did he say that?<FREEBORN> No. The reason they were unable to obey God's commandments/laws is because they didn't have God's Spirit indwelling. God doesn't ask us to disobey His Commandmnts inorder to give us of His Spirit. That is not what the Bible says..and it's totally contradictory. Doesn't make sense. God's Law doesn't cause bondage or disobedience. Transgressing it .....disobeying it....is what causes SIN. The true Christian life is through Jesus under Grace. Our Christian walk is possible because of Jesus' sacrifice and God's Grace ( undeserved pardon from transgession of the law). Being Christian is not a lawless life. It's a life of OBEDIENCE towards God. The Law was GIVEN to Moses BY GOD! IT's God's law. Jesus OBEYED the 4th Commandment. That should be enough of an example to us. He kept the true intent of the Sabbath and rebuked the erroneous example of the Pharisees. The Pharisees & Scribes ADDED too many of their rules and regulations that they ended up breaking God's true Sabbath. Jesus pointed that out to them Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition LOVE DOVEY |
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| And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. | | When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. | | And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. | | And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. | | But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. | | And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. | | And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. | | And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; | | And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. | | Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? | | But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. | | Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. | | And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: | | Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. | | And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, | | After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: | | That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. | | Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. | | Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: | | But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. | | For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. | | Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: | | And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: | | Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: | | It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, | | Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. | | We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. | | For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; | | That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. | | So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: | | Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation. | | And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them. | | And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles. | | Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still. | | Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also. | | And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. | | And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark. | | But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work. | | And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus; | | And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God. | | And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches. | |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/6/2008 4:18 AM |
Exactly...it was about the law of CIRCUMCISION...in none of those verses..or in the context of those verses do you see anything about God's 7th day sabbath. Or any of the other commandments. It was about the law of circumcision which some Jews were telling the Gentiles they needed to do inorder to be saved. That is what was addressed. No type of lawkeeping Saves..that was the point. However, to say that Paul was teaching disobedience towards the Commandment is inserting something that is NOT in those verses. Belief in Jesus' sacrifce is needed to be justified. We are then FREE to obey God from the heart. God wants circumcison from the Heart..remember? He wants us to obey from the heart. NOt because we think the law saves. Nothing there about eliminating God's Ten commandments. DOVEY |
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Good gracious , dovey. Are you that set upon destroying your own soul? why do you reject the very truth before your very eyes, and accept this kind of foolish, man-made lie? READ ACTS 15........GOODNESS GRACIOUS....READ IT 10 TIMES....READ GALATIONS 15 TIMES.....READ 11COR 3 20 TIMES. PERHAPS THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT IS REALLY SAYING? but I doubt it. |
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Why I keep trying, I do not know. You obviously do not want any truth. but just the same, I will give you this one last try: Ga 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Ga 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Ga 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. Ga 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? I am tired of working my head off trying to help you all learn the right way of salvation. if you with to know some truth, read the above. I am not going to sit here, as I normally do, and separate it for you. If you think that you now need to go back to law, after being justified by grace, you are under the spell of the devil himself. Paul makes that very plain in the above. but if you love darkness rather than light, this much, then go ahead,...and hold that darkness to you forever. you do not want any truth, that is very plain to see. |
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