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OK....I admit...I was wrong about the Jesus name thing..... Here read this.....Tweety

Christian Exercise of the Power of Attorney

All Christians are commanded to use the name of Jesus in salvation (Matt. 1:21; Acts 4:12); in baptism (Matt. 28:19); in healing (Acts 3:6-7, 16); in preaching (Luke 24:47; Acts 8:12); in miracles (Acts 3:16; 4:30; Mark 9:29); in judgment (1 Cor. 5:1-5); in appeals to others (1 Cor. 1:10); in prayer (John 14:12-15; 16: 23-26); in faith and repentance (John 1:12; 3:18; Acts 10:43); in praise (Heb. 13:15); in all gatherings (Matt. 18:20); in consecration (Matt. 19:29); in charity (Mark 9:41); in singing (Rom. 15:9); in combat (Mark 16:17; Luke 10:17; Eph. 6:10-18), and in all things (Col. 3:17; Eph. 5:20).

The name of Jesus and free use of His name is the church's deposit. Definite contact with God must be made and faith in the name exercised, and authority as a child of God to write checks on the Bank of Heaven must be settled before any believer can properly use the name of Jesus. Sinners have no right to use His name except in repentance (Acts 2:21; 10:43; Luke 24:47). Sinners cannot perform miracles in His name (Acts 19:11-20). Any believer can use His name in all the ways mentioned above. No special faith is necessary to use His name. Just simple, ordinary, child-like faith in God and the work of Christ is all that is necessary to get what one wants. "Have faith in God .... shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith .... What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them" (Mark 11:22-24; Matt. 21:21-22).

The theory that faith is not necessary to use the name of Jesus and get what is asked is not scriptural. Faith is necessary in every thing we ask of God (Heb. 11:6; James 1:5-8). The fact that no special faith is emphasized in certain passages or that faith is not mentioned at all in some promises does not mean that faith is not necessary. One must learn to study and believe all Scriptures on a subject and obey all of them if he wants results in asking and receiving from God.

Let us illustrate the necessity of faith and the exercise of the power of attorney. A number of years ago a man gave me a blank check to write in any amount that I needed to buy the best overcoat I could find. In this case I did not know how much the man had in the bank or how much he expected me to pay for a coat. He put no limit on the amount, I was to buy the best coat in town, or what I wanted. I was timid and backward and was afraid that if I filled in the check for too much he would not like it and would not give me anything else. I wrote out a check for $18.50 and got the cheapest coat in town. It was a good coat but not the best. If I had it to do over again I would not hesitate to get what I wanted and what he really wanted me to have; but fear of what he might think if I took advantage of his generous offer kept me from getting what I could have got. That is the situation with the average Christian and God.

There can be no doubt about how much is on deposit to our name in Heaven. There can be no doubt that there is plenty for all, but we are fearful that we will bankrupt God and the universe if we ask for what we really want. We get according to our faith and according to the amount we write a check for and no more. The divine cashier always honors checks signed in the name of Jesus by any believer. Many times we go without because we do not write enough.

A number of years ago in California a woman prayed for $50,000.00 to build some rest homes for missionaries. She prayed until she had the assurance from God that her prayer was answered. She had one lot that was vacant; so one day a man came to the door and asked if she would lease this lot to him to drill an oil well on. The Lord spoke to her, saying this was the answer to her prayer. She leased the lot and retained royalty rights. A well was drilled and produced oil until she had exactly the amount she prayed for. Then the well went dry. She got exactly what she had faith for. This is always the case. Jesus said, "according to your faith be it unto you" (Matt. 9:29). Anyone can sign a check on the Bank of Heaven for what he wants, or he can sign one for his bare needs, and he will receive as he believes God (Ps. 84: 11; Mark 11:22-24).

Christ and the early church used the power of God and showed all men how to ask and receive and how to use the power of attorney. They wrought miracles and signs among the people, and this gave them many doors of opportunity to win souls. It gave them authority in their calling and an open door in the communities where divine works were done, with the exception of but a few places where early Christians avers rejected. They believed in God and manifested the supernatural in confirming what was preached.

Every born-again Christian has the right to use this name to get what he wants. The weakest child of God will be honored by God if He serves Jesus Christ and continues in the light of God's Word. Healing, health, salvation from sin and habits, and material blessings of all kinds are for all in abundance. All that Jesus was, His name still is to the believer. Very few are availing themselves of all this power, but if Jesus tarries very long and this message gets out among Christians, they will begin to see the truth and will practice it. The time will come when multitudes of people will understand the secret of faith in God and will use their power of attorney and do great and mighty things in the name of Jesus.

You who read these lessons should be openhearted and believing; you should seek God and build up faith in the Christian's power of attorney. Let us all realize that Satan is a defeated foe and is helpless before the power and might of the name of Jesus when it is invoked by faith in the heart. Sicknesses and sins and all the results of the fall have been conquered by Jesus Christ. At His rebuke they all must give way. May God open our eyes to the blessings in store for all who will accept the truth and truly exercise faith in the name of Jesus and in the gospel of the New Testament.

The Christian's power of attorney includes authority to do the works of Christ and greater works than He did (John 14:12-14). It covers everything God has promised in all the hundreds of wonderful and unlimited promises. It covers every need in this life and that which is to come (2 Cor. 1:20; 2 Pet. 1:3-4; 1 Tim. 4:8).

It is appalling how far the church has backslidden and got away from the New Testament program. The true spiritual life and power with God is very little understood by the best Christians of today. One would think by listening to the average preacher today that the devil has gone out of business. The sooner we wake up in the modern church and believe that the heavenlies are filled with demons who seek to defeat every believer and hinder every prayer, the sooner we will take up arms against them and co-operate with God against them.

In dealing with demon spirits we must be clean Christians and free from sin or they will mock us if we try to cast them out. We must also know the power of the name of Jesus and we must know how to use this name. We must take a definite stand against them in His name and refuse to be defeated by them. Whatever the need, it can be supplied in the name of Jesus. The enemy that hinders us from getting this need supplied must be resisted and He will flee. James said, "Resist the devil and he will flee from you" (James 4:7). We must understand that we are representatives of God and that we are taking the place of Christ in this world to cast out demons. Christ has taken our place before the Father to represent us and defeat Satan who accuses the saints before God day and night. We are acting in Christ's stead on Earth as He is acting in our stead in Heaven. The believer's position in Christ gives him a standing before God that Christ had when He was here. We rebuke demons and heal the sick in His place and at His command. We are in Christ and Christ is in us, and M c have the right to legally represent Him on Earth.

Christianity began in miracles and is propagated by miracles. Its founder was a miraculous man and a miracle worker. His every phase of life and death was miraculous. His resurrection guarantees the continuance of miracles. Every new birth, every prayer answered, and every victory in the Christian life is a miracle. When reasonings and questionings about Christianity take the place of faith and power. Christianity becomes fruitless and dead. Christianity is the life of God in man through Christ; it is the power of the Holy Spirit through faith in the work of Christ on the cross. Man craves the miraculous and the man that can produce divine works gets a great following. Men are easily deceived by demons and by counterfeit miracles because of the natural human hunger for the power of God. What a pity! Men are turning from the miracle-working Christ to demon powers, and the church is asleep not even knowing what is happening. When anyone seeks to bring the power of Christianity back to the churches he is cast out as a fanatic and a deceiver by the average church. If we take the power of God out of Christianity we have only a form of godliness (2 Tim. 3:5).

The Bible is a record of miracles, and the man that can produce them gets the crowds, whether he is false or true. This love of the miraculous is not a mark of ignorance but man's longing for the spiritual power that comes with knowing God and hungering for God. Every revival in any generation has produced miracles. Education does not eliminate the desire for the miraculous. That desire is only intensified as education reveals how dependent upon the unseen man is. It is not a mark of scholarship to deny the miraculous. It is the mark of a fool. An outpouring of the Spirit in any community today will produce a revival of miracles. All normal men crave the supernatural, and no man is satisfied until he finds God in reality in His life.

The miracle element in men has caused them to invent, discover, investigate and experiment with the unseen laws all about us. This is why we have so many wonderful things in modern times. The miracle realm is man's natural realm. He is by nature a creature created to experience the supernatural in various ways. Men are again coming to know that faith and trust in God in simply conscious living in the realm of God through Jesus Christ.

The name of Jesus stands for justice, love, righteousness, holiness peace, power, influence, happiness, liberty, life, light, joy, friendship, judgment, salvation, home, Heaven, and all that is good. It has been the greatest name of all ages among men. Some have died for it and some have hated it enough to be damned because of it. It is the hope of the world and the joy of all saints.

The most wonderful truth for saints is that of the free and unreserved use of His name to carry on the work of God in the Earth and to act in His stead among men in defeating sin and Satan. Think of it! A human being-just an ordinary believing one- given the full power of attorney to act in the place of God in the world! Men are the only visible agents of God in the world. Why should not God desire them to fully represent Him with great power and authority to prove to men that God is great and powerful? From the way the average man represents God among men, it would seem that Satan is greater and more powerful than God. All arguments from these weak and failing representatives of God are not convincing to unbelievers that God is the greatest.

The purpose of the power of attorney and its normal use among men is to confirm the Word of God and prove to men that God is the Supreme Being of the universe. All representatives of God should be like Paul, who said to the Romans, 'I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient BY WORD AND DEED, through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God ... I have fully preached the gospel of Christ .... And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fullness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ" (Rom. 15:18-19, 29). He said to the Corinthians, "I will come unto you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power. FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NOT IN WORD, BUT IN POWER" (1 Cor. 4:18-20).

The proper use of the name of Jesus will heal the sick, cast out devils, make one immune to poisons, give one an answer to every prayer, give health and prosperity, and will perform miracles and defeat all the powers of the devil. God never intended there should ever be a change made either in His methods of preaching or of confirming His Word.

The disciples before the cross used His name to defeat Satan (Matt. 10: 1-20; Mark 6:7-13; Luke 9:1-6; 10:1-20). Even men who did not follow the apostolic band did miracles in the name of Jesus (Luke 9:48-50). These disciples were commanded to use His name to get whatever they wanted (John 14:12-15; 15:16; 16:23-26). They used His name after the cross and turned the world upside down (Acts 2:38-39; 3:6-16; 4:5-18, 29-30; 5:12-16, 28, 41; 8:12; 9:15-17, 27-29; 16:16-18; 19:11-20; 26:9).

Not only do the gospels and the book of Acts teach the Christian's use of the power of attorney, but in all the epistles we have scores of references as to how believers are to use the name of Jesus in every phase of life (1 Cor. 1:2, 10; 5:4; 6:11; Eph. 5:20; Phil. 2:5-11; Col. 3:17; 2 Thess. 1:11-12, 3:6; Heb. 13:15; James 2:7; 5:14; 1 Pet. 4:14; 1 John 2:12; 3:23; 5:13). In 2 Thess. 1:11-12 we have a prayer that the name of Jesus should be glorified in saints. How can we glorify His name other than in the way the early church did? The name of Jesus was preached among the heathen, and it wrought such miraculous things that multitudes turned to God. They represented His name and used it to defeat all demon powers. This name became the center of all work for God. This should be the place His name holds in all modern church work. When this becomes true again men will have and use the Christian's power of attorney.

—Dake's Topics

To baptize in the name of Jesus only in preference to the authorization given in Mt. 28:19 upon the basis of mere inference that because all three names are not used in Acts they are not to be used, is subject to the judgment of God. Cannot Mt. 28:19 be obeyed as well as Acts? We could not obey both if we followed some sects, but we can and we must obey both if we obey God, for both Matthew and Acts are the Word of God, and both must be obeyed (2 Tim. 3:16-17). Anyone obeying Mt. 28:19 automatically obeys Acts, but to interpret and obey Acts to mean that we should baptize in the name of Jesus only, is to disobey Mt. 28:19. In other words, in baptizing by the authority of the three in Mt. 28:19, we automatically obey Acts, but if we baptize by the authority of Jesus only we dishonor the other two in Mt. 28:19 and we become direct transgressors of Mt. 28:19. Obeying Acts and disobeying Mt. 28:19 is not excusable to intelligent people. Even if we were to obey Acts only as the true mode of baptism, then which passage in Acts shall we take as the true baptism formula, for all passages differ in wording?

The “Jesus-only�?sect, who contend that baptism should be only in Jesus' name, and who deceitfully prey upon honest and ignorant souls, may claim they obey Mt. 28:19, but they never obey it; they never recognize it in baptism; and they always re-baptize those who have been baptized according to Mt. 28:19. If they claim to obey Mt. 28:19, then insist that they baptize you this way and see how they back down in their claim and see a concrete example of deliberate rejection of part of the Bible. Could not Jesus have said in Mt. 28:19 what Jesus-only people teach, if that is really what He meant to say? If He did not say what they teach, then that is not what He means, and we had better reject their fallacy on baptism and obey Mt. 28:19. We must either reject this false teaching or reject God. One cannot believe and obey both, for they are just the opposite of each other.

The preposition “of�?and the conjunction “and�?repeated each time before each of the three names in Mt. 28:19 further prove three separate persons. If one would say “a gift of John and of James and of George�?he means a gift from three persons, not one. Jesus did not say baptize upon the authority of His name only, but also in the name of, or by the authority of, the Father and of the Holy Ghost. He did not tell them to do this until He came back in ten days as the Holy Ghost, as Jesus-only people teach, but He did say, “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you . . . even unto the end of the world.�?There would have been no better time than right here for Jesus to have frankly told the disciples that He was the only God and the Father and the Holy Ghost and all of God, but instead He revealed three separate persons in the Godhead.

6. EVERLASTING FATHER. Some sects argue that “Father�?is not a name; yet they certainly contend that “the everlasting Father�?is a name of Jesus and try to prove by this that Jesus is “the Father�?of the New Testament (Isa. 9:6-7). Ancient Hebrews and Greeks and other oriental people call anyone who is the originator of a custom, or who has some peculiarity or habit that distinguished him from others, the father of that custom, or the child of that habit. Thus, Satan is called “father of lies�?because he originated them (Jn. 8:44). Jabal is called “the father of tent dwellers�?because he originated that mode of life (Gen. 4:20-21). Abraham is called “the father of circumcision�?because it started with him (Rom. 4:12). God is called “the Father of mercies�?because He is merciful (2 Cor. 1:3). Men are called “children of disobedience�?and “children of wrath�?because they live in disobedience and are destined to wrath (Eph. 2:2-3. See also Mt. 9:15; 13:38; Lk. 16:8; Col. 3:6; 2 Sam. 7:10; Job 41:34).

The term “the everlasting Father�?literally means “the Father of eternity,�?“the planner of the ages,�?or “the giver of eternal life�?as in Jn. 3:15-18; 6:54, 68; 10:28; 14:6; 17:2-3; Rom. 5:21; 1 Jn. 1:2; 5:11. The Son is called this because He died to impart eternal life to others, and because it was through Him the Father of the New Testament planned the ages as well as gives eternal life. He is not the only person in the Godhead that could be called this, for both the Father and the Spirit also give life and had a part in the plan of God (Rom. 6:23; 1 Pet. 5:10; Jn. 3:15-18; 15:24, 26; 17:3; Rom. 8:2, 10-11; Gal. 6:8).

The reason the Son is called this in Isa. 9:6-7 is to state some marks of divinity in connection with the Son that was to be born, so that men would recognize that He is as much God in nature as are the Father and Spirit. If there had been no marks of divinity in the prophecies concerning the Son, no one would have taken Him as divine as they do God. The phrase “the everlasting Father�?does not prove that Jesus is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament. All three persons in the Godhead, by virtue of being God, can all be called “the everlasting Father�?or “giver of eternal life,�?for this term has nothing to do with “Fatherhood�?and “begetting�?of a child, but to the peculiar idiomatic usage as stated above. All three persons could not be “the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,�?for only one could be the Son and only one could be the Father, as we have already seen.

—God's Plan for Man

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To baptize in the name of Jesus only in preference to the authorization given in Mt. 28:19 upon the basis of mere inference that because all three names are not used in Acts they are not to be used, is subject to the judgment of God. Cannot Mt. 28:19 be obeyed as well as Acts? We could not obey both if we followed some sects, but we can and we must obey both if we obey God, for both Matthew and Acts are the Word of God, and both must be obeyed (2 Tim. 3:16-17). Anyone obeying Mt. 28:19 automatically obeys Acts, but to interpret and obey Acts to mean that we should baptize in the name of Jesus only, is to disobey Mt. 28:19. In other words, in baptizing by the authority of the three in Mt. 28:19, we automatically obey Acts, but if we baptize by the authority of Jesus only we dishonor the other two in Mt. 28:19 and we become direct transgressors of Mt. 28:19. Obeying Acts and disobeying Mt. 28:19 is not excusable to intelligent people. Even if we were to obey Acts only as the true mode of baptism, then which passage in Acts shall we take as the true baptism formula, for all passages differ in wording?

Tweety, there is no truth in this. Anyone obeying Mt 28:19 is not obeying Acts 2:38. sHOW ME ONE SCRIPTURE that the apostles baptizes using Father, Son and Holy Ghost. No what, it is not there.

You or Dake, neither one can show a scripture, where they used Father, Son and Holy Ghost as a mean of baptizing. Why are you so against this great truth? You had better quit fighting against the baptism in Jesus name and aceept it and get yourself baptized in the precious name of JESUS CHRIST for the remisssion of sin and received the gift of the Holu Gost.

There is not another name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved neither is there salvation in any other name. Why is this so hard to accept? What ever you do in word or deed, do it in the precious name of Jesus.

Amen to that Larry. I have told her. I think I may have gotten too strong a while ago on the phone. But she knows, I hope, that i mean her no harm but only good.

To see someone twist Scripture as Dake does is bad, bad stuff.

I have gotten a call from my boss to go work for this weekend, starting here in a couple or hours. So unless I can find a signal for my laptop, I will not be here for a while.

Hope all goes well. Read my new message, Is Baptism essential to salvation. It is very good.

bye for now. I gotta finish getting ready to go to work.

Dake keeps talking about those 'three' 'person's in a Godhead. wonder what Scripture he could back that twist up with? I certainly know of none.

Tweety, you say he gives plenty of Scripture for everything he says......so I want to what Scripture he gives for these supposedly three persons.

btw, my boss just called and said I do not have to go to work after all......the lady needs a nurse, not a care-giver. I am really glad, and I felt it was going to happen. already got my stuff ready to go.

Rachel and I walked two miles last night. so guess we can go again tonight, now.

In Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5 we have emphasis given to the authority of Jesus, who is only one of the three persons of the Godhead, for it was His authority only that was being rejected by the Jews at that time. They did not question the authority of the Father or the Spirit, for they believed and accepted their authority, but to accept the authority of Jesus as they did that of God was another thing entirely. The apostles as described in the book of Acts merely demanded that the Jews accept the name of Jesus and be baptized, saved, healed and do other things authorized in the name of Jesus, or by His authority, but in no passage do they reject or change Mt. 28:19 and say in the name of Jesus only. There is not one place in Scripture where they demand of the Jews to accept Jesus as the only God and the only authority, but they were commanded to accept Him like they did God. [Dake]

Acts 10:48 was strictly to GENTILES. yet they were under the very same command.....be water baptized in the name of Jesus. what you gonna do with this one?

We need to talk about Acts 2. All of it! Tweety

Acts 2:1 (KJV)
^2:1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

What do you think this one verse means? What is the day of Pentecost? Who celebrates Pentecosts?

Tweety.

To the best of my understanding, now, not doing any research, but just what I remember reading....in the OT shadows, under Moses, they had a Land Rest, or Sabbath. It occured every seven years.

They were to not sow the land or work it, every seventh year. Then they were to count seven times seven of these sevens of years. That brings in 49 years. On the day after that 49th year, it was to be the Jubilee.

This jubilee was to be the freedom year for everyone. It always fell on the 50th day. This is Pentecost. 50. It means a new beginning.

On this jubilee, they were to set every slave free. Everyone was to be set free on this day of Jubilee, or Pentecost. this is not the entire story, but my finger hurts too much right now to go into it all.

Study those sabbaths in the books of Moses and you will see this. Later, I will try to do more on it, if you want.

But see my message on Rejecting the Jubilee. Think it is on the Women's board. It is about this subject, and the freeing of all slaves and WOMEN.

On the real Day of Pentecost, everyone was set free, by Jesus. The women were brought into their rightful place as EQUALS with men, or true ministers of God, as He intended all the time.

But look at how almost all men still reject this Jubilee, or the true Pentecost. for that matter, so do most women. But on this day of Pentecost, the Holy Ghost filled women and men, bringing them into the true and only ONENESS OF GOD.

I don't get it. Being Baptized in the name of Jesus is the same as saying you are baptized in the name of the "Son of God". Jesus is the Son of God so Matthew 28:19 is talking about the same NAME. Mr Dake is right..both verses are in Scripture.

I don't think there is any difference...Tweety

Dovey, dear, you surely don't understand any Scripture. That is your problem.

You have absolutely no revelation from God. This is your problem. You truly need to start praying, with an honest heart for God to give you some understanding. I am not coming against you in saying this.....truly trying to help you.

I told another member here, while back, that she needed to pray for a spiritual mind, trying to help her....but she took offense and off she went, probably still wondering around in her darkened, worldly mind, thinking it it of God.

People who cannot receive instruction and admonition, will never make it.

I have a message in here, on the Baptism board, which fully explains this matter. If you truly care to see some truth, read, Why we baptize in the name of Jesus Christ.

Neither Dake nor Tweety understand this matter. She is too caught up in Dake right now, as you are in the adventist move, to let God show you his true revelation.

HOpe you both someday get into the truth of God. At least Tweety is studying and reading and trying to find truth.

I do not know if you are or not. Have not seen any evidence yet, that you are.

Certainly both scriptures are God's Word, and all the Apostles knew it.....so why did they baptize in the Name of Jesus ---only? Well there certainly is a very good reason, and the reason it is the ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT AND NOT CROSS BOTH GOD AND JESUS.

So you truly need to get this revelation of truth.

Surely you know that there is not one single instance recorded in the Word of God where anyone baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?

If you think there is, please show it to me. Do you think that none of the Scripture writters and apostles knew the truth?

But this is blind to you the same as the clear fact that Jesus was NOT TRYING TO KEEP ANY 4TH COMMANDMENT. IF HE HAD BEEN, HE WOULD HAVE STAYED IN HIS HOME, AND NOT WENT OUT THE DOOR OR DID ANY WORK ON THAT DAY, ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD.

At least you need to see that these things cannot come together in perfection ACCORDING TO HOW YOU NOW BELIEVE IT.

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