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| | From:  Tweety134 (Original Message) | Sent: 7/17/2007 11:41 PM |
I am starting this discussion to show people that read this that God is speaking to Jesus, not Ezekiel. When I read it-that is what came to mind. Do you see it? This is just a few verses. And we will go slow and discuss each verse. Tweety EZE 2:1 And he said unto me, SON OF MAN, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee. EZE 2:3 And he said unto me, SON OF MAN, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day. EZE 2:6 And thou, SON OF MAN, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. EZE 2:8 But thou, SON OF MAN, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee. EZE 3:1 Moreover he said unto me, SON OF MAN, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel. EZE 3:3 And he said unto me, SON OF MAN, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. |
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Now, please show me the word, Satan, in Eze. 28. I have not read that there. and I have surely read that chapter so many times I could not count them. It is not there. God said this one was a created MAN, who had been in the Garden of Eden, and in | I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness. |
That is still speaking of the same one. I have driven him out (of that garden) for his wickedness. Now the only man, whom God ever created, and who was also in the Garden of Eden, and was driven out is ADAM. But you are right. Adam is Satan, the old serpent. |
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Here is part of that Isa. 9:6 message. I have sent the full message back to the top of the all-topics. Also it is on the Jesus-only board. But here is part of it. ~ Isaiah 9:6 Explained ~
Today is Tuesday, 7/11/05. The Scripture in Isaiah 9:6 has been so misunderstood and false teachings from this verse have misled many people into believing that Jesus is the Holy Father and all there is to God. Since this theory crosses so many other verses, this could not be the true interpretation of this verse. So I will explain the truth which God revealed to me concerning this verse.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Now in order to understand any Scripture in its truth, you must learn to read it exactly as it is given to us. Then you must seek for the true interpretation of the verse. You must seek the answers from other verses. You cannot accept stuff anyone just made up or tried to figure out how it goes to match their doctrine. This is how almost everyone interprets any Scripture. But Scripture must agree with all other Scripture. It cannot tell us one thing over here, and something different over there. It all has to agree. If what you think a verse is saying crosses another verse, then you have it wrong.
So read the above verse. Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given. Now almost everyone assumes this is speaking of the baby, Jesus. But this is NOT true. Was the government ever upon that babies�?shoulder? Was Jesus called the everlasting Father? No. Not one person who knew Jesus ever called him their Father. Check his entire life from birth till death. You will not find one single place where Jesus was ever in any place of ruling in government. Where did Jesus set up any government, and this government increase? It is just not listed as anything Jesus did in his lifetime. Did he not continually tell his disciples that his kingdom is not of this world? Sure he did.
Did Jesus say he came to earth to bring peace? Of course not. He said I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. So then how could he be the one it is speaking of when it said Of the increase of his peace, there shall be no end? Or of the increase of his government, there shall be no end? He died never having had any government, didn’t he? Of course he did.
Is there any scripture saying this child Mary birthed was the Mighty God? Of course not. He was not God. Jesus was a man, a human being. He was not God. He did not ever set up any government. He did not bring peace to earth. He never set upon the throne of David. He did none of these things. No one ever called him God, Prince of Peace, or everlasting Father. If you think they did, please show me that verse. It is not in the Word of God. They worshipped and served the creature more than the creator, who is blessed forever. |
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I work all weekend. So I will take this back up with you on Monday. There is plenty here for you to study. Open up your heart and your KJV and compare this with what is really said in the Word. Jesus was not the Word. God put the Word into the mouth of Jesus. He is the PROPHET whom God told Moses I will raise up a prophet, like unto you, and will put MY WORDS into his mouth. Jesus verified this when he said, The words I speak are NOT MINE, BUT THE FATHER'S WHO SENT ME. So the message which Jesus spoke to us, is the MEAT, or flesh, which we must EAT, in order to have eternal life. it is not his human body. that is not the flesh which the Word was made into. Read John six. The Word was made SPIRITUAL FLESH, for us to EAT. It came out of the mouth of Jesus. Jesus ate this same flesh, the Word of God. |
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| | | From: epe1129 | Sent: 10/6/2007 8:25 AM |
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Jo Duely
noted, I read that it was after jesus was thirty that He changed the water to
wine, I just never thought it out before and confused it with speaking to the
doctors etc. O and never thought about Jesus speaking in an unknown tongue, but
the apostle knew it and likely others as well. I'd like to see your
interpretation of John 1:1-14. You ar right, the word (name) Satan is not in
Ez.28, neither is Adam, but rather the king of Tyre. Notice that he was clothed
with every precious stone, was the anonted cherub, walked among the stones of
fire, etc. Was Adam any of these things? I trow not, but Satan,Lucifer was. Adam
was the old serpent? Satan? how would you figure that? Eve was not tempted by
Adam, Satan is called the Serpent, Dragon, Beast, viper, asp, but never Adam.
Come on, I can't accept that.
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| | | From: epe1129 | Sent: 10/6/2007 2:27 PM |
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freeborn551
I have read John six, and Jesus says He is the
bread from heaven. The bread symbolises the manna, and the shewbread. I agree,
but Jesus is called the WORD OF GOD ( Re.19:11) and Jn 1:1-3, Col.1:16-17. I
agree we don't eat His body, but we do in that we read and obey His
words.
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Good Morning, I have also read John 6. Funny that you mentioned that because me and Freeborn were talking about the WORD and FLESH. And I was trying to find the verse you mentioned. So what is Jesus saying here? John 6:31-35 (KJV)
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Moses DID NOT GIVE THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL THE TRUE BREAD. GOD GAVE THEM SOMETHING TO SATISFY THE HUNGER. BUT JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUE BREAD FROM HEAVEN. HE GAVE US THE WORD OF GOD. THE BREAD WE MAKE WITH FLOUR WATER, ETC. AND PUT IN AN OVEN IS BREAD (MAN MADE). BUT THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN IS NOT MAN MADE. SO DO YOU SEE HOW IN A WAY JESUS CHRIST SAID THAT MOSES DID NOT GIVE THEM THE TRUE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, BUT MOSES DID TELL THE PEOPLE ABOUT JESUS CHRIST. THEY KNEW HE WAS COMING AND THEY REJECTED HIM. THIS DAY THEY ARE REJECTED THE TRUE BREAD FROM HEAVEN THAT WILL GIVE THEM LIFE. Tweety
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| Jo Duely noted, I read that it was after jesus was thirty that He changed the water to wine, I just never thought it out before and confused it with speaking to the doctors etc. O and never thought about Jesus speaking in an unknown tongue, but the apostle knew it and likely others as well. I'd like to see your interpretation of John 1:1-14. You ar right, the word (name) Satan is not in Ez.28, neither is Adam, but rather the king of Tyre. Notice that he was clothed with every precious stone, was the anonted cherub, walked among the stones of fire, etc. Was Adam any of these things? I trow not, but Satan,Lucifer was. Adam was the old serpent? Satan? how would you figure that? Eve was not tempted by Adam, Satan is called the Serpent, Dragon, Beast, viper, asp, but never Adam. Come on, I can't accept that. epe1129 |
Learn to let Scripture be your interpreter. If not, you will find only confusion. So, who was the king of Tyre? Who was the prince of Tyre? If you say some earthly King, then show me how some earthly king fits all this description of the King of Tyre. what earthly king do you suppose was in the Garden of Eden? or clothed with every precious stone? or walked up and down among those stones? If you say it is Satan, how do you know? Where does the Word say that Satan was any of this? | Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: |
Look at this one verse. Deal with this one bit at a time. then we will deal with John one bit at a time. it is too much to take or do all at once. Learn here a little and there a little. God said to this prince, you say you are God, yet you are a MAN. Now is Satan a MAN? If so, which MAN? |
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| Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee. |
Who are the strangers who slay this King of Tyre? Has someone ever killed what you call Satan? if so, when and how? Notice here, again God said to him, You shalt be a MAN, and not God, in the had of him that slayeth thee. Who slew or slays him? |
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| Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. | | Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. | | Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. |
Now we see from those verses that this was a MAN who was CREATED. He was perfect when he was created, until INIQuITY was found in him. (and don't forget, sin entered this world by one MAN, ADAM. this also tells us that this created man had been in the Garden of Eden. Who fits this description? what earthly king? or satan? Are you thinking that God created Satan, as a man, and put him into the Garden of Eden? If so, where is your proof from written Scripture? |
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| By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire |
God said to this man, I will cast thee out of the mountain of God. Who did God cast out of Eden? | Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. | | So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. |
| Son of man, set thy face against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and prophesy against him, and against all Egypt: | | Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself. |
Now, here is trouble! We now see another 'king' coming into this discussion. Pharaoh, king of Egypt. But watch out! He is called the GREAT DRAGON. That is none other than old Satan. Yet we are speaking of Pharoah! | And I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and put my sword in his hand: but I will break Pharaoh's arms, and he shall groan before him with the groanings of a deadly wounded man |
Now, here we see that this Pharaoh is the one with the DEADLY WOUND. (catching on, yet?) | Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? | | Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. |
Now we have two earthly kings coming one. Pharaoh and the Assyrian. Watch: | The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. | | I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. |
Now, it is talking about these kings being trees in the Garden of Eden. One of them lifted himself up high above all the others and caused envy and jealousy........in the garden of God. | I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness. |
Now here God goes right back to his first statement, I will cast him out of the garden of God. I HAVE DRIVEN HIM OUT FOR HIS WICKEDNESS. WHO? FIND WHO GOD DROVE OUT OF EDEN, AND WHEN YOU FIND THAT ANSWER, YOU WILL FIND THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THESE VERSES......ALL THESE KINGS....WERE THE VERY SAME ONE.....ADAM. |
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Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying , Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; Now take note of this. It is dealing with another king, the king of Babylon. Yet it shows that this MAN is Lucifer. Yes. It shows that this king is the very same one who says I will be like the most HIGH. I am god. I will EXALT my throne above the stars of God. See? Same thing he had said in Eze. 28, 29, 30, and 31. I will exalt myself. I am god. Yet you are just a MAN. You will be brought down to the sides of the PIT, hell. The very same one who is chained up in Rev. 20, and cast into HELL. It is LUCIFER. It is Pharaoh. It is the Assyrian. It is the prince or king of Tyre. It is the anointed cherub. It is the son of the morning. It is the most beautiful and wisest one of God’s creation. He was a created MAN, who had been in the Garden of Eden, whom God cast out of Eden for his wickedness. It is the same one he put into the dust or ashes. Any clues yet? Anyone? |
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| | | From: epe1129 | Sent: 10/14/2007 3:45 PM |
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Not only did Jesus give us the Words of God, in Jn
1:1-14 we see that He is the Word of God Made into a man. When He (jesus) said
"I am the living bread which came down from heaven..." Jn 6:51, he was saying
truly that He was the Word made flesh. To eat this bread would mean then to read
and obey every word.
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 10/15/2007 2:23 PM |
Hello, epe1129. You are very close to the truth. Accepting man's interpretations of Scripture has led to all of this error. It is so close that only a divine revelation can seperate the error from the truth. You have it right when you said to EAT his flesh is to read and obey his word. But it actually means to come to UNDERSTAND THE WORD. many 'read' words, as such, just words, but do not have their understanding OPENED. See, we cannot eat the human body of Jesus or drink his human blood. So then don't you see that eating his FLESH has to mean something other than his human body? So then it proves that the Flesh, which the Word was made into, is not the human body of Jesus? It was God's word, speaking inside Jesus, saying, I am the living BREAD which came down from heaven, which a man must EAT to have eternal life. It was not THE MAN JESUS. It was God's WORD, which God had placed into the MOUTH of Jesus. Deut. 18. Almost everyone separated this as you did. But look a bit closer. You say that the Word was made flesh, then you take THAT to the human body, Jesus. But then you say to eat this BREAD, or spiritual flesh, is to read and obey the WORD. See? The Word is the flesh. The Word is the MEAT. It is not the human body which was born of woman and died on a cross. So the word was not made into a human being, Jesus. He gave us that Bread from heaven. He gave us that spiritual MEAT, OR FLESH. It was the Words he spoke. It was the Word, becoming a spiritual message, which we can now understand and become converted to righteousness. Jesus ate this WORD all his life, and therefore, that Word brought Jesus to the perfect image of God, transforming him into one WITH the Word, at his resurrection. There was no GLORY to the human man, Jesus. When we see him, there is not BEAUTY, OR GLORY, that we should desire him. Isa 53. That GLORY was at his resurrection. Then the Word and the Flesh became ONE. Jo |
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Hello Asif764, It is good to hear from you again. I pray all is well with you and the people you minister to. God bless you and greatly multiply your fruits in the Lord. There is so much great true teaching in our group. Please feel free to use any of it you wish. It belongs to God. It is his word, not ours. bless you, in Jesus name. Jo |
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