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| | From:  Sobeit33 (Original Message) | Sent: 2/27/2004 2:29 AM |
~ Many membered God ~ 1Cor.12: - Paul says that the body is many members. He explains that the members all have a different job in the body. But it is just one body. In Gal. he said we are all ONE. In John 17:20-24- Jesus prayed that we would all be ONE AS THEY ARE ONE. Now you need to study that. Quit believing these lies. How can we all be 1? It does not mean 1. It means unified. Paul said for us all to think, believe, and say the same thing. Jesus said Gentiles exercise lordship over others; but with you it shall not be so. For we are all on equal grounds; joint heirs with Christ-heirs of God -joint heirs with Christ. If they are the same how could that be? Now back to Cor.12:20-But now are they many members, yet but one body. V25-That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. That proves we are still different individuals; yet he said we are all ONE. V26-And whether one member suffer, ALL THE MEMBERS suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it.
Now THAT IS GLORY. I long for that. That, my beloved Christian friends, is what God's kingdom is like many members-yet all having the same care for one another. No jealousy, no envying, no tattling, no hatred, no hurting, nothing of that sort. Just love, pure love, total agreement. He said for us all to think the same thing. He said we will see eye to eye when he brings again Zion. He said he put the ministry in the church for the perfecting of the church TILL WE ALL COME INTO THE UNITY OF THE FAITH. That we all grow up into the fullness of Christ Jesus; into the statue of a PERFECT MAN. See, many members making up one perfect MAN-- Christ Jesus. V12-For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are ONE BODY; SO ALSO IS CHRIST. Christ is the IMAGE OF GOD. Now if this is the way Christ is (many members; yet one) and he is the image of God, then God is many members yet one. It couldn't be any plainer. All through the Word, from Gen 1 - Let US make man in our likeness and OUR- IMAGE. The word US and OUR are plural words, meaning more then 1. This is all through the word. God shows himself as a plural God. Three came and talked to Abraham, yet it was the Lord. There are too many names given for him. We once thought it was just showing different traits; but that is not the answer; it is more than one being. They are in perfect agreement and love for each other. That is their nature and ideal. That is their goal for us humans; to unite us the same way. So we will be in their image. When the Word said our God is one, it did not mean just 1 being. It meant just what I showed above many, in perfect agreement. I know this is new to you all. Therefore it will be hard to accept. But, look at it. This is what the Word really teaches. How could 3 be 1? If 3 can be one, then zillions can be one just as easily. It does not mean numbers; it is not talking about how many gods there is. It means their nature: agreement. Not lifting one above another. We do not think of them as more than one God; the whole thing is to see that they are considered to be one God. If you could believe that three could be one, why can't you believe that an innumerable host can be one? That is why God hates this division so much. He hates pride. That is what made Lucifer fall: he wanted to lift himself above the others. Eze. 28. God bless this to your understanding. Jo Smith |
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| | | From: Gblez11 | Sent: 4/19/2005 3:43 PM |
I dont know what 'version' of teh bible you are reading from but the lord was NOT the FATHERS 'representative' he was the EXPRESS IMAGE of the invisible God. That is alittle more than a representative. I as a child of God am an ambassador of CHRIST and in THAT context I can be said to speak in CHRIST STEAD. But that is NOT what the Lord SAID OF himself. he said he was the GOOD seed that came down from heaven. That gives LIFE to the world. I as an ambassador of Christ have no authority to forgive sins that is Gods perogative as it was rightly recognised at the time. He had authority and proved it. For he was God. NOT his representative |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 4/20/2005 9:35 PM |
Hi Gblez11, it is good to hear from you again. Now I have never denied that there is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. What I am saying is just exactly what is recorded in the Written Word of God. The Father is a kingdom of Spirit. It is not human. The Son is a kingdom of flesh and bones as Jesus himself testified to still having AFTER his resurrection. This kingdom is NOT GOD. Jesus, as the one and only member of this human kingdom to ever please the Father in all things and never sinned, was elevated by God {Heb.one} to sit on the very throne of God in the very power and authority of God himself. In Heb. one, God spoke to his Son and called him God. But he also called himself God to Jesus. He told all humans and even angels to NOW worship His Son, and honour His Son even as we honour God. God, the Father, set Jesus, a human being, up to be our God. Therefore, Jesus in now our God and our Father. BUT, The Father is still the God of Jesus and the Father of Jesus. Jesus was only in the image of the invisible God AFTER HIS RESURRECTION. Romans 8, declares that he was made in the likness of SINFUL MAN, WHILE ON THIS EARTH. That is NOT GOD. This is so clearly taught in the Word of God, that only blindness by false teachings could cause someone to miss this. Jesus never one time declared himself to be God. The apostles never one time declared Jesus to be God. No one in the Written Word of God gave testimony as to believing that Jesus is God. They all said I believe that Jesus is the SON OF GOD. You will never find any other teaching written in the KING JAMES WORD, WHICH IS THE ONLY ONE I STUDY OR TEACH FROM. Trinity is of the devil. it is false teaching. God is A MANY-MEMBERED KINGDOM. Christ is also a MANY-MEMBERED KINGDOM. HUMAN IS A MANY-MEMBERED KINGDOM. This is how we are in their likeness. God cannot die. Jesus died. God has no Mother or Father. Jesus had both. God has no beginning or ending. Jesus had both. He told Pilot to this END WAS I BORN. Study the Word. In it you will find truth IF YOU ARE OPEN TO LET GOD TEACH YOU. Jo |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 4/20/2005 9:48 PM |
I had not read the entire thread when I wrote the above answer. I had forgotten most of what is written in this thread. I see now you were speaking to someone else about the 'representative' of God part. I agree that this is not taught in the Word. Jesus was not sent to be a 'representative' of God. I think it is the Jehovah's witnesses which teach this. Notice that Jesus prayed that we all may be ONE AS = [SAME WAY] He and the Father are ONE. Now if you think this 'one' means they are just - 1 - person, then you must think that we are all going to someday become just - 1 - person? If God is -3- people, are we all [millions] going to become - 3 - people? See? He said we would all be ONE AS THEY ARE ONE. So this cannot possible be meaning 'how many'. It has nothing to do with HOW MANY beings are in God. It is speaking of being in a UNITY. Paul said WE ARE ALL ONE. Does this mean all Christians are just - 1 - person? Of course not. So neither is God just - 1 - person nor just - 3 - people. This is -plain foolish reasoning by false teachings. Grow up in understanding. As the BODY is only ONE [NOT MEANING - 1 - ] BODY, BUT MANY MEMBERS --- SO IS CHIRST----WHO IS THE---IMAGE----OF THE INVISIBLE, MANY-MEMBERED GOD. Jo |
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| | | From: Gblez11 | Sent: 4/26/2005 2:13 PM |
I would draw your atention to the fact that in the most HOLY OF HOLIES there is but the SON who is our high preist. Only the high priest is alowed to enter into the most HOLY SACNTURAY. NOT MANY. You say the scriptures tell us the way has been opened as the curtain that seperated us from His presence was torn thus signyfying thatw e may come boldly into His presence. Is GOD not STILL HOLY? It is IN Christ that we are ABLE to enter in. That unity that God speaks of is of the UNTIY OF THE BODY of Christ. which we if His are now hid and sealed in. As the body works and moves as ONE so should the BODY of Christ under the HEAD of Him who is THE SON. There is STILL only THREE persons of the GOD head not MANY. Thus it is IN Christ that we are reconciled to God. NOT OUT but PART. For your life is HID WITH CHRIST In God. in Christ gerald uk |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 4/26/2005 6:31 PM |
| I am glad to see you entering into the discussion. Now what you are saying is true, but it proves what I am saying. It is true that we are IN the body of Christ, baptized into the BODY, by the Holy Ghost. This makes us PART of the many-membered BODY of Christ, who is the image of the invisible God. Does not the Word say WE ARE MADE PRIESTS to God? Sure. We are members of that one Christ. Nothing in the Word, and nothing in nature teaches a God who is just 1, 2, or 3 beings. Not one single thing. ONE-- in the Word is speaking of perfect UNITY, Love and caring for each other. How could God be the very escence of such glory IF HE IS ALL ALONE, JUST 1 BEING? It could not be. God said both in the the OT, and the NT, that the things of God are clearly seen and understood by observing the things that are made = nature. Nothing out there is all alone. God is a KINGDOM of many members, all in perfect harmony and love. THIS IS THEIR GOAL FOR HUMANITY. We are to become ONE AS THEY ARE ONE. Does this mean we will become just 1 being? Of course not. Jesus is the head over this human kingdom. But he is under the headship of the Father kingdom of Spirit. Jesus is one of us. He is now set up on the throne of God by God. He was given the honour of being called our God. We are to worship God's Son as our God. But he is NOT GOD, AS SUCH. Jo |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 4/26/2005 6:35 PM |
There is STILL only THREE persons of the GOD head not MANY. [Gerald]
Everyone keeps speaking this statement, but I am yet to see anyone quote a verse of Scripture saying this. Now if you know of one, please give it to me. I have asked and asked someone to prove this statement from the Word of God. No one ever does. Where is it WRITTEN? Jo |
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I think Paul explains the many member kingdom very good in 1 Cor. that has already been stated. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles,whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, Ok, he said that Christ is a many membered kingdom here, so if Christ is a many menber kingdom so is God. You can not limit God to just 1,2,3. So if Christ is a many membered kingdom so is God because Jesus Christ is the is the image of the invisible God. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 4/27/2005 1:51 AM |
Larry, that is so true. People are so 'in prison' to false doctrine, handed down for hundreds and hundreds of years. If they would learn to pray and seek for truth and ask God to reveal himself, they could find this glory. I pray continually for God to reveal truth and himself to me. He has done it so many times. That is why He showed me this 'unknown' truth of His glory. If only people could just stop trying to prove the Catholic church's lies, and seek for God's truth, they could find the glory. Like the name, Yeshuer [ or ever how they spell it]. I felt it in my spirit all the time; but now God has revealed it to me.........this is a name for the OT god, Satan. People, you all need to be very careful of this matter and listening to the fever pitch screems of unbelievers claiming to have some special truth which does not fit the Word of god. this name is a name of Satan. You are ignorantly worshipping Satan proclaiming these fake names. |
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| | | From: Gblez11 | Sent: 5/2/2005 3:20 PM |
Scriptures never encourage us nor teach to use' proof texts' but rather the pattern is to use a BIBLICAL argument that utilises enough of scripture rightly divided to prove or test a doctrin. For" God in sundry times and indivers WAYS spoke by the prophets.." Thus what was spoken of perfetcly by His Son was first spoken of in PARTS by the prophets and in types and shadows, The NATURE of the trinity thereofre cannot be undrstood by carnal minds. but by spiritual Someone here as said that God is a many membered God. This is NOT what the scriptures teach. God is GOD.and beside HIM there is NO OTHER. THAT ahs to be established in thne mind first and so DID GOD first TEACH! The burnign bush that moses saw was STILL a BUSH it had NOT become God! Yet the fire that seem to burn it yet not consume it was STILL the fire. it was NOT the bush. God spoke from the midst of the BUSH but the BUSH had no voice of its own. and albeit it carried as it were the message it was NOT the message! But what do we hear about the Lord? He was the WORD made flesh. Who was WITH God and WAS God. Only the SON (the WORD) and the FATHER have life IN THEMSELVES. You or I if we are His have NO LIFE in ourselves but it is DERIVED from God who si the author and giver of life. How then is it thought that I albeit a child of God has life in myself ? and therefore God as a 'member' of God? The one who repsonded to my post as to there being only ONE able to enter into the most HOLY PLACE is THE Son. Missed the whole point . We are DEAD yet we live yet it is NOT I but CHRIST that liveth in me. I am DEAD in Christ and I LIVE in Christ. being part of the BODY of the FATHERS Son. I am NOT IN MYSELF in anyway of myself a part of God as the WORD is. But my life is HID in Christ IN GOD. iM NOWHERE TO BE SEEN! as it were. For although I live yet it is not I but Christ that liveth in me. At the Lords baptism inot His death He arose out of the WATERS the SON baptised of the HOLY SPIRIT in the form of the dove and given witness and aproval by the FATHER who spoke from HEAVEN. "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" You have there a VISIBLE MANIFESTION of the trinity of God. The nature and character of the trinity and thier working as ONE. That is as it has ALWAYS been how it is and ALWAYS will be. in Christ gerald uk
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| | | From: Gblez11 | Sent: 5/2/2005 3:26 PM |
This is both ilogical and self defeating. For by the same reasoning it can be said of your own argument. For what you decry in others as to thier revaltion you ahve by your own put forth another! You ahve made assertions based on ROMES assertions. But I neither go to rome not to any specila revalation bu the Word of God. You cannot thereofre deny JEHOVAS name (english translation of a HEBREW WORD) just becasue say jehova witnesses have perverted the name to thier own use. I do not intend to enter into thse discussions because though they proclaim a true foundation they seem more inline with another. The foundation for this argumement has no basis yet given any way. in Christ gerald uk |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/2/2005 10:01 PM |
Only the SON (the WORD) and the FATHER have life IN THEMSELVES.[Gerald]
Jesus said as the Father has life in himself, so has HE -- GIVEN-- to the Son to have life in himself. The Son did not have this 'life' in himself, anymore than we do, for the Son was fully human. He was not God. He was not the Word. This is twisting the Word of God by not correctly reading it as it is written. Most people read it with their own preconcieved ideas. Trinity is not a true teaching. It came only from pagan gods. Just because the Word says God is ONE, does NOT IMPLY THAT THIS MEANS ONLY 1 PERSON. The word ONE here is not speaking of how many. It is speaking of a unity between all the members of the FATHER KINGDOM. The word Father does not mean a human father as our Dad was to us. It does not mean 1 man. It means the Father is a Spiritual kingdom, which is a higher form of life than we are. The 'SON' kingdom is human beings. This kingdom is headed up by either Satan, which is Adam, or it is headed up by Jesus, the Holy Son of God. One son is evil, the other is holy BECAUSE HE OBEYED IN ALL THINGS THE FATHER. He never did his own will at any time. Not one thing in nature shows a god who consists of just 1 member. Neither does anything in nature show a god who consists of 3 members. It is false as can be. Everything in nature shows the true God, who is made up many [innumerable] members. God revealed this to me and He also revealed to me that Yahsuer is a name of Satan, just as Baal is. It is all Adam. Now you just believe whatever you wish. I will stay with what My God reveals to me, for He has never one time shown me something which does NOT FIT THE WORD OF GOD PERFECTLY. There is only one way to PROVE A THING, AND THAT IS TO SHOW IT IS WRITTEN IN THE WORD. Jesus said it is WRITTEN. God said to prove all things. You need to prove a thing or you do not know if it is true or not. I asked God to prove the many-membered God to me and He showed me 1Cor. 12 and Romans 12. No one has yet shown a Scripture saying God is three persons. It is just not there. Father, is a kingdom of spirit. There are so many truths which God has revealed out of the Scripture to me. But because people are already so indroctrinated with all these lies, they cannot accept something different. So be it. I am saying what the Word of God says, so that is good enough for me. Jo |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/2/2005 10:08 PM |
You cannot thereofre deny JEHOVAS name (english translation of a HEBREW WORD) just becasue say[Gerald]
Jehovah is WRITTEN in the Word of God. Yahsuer, or none of the other spellings of this fake name, is not WRITTEN in the Word of God. I care not what the Jehovah'w wittnesses say, it has not one thing to do with it. It is a true Scriptural name. Yahsuer is not a true Scriptural name. Hebrew has not one thing to do with it. It is just not given by God. The ones who screem and uphold this name do NOT KNOW THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD. THEY ARE ALL BOUND BY THE LAW. THEY ARE NOT INTO GOD'S LIBERTY OR TRUTH. THEY ARE ALL SERVANTS OF THE BONDAGE OF LAW. God is not revealing himself to them, for if he were, they would be upholding Acts 2, God's chosen way of salvation. They all deny the baptism of the Holy Ghost and correct water Baptism. They all think you must go by OT laws. They refuse the gifts of the Spirit and scoff at speaking in tongues. None of these fake name folks are into NT salvation. So I say they know not God or His Name. If they had NT salvation, they would preach GRACE, not LAW. Jo |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/3/2005 4:21 AM |
John 14: 14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Now, go back and read that again. It did not SAY THAT THE WORD IS JESUS. JESUS IS NOT THE WORD. It did not say Jesus was in the beginning with God. It said the Word was. Rev. 3: 14. And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Jesus was the beginning. He said so himself. He was the beginning of a new creation of God..that of creating men into the likeness of God = glorified. In Jesus was the Word. In the beginning. In Jesus. In Jesus was the Word. |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/3/2005 4:29 AM |
Isa. 52:13---Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. 14---As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:... Isa. 53---Tells us that Jesus, God’s servant, came here as a ‘sheep�? as an offering for sin, that he was smitten and striken of God. How do you connect this 'SERVANT' of God as being God? How is he equal to God when he is God's servant? How is he God? How is he a second person in a god-head? This clearly says Jesus is God's servant. Do you accept this? Is this servant the Word of God? No! Did man kill the Word of God? No! People, you truly need to get into the Word of God and STUDY, if you desire to be approved by God. Rightly divide the Word. Interpret it with the Scriptures........else you will lose your soul.......for not receiving a love for truth. |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 5/3/2005 4:42 AM |
T-H-I-N-K-- Do you people, all of you, truly believe that up in Heaven, the abode of God, [how big you suppose it is?] yet, in this great big Heaven, there is only --1-- person-----there all alone---dwelling all alone----in this great Heaven---he has no equal to converse with----no one to fellowship with----to love and be in harmony with-----he is all alone........[how empty; how lonesome he must feel]\\\ OR--- Do you THINK in this great big Heaven,,,,there are three people walking around......no one else is there,,,,,,just three people,,,,,,,,who consider themselves to be one and the same God........Father sits up on a throne.......Son sits up on a throne beside Father.......there is no one else for them to do anything with......just the two of them......NOPE.......there is one other 'person?????' [wonder what kind of person the Holy Ghost is? man, woman...flesh, bones? blood? what?] anyway, there are three of them......[is the Holy Ghost also sitting on another throne? Three big chairs sitting there in a row.......side by side....forever, just sitting there with no one else in this great big world to converse with...... Now is this truly how you all believe and see God to Be? My, my. such darkness! How you do BELITTLE GOD. |
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