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Found on another oneness board, written in trinity lingo... let us put this in Trinitarian lingo. The 3rd person, who in reality is the 1st person of the 2nd person; will be sent(assumably because he had no legs) by the 1st person or 2nd person (depending upon which statement of the confused 2nd person you wish to believe), in the 2nd persons name, who happened to come in the 1st person name. It seems the 2nd person and 3rd person disliked their own names(why is that?). The 3rd person proceeds from the 1st person, yet the 2nd person blew the 3rd person from his mouth onto the disciples, despite the fact that the 3rd person could not be present while the the 2nd person was near(do you suppose that the 1st person was fearful that the 2nd person would find out that the 3rd person is really the 1st person). Jesus said, Whom do men say that I am? And his disciples answered and said, Some say you are John the Baptist returned from the dead; others say Elias, or other of the old prophets. And Jesus answered and said, But whom do you say that I am? Peter answered and said, "Thou art one of three, the second person of a unexplainable mystery. Thou art a "who", that when combined with the other two "who's", thou art then a "what". Thou art the Logos, existing eternally as the 2nd person, though in the first person as first person's rationality and then, by an act of the first person's will, being generated, in consideration of the various functions by which the "what" is related to his creation, but only on the fact that Scripture speaks of a Father, and a Son, and a Holy Spirit, which shall cause thee to be greatly confused. Your Father is not your Father but the third person is your first person. Furthermore, thou shalt often think that thou art the other two, so thou must remember that each of you are coequal with the other god-person's, and each acting inseparably with and interpenetrating every other person, with only an economic subordination within the "what", but causing no division which would make the substance no longer simple. And Jesus answering, said, "What????"  |
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Sure, but what does God think? He THINKS what his WORD SAYS. That is HIS THOUGHTS. You have NOT been baptized into the body of Christ....and Mary is not the Mother of the begotten Son of God. So keep on guessing. So you think that God had a 'relationship' with Mary, a human woman, and she produced a god/man? Such blaspehmy. Your ignorance is building you up a very bad record with God, as you blaspheme his Word. No person who has been baptized into the body of Christ could blaspheme the Holy Ghost as you did in the 'tongue' thread. No man has the authority to baptize in the name of the Father, except Jesus christ only. You best run from those false teachers, of which you have now become one of them. false teachers of false things. denying the glorious NT Salvation of Jesus. |
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But, Dovey. You said that the son of God was in heaven before Jesus was born. So are you saying that Mary was the mother of that son of God, up in heaven, who created the world? How did she do that? (goodness, such total darkness). Your false teachers have taken this world into total lies and rebellion against God's truth. |
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Another attempt to Explain Rom 1:20. This is from Bishops Board. Tweety The Godhead Part One
The Godhead is a source of contention among believers. On one side
you have believers who say God is a trinity or a triune God. On the
other side you have believers that say God is one God not a trinity. (Rick). Yes. I have seen this explanation of the "Trinity" doctrine also. Are there 3 GODS? NO! There is only one GOD. And that GOD is a Spirit. (Jn 4:24). He is the Father. (1 Peter 1:2, 2 John 1:3). He is Jehovah (Ex.6:3, Psalm 83:13, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 26:4, Isaiah 42:8), Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9, Daniel 7:22), The God of all flesh (Jeremiah 32:27). There are many other Titles in the KJV scriptures that identify GOD the FATHER. AND THAT GOD THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT. What has confused alot of Biblical writers in trying to explain what the GODHEAD is, the problem is that they do not know what a spirit is, therefore they can not explain what a GODHEAD is. EVEN though GOD says that he has revealed it (Rom. 1:20). That is what you should be studying out first. I continue to study the doctrine of the Trinity. And at times I do find it hard to understand what I have learned by studying the Bible, because I have let my mind be confused with other explanations out there that I have seen. Moral of this story is: STICK WITH THE WORD OF GOD. NOT THE WORD OF MAN. (Tweety).
As a general rule I don't discuss the Godhead with believers because
I have difficulty condemning either side of the issue and I will
usually end up in contention to one degree or another with both
beliefs. (Rick)
God is NOT the AUTHOR OF CONFUSION.(1Cor.14:33). So why should man be confused? Man is confused about the WORD of GOD because they are confused and do not study the scriptures like Jesus said for us to do. (John 5:39).The scriptures teach the way of life and it is our duty to study them. Did not Timothy say that he knew the scriptures from when he was a child, and that studying scriptures daily would make one wise unto salvation? (2Tim. 3:15). I think that is what man should seek is Salvation, and not wrangling over what the GODHEAD is. Why worry and debate something that has already been revealed? And if we obey and follow Jesus like so many have claimed, we would be studying scriptures daily. Not flipping through once and awhile, reading a few verses here and there. Grabbing it when they get in trouble, and when the trouble has past, them throw HIS WORD to the side and follow the ways of the world again. Obeying GOD and HIS WORD IS until we take our last breath on this earth. That is what is wrong with the world today. (Tweety). This essay will explore scriptures pertaining to the Godhead
and exam what they say with a strict literal view of what these
scriptures mean. (Rick). I shall see if you do stick with the literal view of the Bible. (Tweety). I will start by stating what I do not believe.
I reject Oneness doctrine that believes that Jesus isn't God. (RICK). I want you to give me scripture for your support of belief that Jesus is GOD. My BIG question is when was JESUS GOD? And did Jesus ever claim to be GOD THE FATHER? (Tweety) This puts me at odds with many Oneness believers both Christian and
Messianic. (RICK). Why do you strive to please man and not GOD? For you can not serve GOD AND MAN (Luke 16:3) My question to you now is who do you serve? GOD or man? (Tweety) I reject Oneness doctrine that believes that Jesus is also
God the Father. (RICK). There are many scriptures in the Bible that prove that JESUS IS NOT GOD THE FATHER. Would you care to discuss these scriptures, proving that JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER? This would be clear to everyone if they read and truthfully discuss the scriptures daily like Jesus said. (Tweety). This puts me at odds with many Oneness Christians. I
reject Trinity doctrine that believes that the Godhead are three
individual Gods cooperating with each other. This puts me at odds
with many Trinity Christians. (Rick). Prove to me that , JESUS CHRIST, & The HOLY GHOST Do NOT DO THE WILL OF GOD the FATHER! Again you are stressing that you are displeasing man by telling us what denomination of religion that you are at odds with. Are you also at odds with GOD's WORD also? You say above that you rejected the Oneness doctrine that JESUS IS NOT GOD, and then you say that you reject that you reject the GODHEAD as being three separate individual GOD's cooperating with each other. What would the GODHEAD look like in the Bible if the HOLY GHOST and Jesus DID NOT cooperate with GOD THE FATHER or what GOD THE FATHER SAYS AND COMMANDED ?(Tweety).
I embrace a triune God who is one How is GOD TRIUNE? Do you know that man is also triune too? (Tweety) and I embrace a oneness God with a
triune nature. Nature? What is the Triune Nature of GOD? Are you serving 2 GODs or 1?(Tweety) From a Biblical standpoint triune God doctrine doesn't
work without a One God concept. From a Biblical standpoint a oneness
God doctrine doesn't work without a triune God concept. (Rick). There is only 1 GOD and that GOD IS A SPIRIT. (JOHN 4:24). (Tweety). If I am
forced to make a choice I will always choose to defend God's triune
revelation but make no mistake about it. I have a oneness God faith. How and when did GOD reveal to the WORLD his TRIUNE NATURE? Where in scripture did he do this? And if I am forced I will choose to obey GOD and HIS WORD. NOT MAN! You should also be the same way, if you claim to be born again. (Tweety).
The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are connected together in a
way that no three persons could ever be. (Rick)
Oh! Really? Could you explain why and how they are connected and yet separate? Perhaps you think they are being held together by some sort of super glue. Where do you draw your above conclusions from? The Bible or man's explanation from their imaginations of the GODHEAD? Man's explanations of GOD and HIS WORD has made GOD look like a mental patient that should be locked up forever, and not ruling this universe. What has this world become? (Tweety). All three are distinct and
all three are One Being. It's a concept that is hard for us to
understand. (Rick). If you obey and seek the knowledge of GOD, the concept will be made clear. Man has made it hard to understand. GOD is not the author of confusion. Man that lacks the knowledge of GOD's WORD because he does not study the scriptures like Jesus said to do, and to try and make up for the lack of studying scripture and not seeking GOD's knowledge, they has made GOD WORD so hard to understand, because they do not want to understand GOD's WORD until many have given up on GOD. That is a trick of Satan I think. (Tweety) It's easier for us to shrink the Big God into a smaller
oneness God or a smaller trinity God. (Rick) Yeah that is what the DEVIL wants! Shrink the HOLY GOD down to the level of sinful man. Take away HIS POWER & Glory! Snatch HIM FROM HIS HEAVENLY HOLY THRONE, AND BRING HIM DOWN TO OUR SINFUL LEVEL! Then we can understand HIM better. LORD FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. (Tweety) | |
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Talk about confused, scrambled up, jumbled up stuff. this is the height of it. Poor man. He has no idea who or what God is. why? Without the anointing of the HOLY GHOST, no one will ever be able to understand God's truth. If both of you would just go by what is written in Scripture, instead of trying to make some mans ideas fit into the the Scripture, you could come to understand the TRUTH. No Scripture speaks about any TRINITY. or any TRIUNE godhead. No Scripture teaches that Jesus was God, then came to earth as a human baby, or any such trashie doctrine. No Scripture REDUCES the Eternal God down to just 1, 2, or 3 people, beings, titles, or spirits. No Scripture uses even one TITLE FOR GOD. All of these things are LIES OF MAN. no wonder you are all confused and battle each other as children, slapping each other and jumping on each other, over nothing. JO |
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p.s. Tweety, btw, you can find some good stuff in Bishop's trash can. He TRASHED the best teachings on his board, some real good doctrine, because he hates truth and anyone who crosses his false teaching. all the man has is their twisted doctrine that the church is the Son . he got very mad at someone who was teaching the truth about tithing. guess bishop hates for anyone to find out that preachers are not entitile to a tenth of people's income. |
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wish some of those whom bishop trashed, would come here and help us. we rarely get anyone who has that much understanding. I truly think some of them has studied here some. that is good. it is what I want....to get others to teachings the real truth. may as well give it up for now. msn is too messed up to deal with. |
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More of Rick's Stuff. And my Biblical answers. Tweety God is a mystery. (Rick) Why should GOD be a mystery to man? I believe that is an excuse for man NOT TO STUDY GOD's WORD. Are you telling us not to study to show ourselves approved? (2 Tim.2:15) Is this your excuse for not studying GOD's WORD? Do you not want a clear knowledge of the WORD of GOD as a whole? By studying the WORD of GOD which is the Bible is not hard to understand. This should be not excuse for not studying GOD's WORD because people do not understand it. Preachers and writers have written big books and preached large sermons on everything about GOD and have made him incomprehensible and without reason. Did not Jesus say this? Matthew 22:29 (KJV) 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Is this what you have become? A fool and a slow of heart to believe the WORDS that Jesus Christ taught for 3 years and everything that the prophets had spoken? (Luke 24:25-27).Is what they taught not very simple for everyone to understand? The words that Christ spoke was and are simple to understand, but to believe them were and still are hard for man. Paul taught that by hearing the WORD of GOD was sufficient enough for one to believe. (Rom 10:11-18). Why are we not preaching the GOOD NEWS like Christ commanded us to? You will not find one place in scripture where Jesus Christ is preaching to the people about the GODHEAD. He had more important things to do, by preaching Repentance, Salvation, and how to live according to the WORD of GOD so that we may be have remission of our sins. No biblical writer has explained the Godhead and
there is very little written about it. (Rick) So you leave it up to man and not GOD to explain what he meant? Men that try to explain the GODHEAD are like what Peter said: (Tweety) 2 Peter 3:16-18 (KJV)
3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
The unlearned and unstable not only stumble at the so-called things which are hard to comprehend by some, they also twist the simple scriptures to their own destruction, not wanting to understand them. The error of the wicked is to twist the scriptures, to make them condone or excuse their lustful practices, thereby leading the Christian into error, and thus making them fall from their faith in GOD. (Tweety).
Most of what can be known
comes from what God says about Himself. (Rick). And can we just leave it at that? (Tweety). God says he is One but yet he
reveals Himself as three. (Rick) Did he not reveal HIMSELF THROUGH CHRIST by the WORDS THAT CHRIST SPOKE? (Tweety). And did he not reveal HIMSELF by the POWER AND WORKS OF THE HOLY GHOST? (Tweety). What does the word "one" mean to you? (Tweety). And He has left us without the ability to
arrive at a definitive answer expecting us to believe what He has
said by faith. (Rick). From your above statement you do not believe the WORD of GOD at all. If GOD has said something, do you not believe HIM? Should I assume that a man that was born into sin when he came out of his mothers womb is a better preacher than Christ Himself? Your disbelief in the scriptures and what GOD has laid out in HIS WORD will only lead you to hell forever. What people need to do is make up their minds to obey and follow what is written instead of rebelling against it. This is one of the causes for the Bible being hard to understand. So the hard part is not believing with the mind what is said in the WORD of GOD, but actually obeying what is in the WORD of GOD. People must accept the Bible as GOD's WORD and forget man's interpretations and distortions of it. You must believe that GOD knows what He is talking about. And obey what He says. Again he is not crazy. (Tweety). You can prove God is One. You can prove God is triune.
But you cannot disprove either one and be honest about what the
scriptures say. It's a debate that never ends. (Rick). Can you be honest with scripture? Do you believe what you have been told by man or what the WORD OF GOD says? Are you trying to disprove something that is in the Bible?(Tweety) Neither side can win. (Rick). GOD's WORD will always win. (Tweety).
I see God this way. As man is a triune of mind, flesh and spirit. (Rick).
I see man as flesh, soul, spirit. And all of this is in 1 BODY. (Tweety)
The Father is the true God from whom comes the Word and the Holy
Spirit. (Rick).
Yes, the Father is the TRUE GOD. But what about Jesus? Where did he come from? (Tweety). The Father is a Spirit, the omnipotent, omniscient, and
omnipresent God of the universe and all other dimensions. (Rick). Can you explain to me a little bit more as to what a SPIRIT IS? (Tweety).
The Word is the physical, bodily manifestation of God and/or the
Angel of the Lord. (Rick). So you are telling me that the Angel of the LORD dwelt in JESUS. Did not GOD say this? Deuteronomy 18:18 (KJV) 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Was this not full-filled in Christ? (Tweety) Acts 3:22-26 (KJV) 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. John 5:45-47 (KJV)
5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
He is distinct from the Father(Rick) How is Jesus distinct from the Father? (Tweety) but yet He is also
the essence of the Father and is connected to Him as One Being in a
way that no two persons could ever be. (RICK) What did Jesus say about the Father while he was on earth? (Tweety) Does not the scriptures say that GOD was in Christ? (2 Cor. 5:9). (Tweety) Does not the scriptures say that Christ was in GOD? (Tweety) John 14:10-11 (KJV) 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. John 14:20 (KJV)
14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Does not the Bible say that Man is in Christ? (Tweety) 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Does not the Bible say that Christ is in Man? (Tweety) Romans 8:10 (KJV) 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Does not the Bible say proclaim man being in the Spirit, and the Spirit being in man? (Tweety) Romans 8:9 (KJV) 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. So what exactly do you mean when you say that Jesus and GOD are connected in a way three persons could ever be? (Tweety) | |
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Tweety, invite the poor man to come here. He seems to want truth, but is so confused he does not have any idea what is right or what to believe. If he truly wants truth, we can help him. The ones we cannot help is those, who, like you said, do not wish to believe what the Word of God really does say. You told him some deep wisdom here. Thanks for helping lead them to God. JO |
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Freeborn, Can you explain this a little bit more to me? I think is connects to the many memebered kingdom you were speaking about? Am I correct in my thinking that from reading this 1 Cor. 6:17. That all who are joined unto the LORD is One Spiirit, that means billions of people can believe and saved and be joined unto the LORD and all of us are now of 1 Sprirt? So can I say that we are now part of the GODHEAD? Because the GODHEAD is just the unity of GOD, JESUS HOLY GHOST joined unto GOD the FATHERS SPIRIT. Tweety |
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Absolutely, Tweety. People overlook that Jesus told US we are now the light of the world. He said, we are the SALT of the world. He said the saints shall just the world, even angels. He said we are a city set on a hill, giving out our light. He said we are the teachers of God's word. He said, the spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. That is why they think we who know truth cannot judge, yet we most certainly can, for we know the truth. We are in HIM and he is in us. He is in the Father, and the Father is in him. They are in us, and we are in them. works by the Holy Ghost, whom these adventist and other dead religions hate. Dovey thinks she has the holy SPIRIT. Tis a lie and no one can say they work by the Holy Spirit. We must have the HOLY GHOST. She and almost everyone else, says they are one and the same, but if this is true, why then do they hate the words, HOLY GHOST? cOULD NOT BE THE SAME, FOR WHY WOULD THEY HATE HOLY GHOST IF IT IS THE SAME AS HOLY SPIRIT. It would be like saying jo is jo, but I do not like saying jo, I would rather say jo. That is what she says. I do not like saying Holy Ghost, I like Holy Spirit, yet they are one and same! No wonder she thinks God wrote the first, dead covenant on her heart! If we are all joined as ONE, THAT IS MARRIAGE. See, it is the many -membered kingdom of Christ, which is also joined in marriage, to the many-membered kingdom of God. Now if there is just one member of God, there could only be one member of the human kingdom. for we must each have a matching Spirit from God to join us to him. It is just too much for these carnal minds, Tweety. Jo |
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The Word receives His Power,
His Authority, and His Instructions from the Father. The Father
dwells within the Word. (Rick) In a way I agree with this. The WORD is HIS POWER revealed to us. AND HIS WORD WAS SPOKEN BY CHRIST AND THE PROPHETS. And those WORDS that Christ spoke were of GOD. For Jesus Christ said: John 14:10-11 (KJV)
14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Did he not also say: John 7:16 (KJV)
7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. John 8:28 (KJV)
8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. In other words when they had crucified Jesus by lifting HIM up, ( John 3:14, & John 12:34) then they would know that he was the Son of Man, and by his resurrection and accession they would then know that he was the SON OF GOD.
John 8:47 (KJV)
8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 12:49-50 (KJV)
12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. John 14:10 (KJV)
14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:24 (KJV)
14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. John 17:8 (KJV)
17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. You will see from above scriptures that JESUS CHRIST said 7 times that the WORDS HE SPOKE WERE NOT HIS, BUT THE FATHERS. He also further showed proof that Christ was in union with the Father. Let me explain this a little further with scripture: The son can do nothing of Himself (John5:17). John 5:17 (KJV)
5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. God works on sabbaths as well as on other days in upholding the universe and running its infinite mechanism; He works in providence, watching over and caring for all creation of dependent creatures, so here Christ worked in healing on the sabbath, in providing food for he hungry, and performing acts of mercy and love. This is the true principle of sabbath observance if there is to be any recognition of one day above another (Rom. 14:5-6). We are not to rest in indolence or merely rest from physical and mental toil, but we are to follow the divine examples and "do good on the sabbath days" (Mt. 12:12; Mk. 2:27-28; 3:4; Lk. 6:9; 13:16; Jn. 7:22-23; Gal. 4:9-10; Col. 2:14-17). Jesus Christ was working the works that the Father gave hiim to do, and since the Father worked on the sabbaths, Jesus Christ was under orders to work on the Sabbath too. (Rev. Finis J. Dake). John 5:19 (KJV)
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Jesus Christ was limited in power and knowledge when he was here on earth in the flesh as proved in the following scriptures, so how could he be GOD the FATHER: Isaiah 11:2 (KJV)
11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isaiah 50:4 (KJV)
50:4 The Lord GOD hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the learned. Luke 2:40 (KJV)
2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Luke 2:52 (KJV)
2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. Matthew 11:25-27 (KJV)
11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Matthew 24:36 (KJV)
24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Acts 1:6-8 (KJV)
1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Revelation 1:1 (KJV)
1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: For anyone to think after reading the above scriptures that Jesus Christ while on earth was the Father God should be called a hypocrite. (Tweety) |
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That is a mighty good message, Tweety. You did a good job of getting those Scriptures together and PROVING what you said with quoted Scripture. When these lying adventist speak all their junk, with no scripture for it, it proves they have none. They do teach lies. This is espeically good: john 12: 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. see, the adventist say ffor they know.their law cannot give life....but see that Jesus said his COMMANDMENT IS LIFE EVERLASTING. So this proves is it not that law of moses.....for there was no life in it....so why stay there, when one could come into the New Commandment of Jesus christ and have life everlasting? They are so foolish. |
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Freeborn, Did you see the note that Rev. Dake gave for the scripture: I wonder how an adventist could explain away that statement. Tweety John 5:17 (KJV)
5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. God works on sabbaths as well as on other days in upholding the universe and running its infinite mechanism; He works in providence, watching over and caring for all creation of dependent creatures, so here Christ worked in healing on the sabbath, in providing food for he hungry, and performing acts of mercy and love. This is the true principle of sabbath observance if there is to be any recognition of one day above another (Rom. 14:5-6). We are not to rest in indolence or merely rest from physical and mental toil, but we are to follow the divine examples and "do good on the sabbath days" (Mt. 12:12; Mk. 2:27-28; 3:4; Lk. 6:9; 13:16; Jn. 7:22-23; Gal. 4:9-10; Col. 2:14-17). Jesus Christ was working the works that the Father gave hiim to do, and since the Father worked on the sabbaths, Jesus Christ was under orders to work on the Sabbath too. (Rev. Finis J. Dake). |
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Yes, Tweety. I did read that. But it proves one thing --- Jesus was NOT trying to keep the OT sabbath, or the 4th commandment. If anyone says this, they are in ignorance of the Word of God. If Jesus had been keeping that old law, he would have done as commanded by Moses, from God, to DO NOTHING. THAT IS THE ONLY LAW FOR THAT 4TH COMMANDMENT. THIS IS MY FIGHT WITH ADVENTIST,...THEY 'CLAIM' TO BE KEEPING IT.....BUT DO NOTHING WHICH MOSES GAVE AS THE WAY TO KEEP IT. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURE FOR GOING TO CHURCH ON SATURDAY, OR ANY OTHER DAY FOR THAT MATTER. IT IS NOT SABBATH KEEPING. |
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This is the true principle of sabbath observance if there is to be any recognition of one day above another [Dake]
No, Tweety, Here is the error of everyone that I know of. It is NOT SABBATH observance. There is absolutely no law saying this is how to do it. The ONLY law ever given, as to how to do it, is in Moses' writings. No where did he say go to the synagogue for observance, nor did he say heal the sick or do any other good work. He commanded them not to do ANY work. any, ANY, CAN any of you understand this? Where did anyone get the right to totally CHANGE WHAT MOSES SAID, BUT THEN CLAIM TO HAVE TO LIVE BY THE LAW GIVEN BY MOSES? Sure audasity! Such egotism, to think some 'cult' had the right to totally change the way of doing sabbath, BUT SCREAM AT THE WORLD THEY BETTER KEEP IT! It stinks to the high heavens. Now dake is trying to tell the world that Jesus was keeping sabbath by WORKING. It is lies of evil minds, trying to teach God's word, when God has not taught them or sent them. Now the same cult which says going to church on sat, is the right way of keeping or remembering sabbath, SCREAMS LOUD AND LONG THAT GOING TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST! Such lies! Such made up junk! There is absolutly not one single Scripture backing up this lie, yet they readily believe it! Proves to me they care not one thing about what God said about anything. all that matters to them is what their cult says. Dake was a cult himself! Anyone who changes God's Words is cultish. Jesus and his apostles, and the early church, assembled together each and every day. So they had the mark of the beast one day a week!!! such foolishness. It matters not which day a person goes to church. It has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH KEEPING SABBATH. Nor is it the mark of the beast. they did not seek the meaning in Scripture. nOW IF THE adventist sat all day in their house, not fixing food, or any other work, I would say fine. But to claim they are obeying this commandment, without doing one single thing which the commandment carries with it, is of the devil and total deception. They made up their own religion. I don't have time right now, but i want to come back in a while, and show you what the true Sabbath is and how to keep it, and why Jesus was not keeping the OT Sabbath. |
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